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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  franco on Wed May 31, 2017 12:05 pm

    The Il-76MD-M will be the overhauled version.
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  franco on Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:43 pm

    Il-76MD-90A apparently costing a lot more then planned. So contract renegotiated, looks like same money but fewer planes:

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2656751.html
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:23 am

    Судя по имеющейся информации, теперь российские вооруженные силы получат 28 новых транспортников, вместо 39. ..С другой стороны, наладить качественное и быстрое производство может экспорт реанимированного Ил-76 — уже ведутся предконтрактные переговоры с двумя государствами, заинтересованными в приобретении самолётов этого типа. В «Рособоронэкспорте» при этом рассчитывают поставлять за рубеж по 4−5 самолётов в год. https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2291941.html
    11 planes less- with 41 IL-76MD-M, it seems the difference won't be felt by the AF. Some countries may also trade in their IL-76MDs which could also be modernized, should Russia ask for them.
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  franco on Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:06 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Судя по имеющейся информации, теперь российские вооруженные силы получат 28 новых транспортников, вместо 39. ..С другой стороны, наладить качественное и быстрое производство может экспорт реанимированного Ил-76 — уже ведутся предконтрактные переговоры с двумя государствами, заинтересованными в приобретении самолётов этого типа. В «Рособоронэкспорте» при этом рассчитывают поставлять за рубеж по 4−5 самолётов в год.  https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2291941.html
    11 planes less- with 41 IL-76MD-M, it seems the difference won't be felt by the AF. Some countries may also trade in their IL-76MDs which could also be modernized, should Russia ask for them.

    That is for the first contract. There will be more in the 2021-2025 budget.
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:09 am

    exactly. First contract was for SAP2020 now next one will be signed. Will be smaller though. Maybe the 10 additional to bring the number back to initial.

    These transport planes are much needed.
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:44 pm

    If the situation in Ukraine changes & relations improve, the AN-70 project for Russia may be given a 2nd chance. Ordering some will decrease the need for so many Il-76MD-90A.
    In the context of an aging fleet of IL-76 and the actual closing of the An-70 program, the program to create the Il-76MD-90A has become more important to the Russian aircraft industry in the medium and even long term. https://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/11/17/modernised_il-76_set_for_take_off_39773 Russia's Ministry of Defense had planned to purchase 60 An-70 planes by 2020. They would have paid approximately $67 million apiece. Russia currently uses the Il-476 .. as an alternative to An-70. https://sputniknews.com/military/201503021018945329/


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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  Militarov on Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:46 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:If the situation in Ukraine changes & relations improve, the AN-70 project for Russia may be given a 2nd chance. Ordering some will decrease the need for so many Il-76MD-90A.
    Russia's Ministry of Defense had planned to purchase 60 An-70 planes by 2020. They would have paid approximately $67 million apiece. Russia currently uses the Il-476 multi-purpose four-engine strategic airlifter as an alternative to An-70. https://sputniknews.com/military/201503021018945329/ In the context of an aging fleet of IL-76 and the actual closing of the An-70 program, the program to create the Il-76MD-90A has become more important to the Russian aircraft industry in the medium and even long term. https://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/11/17/modernised_il-76_set_for_take_off_39773

    That actually would be quite stupid move and i dont really see that happening personally.
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  Militarov on Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:47 pm

    franco wrote:Il-76MD-90A apparently costing a lot more then planned. So contract renegotiated, looks like same money but fewer planes:

