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    Post  Firebird on Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:55 pm

    To me, the Su-34 is an amazingly beautiful( and ofcourse deadly!) bird.
    To think, its 1st prototype flew way back in 1990.

    So much of the design( pylons excluded etc ofcourse) looks like a low RCS design.
    I wonder, if it hadn't have been for the dislocation asssociated with the USSR ending, how the design might have been modified.
    In other words, how far could it have evolved towards a full stealth aircraft?

    Thats not to criticise it. The Su-34 is a fantastic piece of engineering. For all the problems of the 1990s, Russia is still the envy of the World, with so much of its technology.
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    Post  TR1 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:21 pm

    I am not aware of Sukhoi actually trying to design the Su-34 with stealth in mind at all, certainly not in the major structural modifications from Su-27.
    Su-34 is going for stealth through active ECM on a massive scale.

    It will be interesting to see how far the new "stealth" CAS goes.

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    Post  Firebird on Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:22 pm

    TR1 wrote:I am not aware of Sukhoi actually trying to design the Su-34 with stealth in mind at all, certainly not in the major structural modifications from Su-27.
    Su-34 is going for stealth through active ECM on a massive scale.

    It will be interesting to see how far the new "stealth" CAS goes.

    You're correct ofcourse. But if you notice the shaping of much of it eg the curves on the front body, I think they've thought about RCS more so than other planes that began development at that time. I understand, the RCS is actually reasonably low for a non-stealth plane. Altho the pylons etc are counter-productive for this aim.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:10 am

    Su-34s stealth comes from flying very low and very fast at night in the worst weather.

    Its flight planning and on board electronics will be used to find a path to the target that does not overfly dangerous threats.

    Once SEAD ops have been completed it should be able to operate at medium altitudes with long range guided weapons mopping up targets and supporting ground forces.

    Stealth would just make it more expensive and dramatically limit its load capacity.


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    Post  George1 on Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:17 pm

    there has been almost a year since last su-34s were delivered for service. Isn't this too much time? why there is such a delay for the next batch?
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:27 am

    George1 wrote:there has been almost a year since last su-34s were delivered for service. Isn't this too much time? why there is such a delay for the next batch?

    They always make deliveries around new years.
    The entirety of this years batch will be handed over in December.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:32 am

    TR1 wrote:
    George1 wrote:there has been almost a year since last su-34s were delivered for service. Isn't this too much time? why there is such a delay for the next batch?

    They always make deliveries around new years.
    The entirety of this years batch will be handed over in December.

    10-12 aircraft?
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:44 am

    Hopefully the 10 is reached, I would not get my hopes up about 12.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:39 am

    They will certainly start to ramp up production numbers soon as the bugs in both design and production are ironed out and they get more efficient at putting these things together.

    It would be interesting to look at what design changes they could make to improve stealth performance, but pretty much anything you did do would be ruined by the external stores.

    The flat nose makes it look funny to me, but from most other angles I think it looks rather cool.


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    Post  medo on Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:44 pm

    George1 wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    George1 wrote:there has been almost a year since last su-34s were delivered for service. Isn't this too much time? why there is such a delay for the next batch?

    They always make deliveries around new years.
    The entirety of this years batch will be handed over in December.

    10-12 aircraft?

    Depend, if we were good, than Santa will bring 12 Su-34. Wink
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:40 pm

    That's only of Santa sends a Stalin-like letter to the system providers; they are the ones slowing down NAPO.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:16 pm

    The deliveries of the second batch of Su-34 bombers to the Western Command will be started in late December

    The deliveries of the second batch of multi-role Su-34 bombers to the Western Command will be started in the second half of December 2012, press-service of the Western Command reports. AEX.ru

    The engineering and technical personnel of Voronezh air base will arrive in Novosibirsk soon in order to carry out acceptance of the advanced multi-role Su-34 bombers and form the second Su-34 squadron. The specialists will carefully inspect all the jets and technical documentation. The pilots will start performing test flights after the completion of comprehensive ground testing of the jets’ control systems, the press-service noted.

    The crews of the second Su-34 squadron of Voronezh air base have already passed the necessary theoretical retraining at Lipetsk Air Base. The flying personnel have studied the structural system of the advanced bomber, its control system and concept of operation of the latest multi-role Su-34 bomber along with air weapons used by the aircraft.

