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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:58 pm

    George1 wrote:Lifetime of updated Il-76MD-M is extended by 15 years. Russia to update 41 Il-76MDs

    https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/status/704409731687981056


    The most interesting feature seems to be the instalation of a DIRCM suite.
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:18 pm

    RuAF to get 3 new Il-76MD-90As in 2017. No new airlifters in 2016

    https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/status/705377673028231168


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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:19 am

    The most interesting feature seems to be the instalation of a DIRCM suite.

    I don't see a DIRCM suite... I do see FLIR ball just in front of the nose windows, but no DIRCM turrets.


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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  Berkut on Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:19 am

    GarryB wrote:
    The most interesting feature seems to be the instalation of a DIRCM suite.

    I don't see a DIRCM suite... I do see FLIR ball just in front of the nose windows, but no DIRCM turrets.

    Take a closer look.

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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:58 am

    GarryB wrote:I don't see a DIRCM suite... I do see FLIR ball just in front of the nose windows, but no DIRCM turrets.
    Also, right above the navigator windows, behind the radome, you will see the UV sensors associated with DIRCM systems.
    And why would Il-76 need FLIR ball? It has huge windows in the chin.
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  Berkut on Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:47 pm

    Are you telling us that humans are able to see in IR and see well at any time of the day? Shit, that is a capability i have missed out on mine Mark 1 eyes.

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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:33 am

    Berkut wrote:Are you telling us that humans are able to see in IR and see well at any time of the day? Shit, that is a capability i have missed out on mine Mark 1 eyes.
    Hahaha, very funny. But no, not quite what I meant. I was thinking more about the An-70 prototype and how it received an optronic ball in 2014 right before the Russians jumped off the project, opposed to the newly built Il-76MD-90 which didn't. That ball surely is helpful to give the crew better forward and downward views when landing in short, unprepared runways, but not so much neeeded in the Il-76 with that glass nose (unless they also want to land in unprepared fields in the middle of the night with no lighting, or with very bad weather).
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:38 am

    Take a closer look.

    I don't see it in the image... I have read about it in the article FP posted at the top of the page:

    "The defensive suite will defend the upgraded Il-76MDM aircraft from all hostile weapon systems," the chief designer said. According to him, the aircraft’s defensive suite includes infrared decoys and other systems.

    But I don't see it in the image.

    Also, right above the navigator windows, behind the radome, you will see the UV sensors associated with DIRCM systems.
    And why would Il-76 need FLIR ball? It has huge windows in the chin.

    Did you read the article at the top of the page?

    Particularly this section?

    The aircraft’s nose-based electro-optical sight system allows observing landing areas and any facilities both in the infrared and the optical bands. Also, the Il-76MDM aircraft is equipped with a satellite navigation system that meets all the requirements and rules for flights along Russian and foreign air routes that both exist and will appear in future.

    Hahaha, very funny. But no, not quite what I meant. I was thinking more about the An-70 prototype and how it received an optronic ball in 2014 right before the Russians jumped off the project, opposed to the newly built Il-76MD-90 which didn't. That ball surely is helpful to give the crew better forward and downward views when landing in short, unprepared runways, but not so much neeeded in the Il-76 with that glass nose (unless they also want to land in unprepared fields in the middle of the night with no lighting, or with very bad weather).

    Actually thermal imagers cannot see through standard glass and can only see through special crystal lenses, so pointing a thermal sight through the lower windows of an Il-76 would be a waste of time.

    A stabilised IR ball with magnifying optics and thermal imager and laser rangefinder offers excellent observation which is why it is adopted.


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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:59 am

    It seems that the optoelectronic ball at least partially replaces the upper-center window pannel.

