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    Post  Labrador on Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:33 pm

    George1 wrote:Some conflicting points, maybe AMCXXL could help

    With the last delivered in early September the total number was 111, so now should be 113 not 121-7=114 that article says.

    AMCXXL wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3334146.html
    The deployment of Su-34 to Chelyabinsk airbase has begun
    Three airplanes just landed in Chelyabinsk airfield.
    Of these three airplanes, Nº08 was already transferred to the VKS in May, and had been in Lípetsk until now.

    In addition also have arrived the Nº09 and the Nº10 that at the end of August were still in the factory of Novosibirsk, therefore in number of airplanes transferred to the VKS in September it is of 2, which raises to 111 the number of serial aircraft in service

    Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News - Page 31 87876d10

    Also i have counted 6 planes delivered for 2018, not 8. Maybe they count for 2018 the 2 planes in the framework of the state defense order of 2017 delivered in early January?

    AMCXXL wrote:
    George1 wrote:Sukhoi transferred a 1st batch of Su-34 aircraft to the Russia MoD in 2018. Aircraft took off from the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant V.P. Chkalov airport (Tolmachevo) & flew to the site of their deployment.

    http://www.sukhoi.org/news/company/?id=5954

    The Sukhoi Company has transferred the next generation of new serial front-line bombers Su-34

    Moscow, January 12, 2018. Today, the company "Sukhoi" transferred the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation the next batch of Su-34 front bombers in the framework of the state defense order of 2017 . The aircraft took off from the aerodrome of the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant. V.P. Chkalov and went to the site of his deployment



    This are the two "lost" airplanes of the plan of 2017 that are transferred with several days of delay. (the administrative act of acceptance of the product was in December within the term of the calendar year of whose planning they are part)
    Better not to make much case of bmpd that copy of Russian forums but copy wrong

    The No. 35 and No. 36 returned from Syria at the end of December, they are not the new airplanes handed over on November 18. There was a rotation of airplanes between those deployed in Syria




    With the last delivered in early September the total number was 111, so now should be 113 not 121-7=114 that article says.

    I think you don't include one lost to Voronej IIRC or damaged ? in this case 120 in service with pre-series dunno
    here at the end 121 delivered with 7 pre-series :

    Both transferred now to the 2nd bomber regiment of the Su-34 aircraft manufactured by the NAZ under a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense dated February 2012 for 92 such aircraft. With their delivery, the total number of aircraft of this type transferred to the VKS under the contract of 2012 reached 78 units. The first two Su-34s under this contract were transferred to Novosibirsk by the Russian Air Force on December 24, 2013, the next 18 aircraft - in 2014, another 18 aircraft - in 2015, 16 - in 2016, 16 - in 2017, and to the present time eight - in 2018. In total, in 2018, the delivery of 12 new Su-34 bombers is expected. The total number of Su-34s built under all contracts, including seven prototypes and pre-production samples, has now reached 121 units
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3382411.html
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    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:49 am

    Labrador wrote:
    George1 wrote:Some conflicting points, maybe AMCXXL could help

    With the last delivered in early September the total number was 111, so now should be 113 not 121-7=114 that article says.

    AMCXXL wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3334146.html
    The deployment of Su-34 to Chelyabinsk airbase has begun
    Three airplanes just landed in Chelyabinsk airfield.
    Of these three airplanes, Nº08 was already transferred to the VKS in May, and had been in Lípetsk until now.

    In addition also have arrived the Nº09 and the Nº10 that at the end of August were still in the factory of Novosibirsk, therefore in number of airplanes transferred to the VKS in September it is of 2, which raises to 111 the number of serial aircraft in service

    Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News - Page 31 87876d10

    Also i have counted 6 planes delivered for 2018, not 8. Maybe they count for 2018 the 2 planes in the framework of the state defense order of 2017 delivered in early January?

