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    NationalRus
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    How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  NationalRus on Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:04 pm

    thats my question too you, we all know that russia has a big problem with alcoholism, a realy big one, goverment is taking actions but what do YOU think about it, are the actions hard enough?

    and as the president how would you resolve this problem?

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:54 am

    Isn't that the million ruble question. If you raise taxes, people just make poor quality and poison people. I think the best way is to raise incomes, that way people won't be so depressed all the time. You can't ban it.

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:45 am

    It is too easy to make for a ban to be effective.
    You need to change the attitude of the general population to drinking and it wont happen overnight.
    It will always happen, but you need to change the attitude to heavy drinking.
    No easy answers and certainly no single answer.

    As Vlad says you also need to look at the reasons for the heavy drinking and deal with those problems, or offer less dangerous alternatives.

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  NationalRus on Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:31 pm

    i have a diffent opinon, the times firstly were th russian population started to drink soheavy is over, nothing is so desperate anymore of a situation in russia, and i say this as a big critic of russias economic situation an everythin else but the attitude towards drinking still haven't changed...

    to let people just do as they like furthr and don't change anything and just hoping thatwith time they will come too sense agan is the most small-minded thing too do

    im a proponent of a hard strategy against drinking, my plan would have about 4 steps to fight alcoholism in russia

    1. increasing very significant anti-alcohol propaganda in all forms and banning all alcohol advertisement in al forms.
    2. set the pricec for alcohol on european or better scandinavic niveau in a period of a year by increase its slowly every month
    3. darmatic increase of penalties on illegal selling of alcohol, illegal producing of alcohol, selling under price
    4.step would take palce in the same time as the first would be to create a big special foce in the militsya nation wide to pursue any criminals who not follow this rules, this special nation wide force would be 24/7 356 day a year be observed deaply and at the same time assisted by the FSB

    my expirience and knowledge of our russian havealy drinking attitude and my personal knowledge of alcoholics says to me only such measures could and would fight effective alcoholism

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:43 am

    Improving living standards and life expectancy will lead to the "biggest killers" being revealed and these should be dealt with as they appear to further improve living standards and life expectancy.
    I wish you luck and success in defeating all the things that are standing in the way of the future for Russia.
    A change in culture of drinking is part of the solution, and getting to the root of the problems that cause excessive drinking will be the ultimate solution, but of course there are so many reasons for that it will be hard to tackle them all.
    Of course some of these root causes will create other problems too so it is worth dealing with them when you can.

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  NationalRus on Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:35 am

    my question was not metaphoric but a serious one, if you don't want to answer it then don't but i "surly" would watch russian TV and ther talkshows when i wanted to hear philosophical "bs" surrounding a question but never going in to it

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:42 am

    People don't drink alcohol to be kool. Nor do they think it won't kill you. Every Russian knows the effects of it as it has effected all of our families. Advertising its bad effects is a waste of money. People drink it because they are depressed. Until you kill the reason for their depression, people will continue to drink. It is the easiest way to get high.

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:36 pm

    There is no cure for depression.
    It is everywhere, not just in Russia, but then alcoholism is everywhere too.
    There are drugs that can control the feelings of depression, but they can be just as addictive as alcohol.
    The issue soon becomes which addiction is the least destructive and available.
    I don't have the answers, but then I don't drink much either.

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  NationalRus on Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:00 pm

    GarryB wrote:There is no cure for depression.
    It is everywhere, not just in Russia, but then alcoholism is everywhere too.
    There are drugs that can control the feelings of depression, but they can be just as addictive as alcohol.
    The issue soon becomes which addiction is the least destructive and available.
    I don't have the answers, but then I don't drink much either.

    fact is that the problemm in russia is bigger then in the most other countrys and a LOT drink just becouse the want to drink, specialy when you look at the youth we in germany have here the same problemm the yout is drinking themselfs to death just becuse its cool to drink with friends till you can't walk and tel it the whole shool on monday...

    thats why hard radical legislations must be applied like my concept, its sad the our goverment don't hve enough balls to drive a hard line

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:15 am

    The problem with taking a hard line is that a lot of youth will have trouble when they find they now have a criminal record for drinking.
    A tough crack down on what we call in NZ binge (bin-je) drinking, or drinking hard and fast specifically to get rolling drunk, as opposed to a drink with a meal on a night out with friends for example.
    If they are doing it to tell stories of how hard and tough they are then the only solution is to change the culture of drinking.
    It will only when people think drinkers are selfish jerks that might end up killing them on the road on the way home that some of that drinking will stop.