    "After the arrival of jets in Voronezh an engineer will be assigned to each jet. The necessary number of technicians will be provided for servicing the whole squadron. Each technician has also passed retraining at Lipetsk Air Base and then improved the skills during servicing the jets from the first Su-34 squadron at the Baltimor airfield", - Western Command explained.

    http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2012/12/5/1392/
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:13 am

    Can we hope to be expecting a few hundred Su-34s by the end of the decaded that will hit service with non elite units too by the end of the decade? Having less than 20 in the future would be just pathetic. Come on this isnt 5th gen stuff and the Su-34 itself has been existing since the early 90s.
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    Post  TR1 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:16 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Can we hope to be expecting a few hundred Su-34s by the end of the decaded that will hit service with non elite units too by the end of the decade? Having less than 20 in the future would be just pathetic. Come on this isnt 5th gen stuff and the Su-34 itself has been existing since the early 90s.

    No.

    Current order and likely number is ~140 through 2020. Which is quite good for such a specialized aircraft, all things considered.
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    Post  Sujoy on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:23 am

    TR1 wrote: Which is quite good for such a specialized aircraft, all things considered.

    Actually the SU 34 is three aircraft in one . It is designed as a bomber to deliver strikes to both ground and naval targets, as a fighter to gain air supremacy and as a reconnaissance aircraft.

    That being said , the RuAF also plans to procure SU 30 in decent numbers . So a good question is what can be the optimum mix of aircrafts ( SU 30 SM + SU 34 ).

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    Post  TR1 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:49 am

    RuAF will not be using it as a fighter, that is a self defense role, and a commercialized one. Not so much an operational intention with the RuAF.

    It is specialized comparatively to the multi-role types many airforces sit on (france- Rafale, Europe- Typhoon, Russia - Su-35/Su-30).
    Ofc today it is hard to find any bird that does only one task.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:09 am

    Actually I rather suspect that the Su-34 contains some very advanced systems and equipment and its self defence electronics suite would probably be second to none in Russia.

    The Su-34 is no fighter... it can carry the weapons, but it is very much like the Su-24 in that it will be focussing on ground targets for its business and air targets for evasion.

    It would certainly pack a punch against aircraft but its primary role is strike aircraft.

    The Su-30SM might get tasked with light strike targets as would the Su-35 but deep behind enemy lines well protected targets would be the stock and trade of the Su-34, though the Su-35 or Su-30SM might provide top cover.

    In the same way that an Su-27SM could deliver 1,500kg laser guided bombs just like an Su-24 could, but at the end of the day the Fencer is a strike aircraft and the Su-27 is a multirole fighterbomber.

    The Su-34s will enter service faster soon enough, but it is a good example of the problems that can occur when you try to buy everything from Sukhoi and neglect other sources like MiG.


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    Post  Viktor on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:04 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    TR1 wrote: Which is quite good for such a specialized aircraft, all things considered.

    Actually the SU 34 is three aircraft in one . It is designed as a bomber to deliver strikes to both ground and naval targets, as a fighter to gain air supremacy and as a reconnaissance aircraft.

    That being said , the RuAF also plans to procure SU 30 in decent numbers . So a good question is what can be the optimum mix of aircrafts ( SU 30 SM + SU 34 ).


    Actually its a four aircraft in one. You forget to mention trainer. Very Happy
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:05 am

    So here we go. Another attack from izvesty-a.

    This time its about Su-34.

    Lenta.ru relates the article


    The military found defects on the Su-34 bombers


    All new frontline bombers Su-34, set in the army since 2006, have major defects that limit the use of military aircraft. This is the conclusion Commission Command of the Russian Air Force and the Department of the arms, the newspaper "Izvestia", citing a source in the Ministry of Defence. In the Air Force received a total of 16 such machines, the first two of which are not able to fly.
    The Commission is currently preparing a report on the operation of the Su-34, which will then be handed over to Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

    Each of the bombers has its own unique flaws, but common to all of the Su-34 defect is unstable work and radar sighting and navigation systems. And faults of these systems do not only occur due to incorrect operation of the software, but because of technical problems. Often, the Su-34 has to be decommissioned and put in service.