    AMCXXL wrote:
    George1 wrote:Sukhoi transferred a 1st batch of Su-34 aircraft to the Russia MoD in 2018. Aircraft took off from the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant V.P. Chkalov airport (Tolmachevo) & flew to the site of their deployment.

    http://www.sukhoi.org/news/company/?id=5954

    The Sukhoi Company has transferred the next generation of new serial front-line bombers Su-34

    Moscow, January 12, 2018. Today, the company "Sukhoi" transferred the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation the next batch of Su-34 front bombers in the framework of the state defense order of 2017 . The aircraft took off from the aerodrome of the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant. V.P. Chkalov and went to the site of his deployment



    This are the two "lost" airplanes of the plan of 2017 that are transferred with several days of delay. (the administrative act of acceptance of the product was in December within the term of the calendar year of whose planning they are part)
    Better not to make much case of bmpd that copy of Russian forums but copy wrong

    The No. 35 and No. 36 returned from Syria at the end of December, they are not the new airplanes handed over on November 18. There was a rotation of airplanes between those deployed in Syria




    With the last delivered in early September the total number was 111, so now should be 113 not 121-7=114 that article says.

    I think you don't include one lost to Voronej IIRC or damaged ? in this case 120 in service with pre-series dunno
    here at the end 121 delivered with 7 pre-series :

    Both transferred now to the 2nd bomber regiment of the Su-34 aircraft manufactured by the NAZ under a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense dated February 2012 for 92 such aircraft. With their delivery, the total number of aircraft of this type transferred to the VKS under the contract of 2012 reached 78 units. The first two Su-34s under this contract were transferred to Novosibirsk by the Russian Air Force on December 24, 2013, the next 18 aircraft - in 2014, another 18 aircraft - in 2015, 16 - in 2016, 16 - in 2017, and to the present time eight - in 2018. In total, in 2018, the delivery of 12 new Su-34 bombers is expected. The total number of Su-34s built under all contracts, including seven prototypes and pre-production samples, has now reached 121 units
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3382411.html


    The number of 121 is refered to the number of airframes built (T-10B-121 is the hukk number of the last machine)

    There are 113 serial Su-34 in service

    The other 7 are prototypes and also one airframe was built for static test in the begining of Su-34 program, in the USSR times
    Of the 7 prototypes, theorycally 2 are still in use by NAPO and one is used by the Vorónezh Aeronautical Engeniering University, the other 4 were decomisioned a lot of years ago
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    Post  Labrador on Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:25 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:
    Labrador wrote:
    George1 wrote:Some conflicting points, maybe AMCXXL could help

    With the last delivered in early September the total number was 111, so now should be 113 not 121-7=114 that article says.

    AMCXXL wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3334146.html
    The deployment of Su-34 to Chelyabinsk airbase has begun
    Three airplanes just landed in Chelyabinsk airfield.
    Of these three airplanes, Nº08 was already transferred to the VKS in May, and had been in Lípetsk until now.

    In addition also have arrived the Nº09 and the Nº10 that at the end of August were still in the factory of Novosibirsk, therefore in number of airplanes transferred to the VKS in September it is of 2, which raises to 111 the number of serial aircraft in service

    Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News - Page 31 87876d10

    Also i have counted 6 planes delivered for 2018, not 8. Maybe they count for 2018 the 2 planes in the framework of the state defense order of 2017 delivered in early January?