    The basic problem is that there are many reasons to drink and some are easier to deal with than others.

    I got called a wuss many a time for not drinking, but I simply said that if I really was a wuss or weak it would be much easier for me to drink like the rest of them than to say no. Some respected my decision. Others tried to get violent or continued to harass me.
    I can tell you it is much easier to beat up a drunk person than a sober person.
    Another issue of course is that sometimes there is a reason they want you drunk... especially if you are a female or worth robbing.
    Alcoholism is a trap that many are caught in. They need counciling and support and their friends and family to get together and help them.
    What they don't need is time in prison and a criminal record, though for some even that is not enough to stop them.
    Drinking and driving is illegal most places yet some people get repeated arrested, and some even kill people by their actions yet they continue to offend.

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  NationalRus on Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:52 am

    no, it would not be a problem, becouse they will not have a criminal record for drinking, they would have one for illegal producing, illigal selling or selling under price like is said, the concept is to make drinking a LOT more expenisve and to bring it under goverment control in fact of the pricec and sort of alcohol

    if you want somthing complet and effectevly fought, specialy in russia on issues like this you have to go hard or go home

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:07 am

    Well I will take your word for it, you know Russians better than I do.

    It is just that by making it illegal you create a market for it, so all the gangs and thugs can start making money by running illegal operations.

    I think corruption needs to be dealt with as well as the problem of drinking.

    There will never be a complete solution, there will always be alcoholics.

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  solo.13mmfmj on Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:16 pm

    Teach them how to deal with there problems.I have a shity life but i don't drink ,smoke or take drugs.If you think that getting better wages will stop this you are mistaken.They will drink unless are forced or tout not to.
    Russians hav had drinking problems for a long time now is feedback effect because nobody tried to solve this problem.

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:03 pm

    solo.13mmfmj wrote:Teach them how to deal with there problems.I have a shity life but i don't drink ,smoke or take drugs.If you think that getting better wages will stop this you are mistaken.They will drink unless are forced or tout not to.
    Russians hav had drinking problems for a long time now is feedback effect because nobody tried to solve this problem.

    You don't but plenty of people do. Depression is the leading gateway to alcoholism.

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  NationalRus on Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:55 pm

    i think today the youth is the biggest problem, not becouse of depression but becouse to go and to fil yourself up with friends is a new lifstyle.... we have the same problem like already said in germany and look at the british youth... they are the most extrem lifestyle drinkers in europa

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:03 am

    NationalRus wrote:i think today the youth is the biggest problem, not becouse of depression but becouse to go and to fil yourself up with friends is a new lifstyle.... we have the same problem like already said in germany and look at the british youth... they are the most extrem lifestyle drinkers in europa

    The problem isn't the youth, the problem is fathers who drink their lives away while their children watch.

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:28 pm

    People always start drinking when society is unstable. They want to forget about their daily problems, so they start drinking. So for limiting alcoholism in RUssia, best way is to make society more stable and better level of life


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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  NationalRus on Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:42 pm

    milky_candy_sugar wrote:People always start drinking when society is unstable. They want to forget about their daily problems, so they start drinking. So for limiting alcoholism in RUssia, best way is to make society more stable and better level of life
    nice talking but its bullshit

    first how do you want to get a stable society, in comperesment to the 90's its stable like it was never befor!

    second the most of you don't realise that drinkin has goten more and more to a lifestyle cult were its cool to drink yourself to the extrem with friends etc.