    Officer-cum-operational service told the BBC, each incoming aircraft has their individual differences. In particular, one aircraft electric motors auxiliary units are located in one place, the other - in the other. In this Command of the Russian Air Force officer told the "News" that the last three Su-34 is different from the others for the better.

    A source in the military-industrial complex said that the military claims surprised because problems identified - is "growing pains." "In the drawings and in the test car was a one, and during production problems appear. You have to make changes in design, changing technology," - told the "News."

    Official confirmation of detected on the Su-34 made public until the defects were not. It should be noted that since the start of series production bomber in 2006, in 2010, the Su-34 has been tested first package upgrades, including new weapons, upgraded engines, updated station prevention of exposure and auxiliary gas turbine power plants. Production of upgraded Su-34 started in 2011.

    According to the portal Military Russia, the Russian Air Force has received 31 Su-34 bombers, including seven prototypes for flight testing. In total, the state program of armaments to 2020 for the Air Force planned to buy 140 Su-34.

    http://lenta.ru/news/2012/12/07/su34/
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    Post  TR1 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:25 am

    Izvestia apparently thinks new equipment works 100% when recently introduced.

    looooooooooool.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:48 pm

    Do we have any figure about the number of Su-34 that will be introduced by the end of year?

    12 was supposed to go, but there have being some problems with that company delivering some electronic piece.

    I dont thing that even if there is some kind of lag caused by that company production of air frames should be reduced but

    increased as far as it goes and those electronic pieces inserted as they come. Of course if thats the only problem detected I think

    its minor one and should be deal with ease.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:05 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Can we hope to be expecting a few hundred Su-34s by the end of the decaded that will hit service with non elite units too by the end of the decade? Having less than 20 in the future would be just pathetic. Come on this isnt 5th gen stuff and the Su-34 itself has been existing since the early 90s.

    No.

    Current order and likely number is ~140 through 2020. Which is quite good for such a specialized aircraft, all things considered.

    By that time NATO will have who knows how many hundreds of F-35s in service and might possibly introduce a new model stealth strike aircraft
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    Post  medo on Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:13 pm

    Su-34 is certainly not a fighter and doesn't have such dogfight capabilities as Su-30SM or Su-35, but its capable radar and modern AAMs give to Su-34 very potent self defense capabilities.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:14 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:By that time NATO will have who knows how many hundreds of F-35s in service and might possibly introduce a new model stealth strike aircraft


    Su-34 is far superior bombing platform. But that does not change a thing as even now US has more fighters many of which are upgraded

    than Russia but is still no where near penetrating Russian airspace without loosing that same air force.
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    Post  Sujoy on Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:44 pm

    Viktor wrote:Actually its a four aircraft in one. You forget to mention trainer. Very Happy

    Correct .And a deadly trainer for that matter .

    The fighter aspect of the SU 34 is often underplayed and it's not difficult to see why . In an airforce where there are already premium aircrafts like MIG 31 , SU 35S and SU 30 SM what is the need for the SU 34 to perform the fighter role ? Two words sums it up prospective clients. Who in all likelihood will not have deep pockets and therefore cannot afford the variety that a Russia , US or China can afford . Nevertheless , they would want their fighter to perform the role of a fighter , bomber and a recon aircraft .

    It's necessary to walk down memory lane to fully understand as to why the SU 34 can perform the role of a fighter .

    (1) The SU 34 has been in existence for almost 20 years now . Though it was named back then as Su-30MK. Then the name was changed to the Su-32MF and it was only ten years later that the plane got its current name. The SU 34 is therefore an upgrade of the Su-27 series, including the Su-47, and is also capable of doing everything that the Su-24 can.

    (2) The SU 34 can perform the same tasks as the Su-27, but with double its range and two and a half times its combat effectiveness.

    (3) Excellent aerodynamics. The Kh-31P antiradar missile, which is capable of engaging all types of radar system of medium- and long-range air defence missile systems, with the carrier remaining well outside of the counter-fire range.

    (4) 10 hardpoints designed to accomodate R 73 and R 77 missiles , an internal 30mm GSh-301 gun with 180 rounds rounds out its weapon array.

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