    AMCXXL wrote:
    George1 wrote:Sukhoi transferred a 1st batch of Su-34 aircraft to the Russia MoD in 2018. Aircraft took off from the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant V.P. Chkalov airport (Tolmachevo) & flew to the site of their deployment.

    http://www.sukhoi.org/news/company/?id=5954

    The Sukhoi Company has transferred the next generation of new serial front-line bombers Su-34

    Moscow, January 12, 2018. Today, the company "Sukhoi" transferred the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation the next batch of Su-34 front bombers in the framework of the state defense order of 2017 . The aircraft took off from the aerodrome of the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant. V.P. Chkalov and went to the site of his deployment



    This are the two "lost" airplanes of the plan of 2017 that are transferred with several days of delay. (the administrative act of acceptance of the product was in December within the term of the calendar year of whose planning they are part)
    Better not to make much case of bmpd that copy of Russian forums but copy wrong

    The No. 35 and No. 36 returned from Syria at the end of December, they are not the new airplanes handed over on November 18. There was a rotation of airplanes between those deployed in Syria




    With the last delivered in early September the total number was 111, so now should be 113 not 121-7=114 that article says.

    I think you don't include one lost to Voronej IIRC or damaged ? in this case 120 in service with pre-series dunno
    here at the end 121 delivered with 7 pre-series :

    Both transferred now to the 2nd bomber regiment of the Su-34 aircraft manufactured by the NAZ under a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense dated February 2012 for 92 such aircraft. With their delivery, the total number of aircraft of this type transferred to the VKS under the contract of 2012 reached 78 units. The first two Su-34s under this contract were transferred to Novosibirsk by the Russian Air Force on December 24, 2013, the next 18 aircraft - in 2014, another 18 aircraft - in 2015, 16 - in 2016, 16 - in 2017, and to the present time eight - in 2018. In total, in 2018, the delivery of 12 new Su-34 bombers is expected. The total number of Su-34s built under all contracts, including seven prototypes and pre-production samples, has now reached 121 units
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3382411.html


    The number of 121 is refered to the number of airframes built (T-10B-121 is the hukk number of the last machine)

    There are 113 serial Su-34 in service

    The other 7 are prototypes and also one airframe was built for static test in the begining of Su-34 program, in the USSR times
    Of the 7 prototypes, theorycally 2 are still in use by NAPO and one is used by the Vorónezh Aeronautical Engeniering University, the other 4  were decomisioned a lot of years ago
    oh ! thinking prototypes to Lipetsk and Aktoubinsk for flight and weapons tests 

    But this one from Voroneg damaged or very and repaired or lost ?

    And please how many birds to Lipetsk and Aktoubinsk ? i see here various numbers…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Су-34
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    Post  kumbor on Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:22 pm

    Labrador wrote:
    AMCXXL wrote:
    Labrador wrote:
    George1 wrote:Some conflicting points, maybe AMCXXL could help

    With the last delivered in early September the total number was 111, so now should be 113 not 121-7=114 that article says.

    AMCXXL wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3334146.html
    The deployment of Su-34 to Chelyabinsk airbase has begun
    Three airplanes just landed in Chelyabinsk airfield.
    Of these three airplanes, Nº08 was already transferred to the VKS in May, and had been in Lípetsk until now.

    In addition also have arrived the Nº09 and the Nº10 that at the end of August were still in the factory of Novosibirsk, therefore in number of airplanes transferred to the VKS in September it is of 2, which raises to 111 the number of serial aircraft in service

    Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News - Page 31 87876d10

    Also i have counted 6 planes delivered for 2018, not 8. Maybe they count for 2018 the 2 planes in the framework of the state defense order of 2017 delivered in early January?

    AMCXXL wrote:
    George1 wrote:Sukhoi transferred a 1st batch of Su-34 aircraft to the Russia MoD in 2018. Aircraft took off from the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant V.P. Chkalov airport (Tolmachevo) & flew to the site of their deployment.

    http://www.sukhoi.org/news/company/?id=5954

    The Sukhoi Company has transferred the next generation of new serial front-line bombers Su-34

    Moscow, January 12, 2018. Today, the company "Sukhoi" transferred the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation the next batch of Su-34 front bombers in the framework of the state defense order of 2017 . The aircraft took off from the aerodrome of the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant. V.P. Chkalov and went to the site of his deployment



    This are the two "lost" airplanes of the plan of 2017 that are transferred with several days of delay. (the administrative act of acceptance of the product was in December within the term of the calendar year of whose planning they are part)
    Better not to make much case of bmpd that copy of Russian forums but copy wrong

    The No. 35 and No. 36 returned from Syria at the end of December, they are not the new airplanes handed over on November 18. There was a rotation of airplanes between those deployed in Syria




    With the last delivered in early September the total number was 111, so now should be 113 not 121-7=114 that article says.