    The DIRCM heads may include the objects below and to the front of the main landing gear fairing.
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    Il-476 Transport

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:19 pm

    Regarding IL-76s:
    Upgraded IL-76 Service Life Extended by 40 Years: Russian Company Claims  02:45 PM, July 25
    The Ilyushin Il-76MD-M military transport plane is currently performing test flights as part of its production flight tests. "As of today, the plane has performed ten test flights. During the upgrade, the plane’s service life was extended to 40 years. The plane also received a new flight and navigation system and its lighting, airdropping, utility, self-defense and communications equipment has been replaced," the press office of Russia’s Radio-Electronic Technologies Group said last Friday. According to the press office, a multipurpose electro-optical sighting system was installed in the Il-76MD-M plane’s nose to make airdrops more accurate and safer. The system allows watching the drop zone in all weather conditions as it works in the infrared and optical bands. "During the upgrade, the plane received some units interchangeable with parts of the advanced Il-76MD-90A military transport plane," the press office said. According to Russia’s Defense Ministry, the upgrade of the Il-76MD plane to the Il-76MD-M level is expected to cost 30% or less than the cost of advanced aircraft. In all, 41 Il-76MD planes are planned to be upgraded to the Il-76MD-M level. Work is currently under way to upgrade the Il-78 (Midas) and Il-78M aerial refueling planes to the Il-78-2 and Il-78M-2 level, respectively.
    Upgraded Il-76MD-M Airlifter Makes First Flight in Russia
    by Vladimir Karnozov  - March 1, 2016, 10:23 AM
    Russian aircraft manufacturer Ilyushin conducted the first flight of an upgraded Il-76MD-M airlifter on February 28. Chief test pilot Nikolai Kuimov headed the design bureau’s crew for the flight, which was uneventful.
    The Il-76MD-M is a mid-life upgrade of the four-engine Il-76MD airlifter. The flight-test aircraft, registered as RF-76746, was reworked at Ilyushin’s flight-test facility in Zhukovsky near Moscow. The design bureau plans to complete flight tests later this year and use RF-76746 as the prototype to upgrade 40 Il-76M/MDs now in service with the Russian air force. Ilyushin is performing the work under contract to the Russian defense ministry. The latter also plans to fund a similar upgrade on a still undetermined number of Il-78M tankers. The TAPO factory in Uzbekistan built nearly a thousand Il-76M/MDs and delivered the last airlifter in 1992. Forty will be upgraded to the MD-M standard over the next 12 years. The MD-M upgrade targets the youngest part of the Il-76M/MD fleet—mainly those airframes with the longest remaining service life. The upgrade features a modern avionics suite, a new radio communications set and a self-protection system. The aircraft keeps its original Soloviev D-30KP2 engines. Its service life is extended by 10 years to 40 years. Some of the MD-M onboard systems are replaced with systems developed for the new Il-76MD-90A transport, which is being produced by the Aviastar factory in Ulianovsk. As of late February, the Russian air force had accepted two of the 39 Il-76MD-90As it has ordered; a third was undergoing acceptance trials. Aviastar will deliver the -90A model through 2021. Another Il-76MD upgrade solution that centered on replacing the D-30KP engines with Aviadvigatel PS-90A-76 turbofans has been scrapped due to cost. One aircraft, designated Il-76MD-90, underwent flight trials and later provided a testbed for the Il-76MD-90A project. “There will be no massive replacement of D-30KP engines by the newer PS-90A on in-service aircraft,” Ilyushin general designer Nikolai Talikov told AIN.  
    Russia’s Il-76MD-M Plane Undergoing Production Flight Tests  26 july 2016
    The Ilyushin Il-76MD-M military transport plane is currently performing test flights as part of its production flight tests, the press office of Russia’s Radio-Electronic Technologies Group said. "As of today, the plane has performed ten test flights.
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    Il-476 Transport

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:55 am

    Good points! BTW, many Il-76MD-Ms &/ Il-76MD-90As may be ordered by current Il-76 users:
    At least four countries - Iran, Algeria, South Africa and Kazakhstan - had shown interest in buying the Il-76MD-90A (also known as Il-476), the general director of aircraft-maker Aviastar-SP said Friday.
    ULYANOVSK (Sputnik) — Russia's Ilyushin Il-76-MD-90A heavy military transport aircraft has a promising exports potential and its first deliveries to foreign customers deliveries may begin as early as in 2017, the general director of aircraft-maker Aviastar-SP said Friday. .."I think, that the Il-76-MD-90A has a big exports potential…I hope the first plane will be ready for export in 2017," Sergei Dementyev told RIA Novosti.
    According to the general director, the aircraft-maker has plans to expand the production capacity of the modernized Il-76, which would allow the company to produce up to 18 aircraft a year. Under this financial model, Aviastar-SP would make up to 190 heavy transport planes by 2030, Dementyev said.
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    Post  George1 on Wed May 31, 2017 4:20 am

    VTA plans to receive three new IL-76MD-90A aircraft in 2017.