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2656751.html

    Cost did rise, not unexpected tbh. Tho it will probably go abit lower as production goes further.
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:07 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:If the situation in Ukraine changes & relations improve, the AN-70 project for Russia may be given a 2nd chance. Ordering some will decrease the need for so many Il-76MD-90A.
    In the context of an aging fleet of IL-76 and the actual closing of the An-70 program, the program to create the Il-76MD-90A has become more important to the Russian aircraft industry in the medium and even long term. https://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/11/17/modernised_il-76_set_for_take_off_39773 Russia's Ministry of Defense had planned to purchase 60 An-70 planes by 2020. They would have paid approximately $67 million apiece. Russia currently uses the Il-476 multi-purpose four-engine strategic airlifter as an alternative to An-70. https://sputniknews.com/military/201503021018945329/
    That actually would be quite stupid move and i dont really see that happening personally.
    The RF'll probably never get their ~$100M already invested back from Ukraine, & the Russian engine maker will earn more if AN-70s are ordered. It would be stupid to drop it in favor for extra more expensive Il-76MD-90As! Other AFs use both C-17s/IL-76s & C-130Js/A-400Ms; the PLAAF uses Y-20s//IL-76s along with Y-8/9 & is developing Y-30. https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/chinas-transport-tanker-heavy-lift-aircraft.t197/page-302#post-456509
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:11 pm

    They are never going to get the money spent on the An-70 back, that is certainly true, but all the crap they have been getting regarding Antonov designs including servicing and support the last thing they should do is try to revive that company or that country.

    The Ukraine is a neighbour but at the end of the day the best Russia can hope for is for the west of the Ukraine to turn totally west and ignore Russia while those areas that don't want that can look to Russia... but many of these areas are not the best friends some people assume they are... just because they don't like the government in Kiev does not mean they are pro Russian or Russia friendly... or even interested in being friends with Russia for anything but selfish reasons.

    They are developing a new aircraft to replace the An-12 in the 20 ton payload class with a twin engine design. A larger four engine model would be an ideal solution to fill the gap left by the An-70... It will take time but will be bullshit proof, which is more than one could say about any model of the An-70 that survives.

    The Il-76 is more expensive but it is a larger longer ranged aircraft too... and all that extra money is being spent in Russian factories... so it is money well spent by the Russian military.

    Extra airframes means economy of scale in terms of spares and support...
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:04 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:If the situation in Ukraine changes & relations improve, the AN-70 project for Russia may be given a 2nd chance. Ordering some will decrease the need for so many Il-76MD-90A.
    ...........

    There's one problem with An-70 that a lot of people overlook for some reason: it is not good. Not good at all.

    Regardless of money invested it remains inferior pile of junk.
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:35 pm

    Actually it looks rather better than the A400M to be honest, but not western country will buy it over the A400M or C-130 super herc because the maker is practically bankrupt and the country the maker comes from has no money to buy any itself, so you have to carry the design yourself... too much risk.

    Especially with financially unstable Ukraine.
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:58 am

    TsAGI completes another round of wind tunnel tests on a Il-276 medium transport aircraft model.

    https://twitter.com/EmbassyofRussia/status/945713516065017856

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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  Bigbird on Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:26 am

    I have a question. IL 476 was equipped with new cockpit glass, avionic as well as flight control system. Why they still need a crew: 5 people  Shocked , such a modern airplane needs only as much as 3 ( 2 pilots and 1 navigator)
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:20 pm

    Bigbird wrote:I have a question. IL 476 was equipped with new cockpit glass, avionic as well as flight control system. Why they still need a crew: 5 people  Shocked , such a modern airplane needs only as much as 3 ( 2 pilots and 1 navigator)
    and what is your source of news?!

    I could not find anywhere number of Il-476 crew. Only Il-76
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    Post  Militarov on Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:35 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Bigbird wrote:I have a question. IL 476 was equipped with new cockpit glass, avionic as well as flight control system. Why they still need a crew: 5 people  Shocked , such a modern airplane needs only as much as 3 ( 2 pilots and 1 navigator)
    and what is your source of news?!

    I could not find anywhere number of Il-476 crew. Only Il-76

    Some Russian sources i saw claim it has crew of 5.

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    Post  Bigbird on Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:44 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Bigbird wrote:I have a question. IL 476 was equipped with new cockpit glass, avionic as well as flight control system. Why they still need a crew: 5 people  Shocked , such a modern airplane needs only as much as 3 ( 2 pilots and 1 navigator)
    and what is your source of news?!