    I think you don't include one lost to Voronej IIRC or damaged ? in this case 120 in service with pre-series dunno
    here at the end 121 delivered with 7 pre-series :

    Both transferred now to the 2nd bomber regiment of the Su-34 aircraft manufactured by the NAZ under a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense dated February 2012 for 92 such aircraft. With their delivery, the total number of aircraft of this type transferred to the VKS under the contract of 2012 reached 78 units. The first two Su-34s under this contract were transferred to Novosibirsk by the Russian Air Force on December 24, 2013, the next 18 aircraft - in 2014, another 18 aircraft - in 2015, 16 - in 2016, 16 - in 2017, and to the present time eight - in 2018. In total, in 2018, the delivery of 12 new Su-34 bombers is expected. The total number of Su-34s built under all contracts, including seven prototypes and pre-production samples, has now reached 121 units
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3382411.html


    The number of 121 is refered to the number of airframes built (T-10B-121 is the hukk number of the last machine)

    There are 113 serial Su-34 in service

    The other 7 are prototypes and also one airframe was built for static test in the begining of Su-34 program, in the USSR times
    Of the 7 prototypes, theorycally 2 are still in use by NAPO and one is used by the Vorónezh Aeronautical Engeniering University, the other 4  were decomisioned a lot of years ago
    oh ! thinking prototypes to Lipetsk and Aktoubinsk for flight and weapons tests 

    But this one from Voroneg damaged or very and repaired or lost ?

    And please how many birds to Lipetsk and Aktoubinsk ? i see here various numbers…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Су-34
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    Post  kumbor on Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:27 pm

    kumbor wrote:
    Labrador wrote:
    AMCXXL wrote:
    Labrador wrote:
    George1 wrote:Some conflicting points, maybe AMCXXL could help

    With the last delivered in early September the total number was 111, so now should be 113 not 121-7=114 that article says.

    AMCXXL wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3334146.html
    The deployment of Su-34 to Chelyabinsk airbase has begun
    Three airplanes just landed in Chelyabinsk airfield.
    Of these three airplanes, Nº08 was already transferred to the VKS in May, and had been in Lípetsk until now.

    In addition also have arrived the Nº09 and the Nº10 that at the end of August were still in the factory of Novosibirsk, therefore in number of airplanes transferred to the VKS in September it is of 2, which raises to 111 the number of serial aircraft in service

    Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News - Page 31 87876d10

    Also i have counted 6 planes delivered for 2018, not 8. Maybe they count for 2018 the 2 planes in the framework of the state defense order of 2017 delivered in early January?

    AMCXXL wrote:
    George1 wrote:Sukhoi transferred a 1st batch of Su-34 aircraft to the Russia MoD in 2018. Aircraft took off from the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant V.P. Chkalov airport (Tolmachevo) & flew to the site of their deployment.

    http://www.sukhoi.org/news/company/?id=5954

    The Sukhoi Company has transferred the next generation of new serial front-line bombers Su-34

    Moscow, January 12, 2018. Today, the company "Sukhoi" transferred the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation the next batch of Su-34 front bombers in the framework of the state defense order of 2017 . The aircraft took off from the aerodrome of the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant. V.P. Chkalov and went to the site of his deployment



    This are the two "lost" airplanes of the plan of 2017 that are transferred with several days of delay. (the administrative act of acceptance of the product was in December within the term of the calendar year of whose planning they are part)
    Better not to make much case of bmpd that copy of Russian forums but copy wrong

    The No. 35 and No. 36 returned from Syria at the end of December, they are not the new airplanes handed over on November 18. There was a rotation of airplanes between those deployed in Syria




    With the last delivered in early September the total number was 111, so now should be 113 not 121-7=114 that article says.