    "Last year we received two such aircrafts, three of which are planned, and currently we are actively training the new instructors and instructors on the basis of the training and re-training center for pilots in Ivanovo," Vladimir Benediktov said.

    The IL-76MD-90A, on which more economical and less noisy PS-90 engines are installed, is, according to Benediktov, "an entirely new aircraft."

    "The weight of the aircraft is increased, the chassis is strengthened, and its other, more sophisticated, airborne equipment is superior to the IL-76MD in terms of carrying capacity." The capabilities of the new aircraft are increased by 30-40%, including the landing of combat airborne troops, including BMD-4, said the general.

    Plans for the next year

    Military transport aviation expects to receive the first two modernized Il-76MD-M combat aircraft in 2018, said Vladimir Benediktov.

    "Active work is under way to modernize the basic aircraft of the IL-76MD system." Now the testing at the enterprise is coming to an end, and next year we plan to get the first two modernized Il-76MD-M aircraft, which will later come in place of existing ones. The life of the aircraft, the use of this type of resource for more than 50 years.It is world practice, there is nothing special about this, "he said.

    According to the general, the IL-76MD is a "proven, reliable, proven aircraft." The upgraded IL-76MD-M has an updated flight-navigation complex, an onboard defense complex, avionics, as well as radar equipment and a sighting complex.

    "This aircraft is a kind of intermediate machine between the IL-76MD and the IL-76MD-90A," Benediktov stressed.
    New division and regiment BTA

    The commander of VTA also said that the new military transport avia-divisions and the regiment in the Orenburg and Ulyanovsk regions will be formed in the second half of 2017, respectively.

    "The main thing for us will be the formation of a new unit - a military transport aviation division with a headquarters in Orenburg, as well as a VTA regiment with a base in Ulyanovsk, and new airplanes Il-76MD-90A will be supplied to this new aviation unit. We are the task, "said Vladimir Benediktov.

    He added that today "measures are being taken to select personnel and train all categories of servicemen" for service in new formations.


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    Http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4295467


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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed May 31, 2017 4:52 am


    Three newly built or overhauled old ones?
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    Post  George1 on Wed May 31, 2017 5:18 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Three newly built or overhauled old ones?

    3 new ones. IL-76MD-90A is IL-476


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    Post  franco on Wed May 31, 2017 12:05 pm

    The Il-76MD-M will be the overhauled version.
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    Post  franco on Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:43 pm

    Il-76MD-90A apparently costing a lot more then planned. So contract renegotiated, looks like same money but fewer planes:

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2656751.html
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:23 am

    Судя по имеющейся информации, теперь российские вооруженные силы получат 28 новых транспортников, вместо 39. ..С другой стороны, наладить качественное и быстрое производство может экспорт реанимированного Ил-76 — уже ведутся предконтрактные переговоры с двумя государствами, заинтересованными в приобретении самолётов этого типа. В «Рособоронэкспорте» при этом рассчитывают поставлять за рубеж по 4−5 самолётов в год. https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2291941.html
    11 planes less- with 41 IL-76MD-M, it seems the difference won't be felt by the AF. Some countries may also trade in their IL-76MDs which could also be modernized, should Russia ask for them.
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    Post  franco on Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:06 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Судя по имеющейся информации, теперь российские вооруженные силы получат 28 новых транспортников, вместо 39. ..С другой стороны, наладить качественное и быстрое производство может экспорт реанимированного Ил-76 — уже ведутся предконтрактные переговоры с двумя государствами, заинтересованными в приобретении самолётов этого типа. В «Рособоронэкспорте» при этом рассчитывают поставлять за рубеж по 4−5 самолётов в год.  https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2291941.html
    11 planes less- with 41 IL-76MD-M, it seems the difference won't be felt by the AF. Some countries may also trade in their IL-76MDs which could also be modernized, should Russia ask for them.

    That is for the first contract. There will be more in the 2021-2025 budget.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:09 am

    exactly. First contract was for SAP2020 now next one will be signed. Will be smaller though. Maybe the 10 additional to bring the number back to initial.