    I could not find anywhere number of Il-476 crew. Only Il-76

    You can see the cockpit in this pictures. 4 upstairs and 1 downstairs. It means that, although the IL-476 is deeply modernized, its automation capabilities are limited. They try to replace the analog devices with digital devices and the mechanic clocks with the LCD monitors. It still needs 5 people to operate








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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  Hole on Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:42 pm

    It is a military plane which can operate from dirt strips and drop airborne troops at night. Greater workload as in a civil plane flying 150 People from A to B. And one of the five crew members is the load master.
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:35 am

    Bigbird wrote:You can see the cockpit in this pictures. 4 upstairs and 1 downstairs. It means that, although the IL-476 is deeply modernized, its automation capabilities are limited. They try to replace the analog devices with digital devices and the mechanic clocks with the LCD monitors. It still needs 5 people to operate

    then perhaps number of loadmasters is 2-3 ? Il-76 is mainly used as VDV transport (so uploading stuff is done rather quickly or spare places as in US tankers (15 spare places for aircre/d\med ops) ?

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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:56 am

    I think this is a requirement for the Russian air force. I read somewhere that civilian An-124-100 operated by Volga-Dnepr or Antonov have less crew than Russian air force planes. If Il-476 is ever procured by a civilian carrier (not unlikely), then it will probably have a crew of 3 or 4 maximum (including the loadmaster).
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  George1 on Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:09 am

    Over 10 Il-76MD-90A Military Transport Planes Under Construction - Ilyushin

    "At present, three of these transport aircraft are already in service, while more than 10 planes are at various degrees of readiness in production," an Ilyushin press release cited Vasiliy Dontsov, chief IT officer at Aviastar-SP, an aircraft manufacturing plant based in the city of Ulyanovsk in the Volga region.

    Aviastar-SP is a subsidiary of the Ilyushin Aviation Complex within the structure of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation.



    https://www.facebook.com/madeinrussianfederation/photos/a.585021491651544/1130513203769034/?type=3&permPage=1
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:58 pm

    I remember that Aeroflot got new planes with smaller cabin crews... both Russian and western and they didn't like them.

    They preferred a larger crew including english speaking crewmen to assist in operations around the world.

    They had a lot of problems with "more efficient" western planes in Siberia because there was no extra space for heavy coats and boots... and of course the quality of the support equipment at some airfields meant operating western planes was not possible.

    Also I have a Russian Arms catalog from 2001-2002 that includes the An-70 which says its flight crew is 3-5...
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:40 pm


    Good, now make more

    Russia’s heavily upgraded military transport plane performs debut flight

    http://tass.com/defense/1029829

    The serial-produced Ilyushin Il-76MD-90A, a heavy upgrade of the Il-76 military transport plane, performed its debut flight on November 7.......
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    Post  Isos on Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:23 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Good, now make more

    Russia’s heavily upgraded military transport plane performs debut flight

    http://tass.com/defense/1029829

    The serial-produced Ilyushin Il-76MD-90A, a heavy upgrade of the Il-76 military transport plane, performed its debut flight on November 7.......

    They will probably say modernized Il-76 are good enough and this one is not needed because they don't have money. Like su-57 /su-35 or t-14/t-90.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:02 pm

    Isos wrote:

    They will probably say modernized Il-76 are good enough and this one is not needed because they don't have money. Like su-57 /su-35 or t-14/t-90.

    article form link says:

    The plane can also be used in emergencies areas, for example, for extinguishing fires. In October 2012, Russia’s Defense Ministry and the United Aircraft Corporation signed a contract worth 140 billion rubles ($2.1 billion) for the delivery of 39 Il-76MD-90A military transport planes to the Russian Armed Forces.

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1029829

    perhaps something changed and they wanted downgraded version then?

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