    I think you don't include one lost to Voronej IIRC or damaged ? in this case 120 in service with pre-series dunno
    here at the end 121 delivered with 7 pre-series :

    Both transferred now to the 2nd bomber regiment of the Su-34 aircraft manufactured by the NAZ under a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense dated February 2012 for 92 such aircraft. With their delivery, the total number of aircraft of this type transferred to the VKS under the contract of 2012 reached 78 units. The first two Su-34s under this contract were transferred to Novosibirsk by the Russian Air Force on December 24, 2013, the next 18 aircraft - in 2014, another 18 aircraft - in 2015, 16 - in 2016, 16 - in 2017, and to the present time eight - in 2018. In total, in 2018, the delivery of 12 new Su-34 bombers is expected. The total number of Su-34s built under all contracts, including seven prototypes and pre-production samples, has now reached 121 units
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3382411.html


    The number of 121 is refered to the number of airframes built (T-10B-121 is the hukk number of the last machine)

    There are 113 serial Su-34 in service

    The other 7 are prototypes and also one airframe was built for static test in the begining of Su-34 program, in the USSR times
    Of the 7 prototypes, theorycally 2 are still in use by NAPO and one is used by the Vorónezh Aeronautical Engeniering University, the other 4  were decomisioned a lot of years ago
    oh ! thinking prototypes to Lipetsk and Aktoubinsk for flight and weapons tests 

    But this one from Voroneg damaged or very and repaired or lost ?

    And please how many birds to Lipetsk and Aktoubinsk ? i see here various numbers…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Су-34

    You are not obliged to know russian well to post on this forum, but, please, have in mind basic regulations of english transcription. Aktoubinsk, is Akhtoubinsk, and Voroneg is Voronezh
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    Post  Hole on Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:19 pm

    kumbor wrote:
    kumbor wrote:
    Labrador wrote:
    AMCXXL wrote:
    Labrador wrote:
    George1 wrote:Some conflicting points, maybe AMCXXL could help

    With the last delivered in early September the total number was 111, so now should be 113 not 121-7=114 that article says.

    AMCXXL wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3334146.html
    The deployment of Su-34 to Chelyabinsk airbase has begun
    Three airplanes just landed in Chelyabinsk airfield.
    Of these three airplanes, Nº08 was already transferred to the VKS in May, and had been in Lípetsk until now.

    In addition also have arrived the Nº09 and the Nº10 that at the end of August were still in the factory of Novosibirsk, therefore in number of airplanes transferred to the VKS in September it is of 2, which raises to 111 the number of serial aircraft in service

    Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News - Page 31 87876d10

    Also i have counted 6 planes delivered for 2018, not 8. Maybe they count for 2018 the 2 planes in the framework of the state defense order of 2017 delivered in early January?

    AMCXXL wrote:
    George1 wrote:Sukhoi transferred a 1st batch of Su-34 aircraft to the Russia MoD in 2018. Aircraft took off from the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant V.P. Chkalov airport (Tolmachevo) & flew to the site of their deployment.

    http://www.sukhoi.org/news/company/?id=5954

    The Sukhoi Company has transferred the next generation of new serial front-line bombers Su-34

    Moscow, January 12, 2018. Today, the company "Sukhoi" transferred the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation the next batch of Su-34 front bombers in the framework of the state defense order of 2017 . The aircraft took off from the aerodrome of the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant. V.P. Chkalov and went to the site of his deployment



    This are the two "lost" airplanes of the plan of 2017 that are transferred with several days of delay. (the administrative act of acceptance of the product was in December within the term of the calendar year of whose planning they are part)
    Better not to make much case of bmpd that copy of Russian forums but copy wrong

    The No. 35 and No. 36 returned from Syria at the end of December, they are not the new airplanes handed over on November 18. There was a rotation of airplanes between those deployed in Syria




    With the last delivered in early September the total number was 111, so now should be 113 not 121-7=114 that article says.