    of course we must work as hard esnever befor to make our country a better place and a more devolopt society but to fight this drinking habits and to BREAK the drinking lifestyle only hard realy hard actions mut be made

    we must approach this problem not like political correct philosophers but like a stratigic military style operation, thats how i see it and thats how i devolept my plan

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  NationalRus on Sun Aug 01, 2010 2:32 pm

    for the russian speakers

    РФ вводит минимальную цену на этиловый спирт - 59 рублей за литр
    02:45 01/08/2010

    МОСКВА, 1 авг - РИА Новости. Минимальная цена на производимый на территории РФ этиловый спирт из пищевого сырья устанавливается с 1 августа в размере 59 рублей за 1 литр.

    Соответствующий приказ Росалкогольрегулирования зарегистрирован 13 июля 2010 года министерством юстиции РФ. Цена установлена на этиловый спирт из пищевого сырья, за исключением денатурированного этилового спирта, головной фракции этилового спирта и спирта-сырца.

    С 1 января 2010 года в России приказом службы установлена минимальная цена на водку в размере 89 рублей за 0,5 литра.

    С 1 июня Росалкогольрегулирование ввело минимальные цены на ликероводочную и другую алкогольную продукцию крепостью более 28% (за исключением водки) для розничной торговли. Минимальная цена на эту продукцию рассчитывается исходя из процентного содержания этилового спирта в напитке, цена одного градуса составляет 2,225 рубля. Получается, что ценовой минимум алкогольного напитка крепостью от 28,01% до 29% составит 65 рублей, а крепостью от 94,01% до 95% - 213 рублей.

    С 1 июля установлена минимальная оптовая цена на водку, поставляемую производителем, в размере 70 рублей за 0,5 литра. Также с 1 июля установлена минимальная цена на водку, импортированную, либо произведенную на территории РФ, поставляемую организацией, закупившей ее у другой организации - в размере 77 рублей за 0,5 литра.

    Для организаций, осуществляющих закупку у организаций-производителей, к цене организации-производителя в 70 рублей добавляется 10% (оптовая наценка) и получается 77 рублей, сообщали РИА Новости в ведомстве. В свою очередь, если к 77 рублям прибавить 15% (розничная наценка), то получается минимальная цена на водку в размере 89 рублей.

    http://rian.ru/economy/20100801/260488664.html

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    Re: How to Fight Alcoholism in Russia

    Post  nightcrawler on Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:07 am

    Its an extremely difficult problem Firstly I only took US as a hub & a nurturing place for drug dealers; prostitutes; pedophiles & what not!!
    But then some truth opened by eyes even for the mighty Russia whom I always have a deep respect. & the truths were



    & many others about Russian children left lone by their alcoholic parents in the streets of Pittsburgh something like Newyork in US
    Similar docs do exist 4 other countries but Russia tooo......
    Now I have seen a dramatic increase in Russians copying US in one thing that they mustnt for the sake of their future generations & that is PORN INDUSTRY.
    Have observed a tremendous increase in Russian sex few years from now & I think that is the worst thing that could happen. To make some money Russians are following the same US rule
    "Get out of bed unless you can make money in bed'
    & alas this is what happening out there.
    I have read numerous articles that compares the annual revenue exceeding billions of dollars from US adult industry & I think thts what impressed the Russians or in other articles I have read many US people are involved in Russian adult business as they are the prime contractors & Russians be the subcontractors so much for freedom I think!!
    Alcoholism & this bullshit can be single handedly stopped if one places other porn vistims in his sister/mother place!!
    I am Pakistani & Muslim but let just think about humanity & no religion whatsoever be involved the only solution is atleast atleast adequate money for each citizen & most important at the same time public prosecution of these porn juggernauts
    WOW WOW WOW killing ow.. that is inhumane;;;; my GOD plz dont be blind when these humanitarians who come along pleading for these porn rascals; only solution just kill them & think of the girls dragged into this nasty business as your sisters then killing won't be difficult for even the most HUMANE person

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