    These transport planes are much needed.
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    Re: Il-476 Transport

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:44 pm

    If the situation in Ukraine changes & relations improve, the AN-70 project for Russia may be given a 2nd chance. Ordering some will decrease the need for so many Il-76MD-90A.
    In the context of an aging fleet of IL-76 and the actual closing of the An-70 program, the program to create the Il-76MD-90A has become more important to the Russian aircraft industry in the medium and even long term. https://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/11/17/modernised_il-76_set_for_take_off_39773 Russia's Ministry of Defense had planned to purchase 60 An-70 planes by 2020. They would have paid approximately $67 million apiece. Russia currently uses the Il-476 .. as an alternative to An-70. https://sputniknews.com/military/201503021018945329/


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    Post  Militarov on Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:46 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:If the situation in Ukraine changes & relations improve, the AN-70 project for Russia may be given a 2nd chance. Ordering some will decrease the need for so many Il-76MD-90A.
    Russia's Ministry of Defense had planned to purchase 60 An-70 planes by 2020. They would have paid approximately $67 million apiece. Russia currently uses the Il-476 multi-purpose four-engine strategic airlifter as an alternative to An-70. https://sputniknews.com/military/201503021018945329/ In the context of an aging fleet of IL-76 and the actual closing of the An-70 program, the program to create the Il-76MD-90A has become more important to the Russian aircraft industry in the medium and even long term. https://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/11/17/modernised_il-76_set_for_take_off_39773

    That actually would be quite stupid move and i dont really see that happening personally.
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    Post  Militarov on Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:47 pm

    franco wrote:Il-76MD-90A apparently costing a lot more then planned. So contract renegotiated, looks like same money but fewer planes:

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2656751.html

    Cost did rise, not unexpected tbh. Tho it will probably go abit lower as production goes further.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:07 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:If the situation in Ukraine changes & relations improve, the AN-70 project for Russia may be given a 2nd chance. Ordering some will decrease the need for so many Il-76MD-90A.
    In the context of an aging fleet of IL-76 and the actual closing of the An-70 program, the program to create the Il-76MD-90A has become more important to the Russian aircraft industry in the medium and even long term. https://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/11/17/modernised_il-76_set_for_take_off_39773 Russia's Ministry of Defense had planned to purchase 60 An-70 planes by 2020. They would have paid approximately $67 million apiece. Russia currently uses the Il-476 multi-purpose four-engine strategic airlifter as an alternative to An-70. https://sputniknews.com/military/201503021018945329/
    That actually would be quite stupid move and i dont really see that happening personally.
    The RF'll probably never get their ~$100M already invested back from Ukraine, & the Russian engine maker will earn more if AN-70s are ordered. It would be stupid to drop it in favor for extra more expensive Il-76MD-90As! Other AFs use both C-17s/IL-76s & C-130Js/A-400Ms; the PLAAF uses Y-20s//IL-76s along with Y-8/9 & is developing Y-30. https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/chinas-transport-tanker-heavy-lift-aircraft.t197/page-302#post-456509
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:11 pm

    They are never going to get the money spent on the An-70 back, that is certainly true, but all the crap they have been getting regarding Antonov designs including servicing and support the last thing they should do is try to revive that company or that country.

    The Ukraine is a neighbour but at the end of the day the best Russia can hope for is for the west of the Ukraine to turn totally west and ignore Russia while those areas that don't want that can look to Russia... but many of these areas are not the best friends some people assume they are... just because they don't like the government in Kiev does not mean they are pro Russian or Russia friendly... or even interested in being friends with Russia for anything but selfish reasons.

    They are developing a new aircraft to replace the An-12 in the 20 ton payload class with a twin engine design. A larger four engine model would be an ideal solution to fill the gap left by the An-70... It will take time but will be bullshit proof, which is more than one could say about any model of the An-70 that survives.

    The Il-76 is more expensive but it is a larger longer ranged aircraft too... and all that extra money is being spent in Russian factories... so it is money well spent by the Russian military.

    Extra airframes means economy of scale in terms of spares and support...


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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:04 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:If the situation in Ukraine changes & relations improve, the AN-70 project for Russia may be given a 2nd chance. Ordering some will decrease the need for so many Il-76MD-90A.
    ...........

    There's one problem with An-70 that a lot of people overlook for some reason: it is not good. Not good at all.

    Regardless of money invested it remains inferior pile of junk.

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