    I think you don't include one lost to Voronej IIRC or damaged ? in this case 120 in service with pre-series dunno
    here at the end 121 delivered with 7 pre-series :

    Both transferred now to the 2nd bomber regiment of the Su-34 aircraft manufactured by the NAZ under a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense dated February 2012 for 92 such aircraft. With their delivery, the total number of aircraft of this type transferred to the VKS under the contract of 2012 reached 78 units. The first two Su-34s under this contract were transferred to Novosibirsk by the Russian Air Force on December 24, 2013, the next 18 aircraft - in 2014, another 18 aircraft - in 2015, 16 - in 2016, 16 - in 2017, and to the present time eight - in 2018. In total, in 2018, the delivery of 12 new Su-34 bombers is expected. The total number of Su-34s built under all contracts, including seven prototypes and pre-production samples, has now reached 121 units
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3382411.html


    The number of 121 is refered to the number of airframes built (T-10B-121 is the hukk number of the last machine)

    There are 113 serial Su-34 in service

    The other 7 are prototypes and also one airframe was built for static test in the begining of Su-34 program, in the USSR times
    Of the 7 prototypes, theorycally 2 are still in use by NAPO and one is used by the Vorónezh Aeronautical Engeniering University, the other 4  were decomisioned a lot of years ago
    oh ! thinking prototypes to Lipetsk and Aktoubinsk for flight and weapons tests 

    But this one from Voroneg damaged or very and repaired or lost ?

    And please how many birds to Lipetsk and Aktoubinsk ? i see here various numbers…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Су-34

    You are not obliged to know russian well to post on this forum, but, please, have in mind basic regulations of  english transcription. Aktoubinsk, is Akhtoubinsk, and Voroneg is Voronezh

    Please stop quoting each other. lol!
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    Post  AMCXXL on Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:32 am

    Labrador wrote:
    oh ! thinking prototypes to Lipetsk and Aktoubinsk for flight and weapons tests 

    But this one from Voroneg damaged or very and repaired or lost ?

    And please how many birds to Lipetsk and Aktoubinsk ? i see here various numbers…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Су-34

    Russian Air Force does not opérate prototypes or singular aircrafts

    Lipestk and Akhubinsk units use serial aircrafts as the other Air Force units
    The prototypes are used by the manofacturer ,(Sukhoi in this case) for the development of Project and after that are stored

    In Akhtubinsk there are 4 Su-34 (01,03,34,35) and in Lipestk are 9 (02,09,10,12,14,15,16,17,18)that could be 10 when the damaged airplane will be restored at NAPO and returned to service
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:42 pm

    Please stop quoting each other.

    There is a forum rule against just quoting an entire post including quotes from previous posts in your replies.

    If you want to reply to a post and specifically want to refer to a piece of something someone has posted then by all means copy that piece and quote it, but don't repeat their entire post... it is just a waste of space...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:06 pm

    Russia Pursues ISR And Electronic Warfare Versions Of Su-34
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    Post  Isos on Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:35 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Russia Pursues ISR And Electronic Warfare Versions Of Su-34

    It already has EW version -> when it carries the big khabinyi pod between the engines.
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    Post  Hole on Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:08 am

    Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News - Page 31 000414
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    It is called Tarantul.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:25 am

    Hole wrote: It is called Tarantul.

    then this one is for web based Democrats' servers attacks

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    Post  Hole on Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:16 pm

    No, this guy is doing it.

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    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:08 pm

    Su-34 with six Kh-31.

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    Post  Hole on Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:29 pm

    and a friend.

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    Post  hoom on Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:07 am

    Oh censored, 6* Kh-31?!

    The other day UK put out some video of when HMS Duncan was hanging out just outside territorial waters off Sevastopol last year & they were shocked about being buzzed by 17 Russian planes (mostly Su-24 from the looks) basically saying 'fuck off'.
    The captain was like 'their tactics are pretty naive, they have 17 planes, we have 48 missiles, I think we'd win'

    I couldn't find explicit confirmation of how many Kh-31 an Su-24 carries but assuming 2* Kh-31 per Su-24 my thought was 'uh thats like 34 simultaneous supersonic missiles not including any ground launched ones, you really think you gonna survive that?' Suspect

    So even if a Type 45 can actually successfully hit 34* Kh-31s simultaneously with 1 missile each, it only takes a couple of Su-34s in that mix to bump it up over 48...
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    Post  Isos on Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:01 am

    hoom wrote:Oh censored, 6* Kh-31?!

    The other day UK put out some video of when HMS Duncan was hanging out just outside territorial waters off Sevastopol last year & they were shocked about being buzzed by 17 Russian planes (mostly Su-24 from the looks) basically saying 'fuck off'.
    The captain was like 'their tactics are pretty naive, they have 17 planes, we have 48 missiles, I think we'd win'

    I couldn't find explicit confirmation of how many Kh-31 an Su-24 carries but assuming 2* Kh-31 per Su-24 my thought was 'uh thats like 34 simultaneous supersonic missiles not including any ground launched ones, you really think you gonna survive that?'  Suspect

    So even if a Type 45 can actually successfully hit 34* Kh-31s simultaneously with 1 missile each, it only takes a couple of Su-34s in that mix to bump it up over 48...

    A) they were as much confident as now during malvinas war and lost many ship with their fabulous anti air missile against 4 jet and as much exocet ...

    B) a real attack would be done at low altitude and they will see the missiles coming at mach 3 just at 20km from the ship.

    C) su-24 carries kh-31. Even older su-17/22 can. The missile was specially designed for all soviet/russian jets. Su-34 is better than su-24 that's why they will carry them in priority.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:43 am

    Seawolf could shoot down artillery shells... there would be no way a missile like Exocet could get through... the British had that missile in service and could train against it if they wanted as well.

    Of course the Seawolf system didn't work when they were using satellite communications... because it interfered with the signal so they turned it off while receiving instructions from London... that is how the Sheffield was hit.

    And of course the Russians could use jammers and other methods to defeat enemy ships near their waters...

    BTW @ HOOM, what is the engagement range of those 48 British missiles?

    Would they outrange the 160km range Kh-31PD?

    I mean if it was a real attack from Russia they are hardly going to over fly the target in question...

    They could easily launch a mix of weapons including short based Onyx, as well as air launched Kh-35UE with a range of up to 260km or the Kh-59MK with a flight range of 285km...

    Of course a naval threat is more likely to be dealt with using a mach 4.5 Kh-32 from a Tu-22m3...

    I remember in the early 1980s when the British were trying to explain all the ship losses they incurred after being so confident that they would not lose any ships... the press release if I remember correctly stated that the problem was the sea skimming nature of the Exocet is the feature that made it so deadly, but rest assured that the Soviet navy has not got anything like the Exocet so the British navy is perfectly safe.

    Ironically 1982 was the year the Sovremenny class destroyers entered service with Moskit missiles flying at mach 2 at less than 7m flight altitude intended to penetrate the defences of AEGIS class cruisers of the time...
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    Post  Hole on Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:29 pm

    Aster 15: 30km
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    Post  hoom on Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:51 pm

    BTW @ HOOM, what is the engagement range of those 48 British missiles?
    Already answered, my point is its stupid for a ship with only 48 missiles to feel in any way confident near one of the better protected sections of a country whose main anti-ship tactic since forever is saturation supersonic seaskimming anti-ship missile strikes.
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    Post  marcellogo on Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:46 pm

    GarryB wrote:Seawolf could shoot down artillery shells... there would be no way a missile like Exocet could get through... the British had that missile in service and could train against it if they wanted as well.

    Of course the Seawolf system didn't work when they were using satellite communications... because it interfered with the signal so they turned it off while receiving instructions from London... that is how the Sheffield was hit.

    And of course the Russians could use jammers and other methods to defeat enemy ships near their waters...


    I remember in the early 1980s when the British were trying to explain all the ship losses they incurred after being so confident that they would not lose any ships... the press release if I remember correctly stated that the problem was the sea skimming nature of the Exocet is the feature that made it so deadly, but rest assured that the Soviet navy has not got anything like the Exocet so the British navy is perfectly safe.

    Ironically 1982 was the year the Sovremenny class destroyers entered service with Moskit missiles flying at mach 2 at less than 7m flight altitude intended to penetrate the defences of AEGIS class cruisers of the time...

    Seawolf on a Type 42 Destroyer? No No No
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:21 am

    The Argentines had Sea Dart and so they didn't expect them to use Exocet in a way that would allow the British to effectively use their Sea Dart missiles to defeat them, so they expected the Sea Wolf system to keep their ships safe.

    Have looked it up and the Sheffield was sunk will operating as a radar picket screen for the carrier, so it was unlikely to be the ship sunk because they were communicating with London.
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    Post  marcellogo on Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:01 am

    GarryB wrote:The Argentines had Sea Dart and so they didn't expect them to use Exocet in a way that would allow the British to effectively use their Sea Dart missiles to defeat them, so they expected the Sea Wolf system to keep their ships safe.

    Have looked it up and the Sheffield was sunk will operating as a radar picket screen for the carrier, so it was unlikely to be the ship sunk because they were communicating with London.
    Yes, still the point is that neither Type-42 nor Type 21 i.e. the ships damaged or sunk in the Falkland war carried Sea Wolf that were instead carried by Type-22, no one of which was targeted by an Exocet.
    First ones got Sea Dart, in a very low end arrangement unable to target more that one target at time, and the others had the already outclassed Sea Cat.
    Type-22 on the other side had an efficient anti air missile but carried no gun, just old 40mm Boford mounts, so every time they have to lend some fire support to the troops on ground they have to send two ships.
    MMI officers and gun crews still laughing about it...
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:04 am

    The amusing thing is that I don't remember reading about the Argentines launching more than one Exocet at one target in any of their attacks... the Soviets of course intended to launch as many missiles as they could from as many different platforms.

    Still laugh out loud when I remember one official speaking for the British Navy who was asked about the high loss rate of ships in the conflict stating that the Soviets didn't have anything like Exocet, so there was nothing to worry about... even at the time I remember thinking that was bullshit... and I had no access to any information about Soviet military equipment at that time (or since).
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:19 am

    GarryB wrote:The amusing thing is that I don't remember reading about the Argentines launching more than one Exocet at one target in any of their attacks... the Soviets of course intended to launch as many missiles as they could from as many different platforms.

    Still laugh out loud when I remember one official speaking for the British Navy who was asked about the high loss rate of ships in the conflict stating that the Soviets didn't have anything like Exocet, so there was nothing to worry about... even at the time I remember thinking that was bullshit... and I had no access to any information about Soviet military equipment at that time (or since).

    The Russkies also had 'swarm-drone' tactics with their missiles decades before it became a popular thing, which is still vastly superior to those that are now advertised currently. Those swarm drones that are advertised are literally orders of magnitude less lethal than what the USSR Navy had, but the current narrative is that the Federation is 'years behind in UAVs' Rolling Eyes . Off Topic Ironically one of the most advanced drones ever created in the 2010's (RQ-170) was defeated by the export variant of the antiquated Soviet-era ECM tech (Autobaza).

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