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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:10 pm

    WOW.... amazing...

    Just a few questions however... if the ship can't see subsonic missiles and defeat two at the same time, why not just use standard Harpoon missiles that are already in the inventory?

    Second, again, with no air defence to speak of why sent four F-35s when a single F-15E could have done the job with more missile options and better self defence performance with its own AMRAAMs and ARMs as well as 5 air to ground missiles?

    Not really that impressed to be honest.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:57 pm

    GarryB wrote:WOW.... amazing...

    Just a few questions however... if the ship can't see subsonic missiles and defeat two at the same time, why not just use standard Harpoon missiles that are already in the inventory?

    Second, again, with no air defence to speak of why sent four F-35s when a single F-15E could have done the job with more missile options and better self defence performance with its own AMRAAMs and ARMs as well as 5 air to ground missiles?

    Not really that impressed to be honest.

    The video, the tech, everything related to SOM is sketchy and pretty useless.
    It's a good jobs program tho. lol1
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:46 pm




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    Lots of good details in here. Here’s a few slides from VADM Venlet’s F-35 program update at #SAS2018 today.


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    Post  Airman on Fri May 11, 2018 6:06 am

    The 1st #TurkishAirForce F-35A (18-0001, c/n AT-1) made its 1st flight from NAS JRB Fort Worth (TX) on 10May18. The 18-0001 was succesfully flown by Commander Wilson. Photos: Clinton White / Highbrass Photography.
    https://twitter.com/scramble_nl/status/994709486576242688

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    Post  JohninMK on Thu May 24, 2018 1:28 am

    This is re the IAF F-35 overflying Beirut. If he is correct this isn't weird its what would be expected to hide the true signature of the aircraft. Just as the USAF is alleged to do with the F-22.



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    I may be wrong but it looks like this F-35 was flying with radar reflectors. Weird, isn’t it?


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu May 24, 2018 4:55 am

    No sh%t it's over Beirut, put it in Damascus an see if it isn't turned into a pile of scrap metal.

    Seriously, this fighter is not gonna be leaving the Golan and Lebanese (Safe-space).
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    Post  George1 on Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:16 pm



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    Post  Airman on Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:11 am

    Turkish pilot carries out first F-35 jet flight in US

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    Post  ATLASCUB on Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:32 am

    Is this old news or the resumption of flight training?
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    Post  LMFS on Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:24 pm

    Time for the US to build a real 5G fighter:

    https://www.defenseone.com/business/2018/08/lockheed-pitching-f-22f-35-hybrid-us-air-force/150943/

    Amidst claims that PAK-FA is no 5G and F-35 wonderful beyond measure, Lockheed is essentially admitting they are behind. Let's see where this ends up...
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:14 pm

    https://www.rt.com/usa/437286-pentagon-f35-design-flaws/

    Officials overseeing the development of the F-35 fighter jets have apparently deliberately downplayed some critical deficiencies that can endanger lives of both pilots and troops on the ground, said the Project On Government Oversight (POGO), an independent watchdog. It obtained the Pentagon agency’s documents which show that there’s no justification or plans to fix the flaws still plaguing the $1.5 trillion program.

    Instead of fixing them, the problems were just re-categorized. The Deficiency Review Board of the Joint Strike Fighter Program Office downgraded 19 Category I problems to a less serious Category II, without providing any plan to correct ten of those critical design flaws. Category I deficiencies “may cause death, severe injury, or severe occupational illness; may cause loss or major damage to a weapon system; critically restricts the combat readiness capabilities of the using organization; or result in a production line stoppage,” according to the US military documents.

    Category II deficiencies “could impede or constrain successful mission accomplishment.” The categories are assigned to the deficiencies by the testing personnel, who identify them during the test and evaluation process. In many cases, however, the board acted on its own “with no apparent justification or evidence that the flaws were in fact not as serious as initially categorized,” POGO said.

    They'll eventually get it right....eventually. Corruption is a helluva problem tho..

    In the meantime I heard they were looking into getting Su-35s...(ehm....heavily upgraded F-15s).
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:53 am

    USMC's Older F-35Bs May Only Be Able To Fly Around A Quarter Of Their Expected Service Life

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26269/usmcs-older-f-35bs-may-only-be-able-to-fly-around-a-quarter-of-their-expected-service-life
    A new Pentagon report is warning that the U.S. Marine Corps' oldest F-35B Joint Strike Fighters may remain airworthy for just over a quarter of the aircraft's expected lifespan due to serious structural problems. This could force the service to begin grounding jets, or retiring them permanently, as early as 2026. It also remains unclear whether subsequent improvements to the aircraft's design on later models have significantly increased the durability of later production aircraft.

    I would cross-post this to Russia's VTOL thread just for kicks but I realized you gotta keep the hope alive.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:32 am

    So extra structure upgrades... more work, more weight, less performance, and costs more, and don't forget these aircraft being retired early... 2026... boy... they are barely in service now and they will need to be retired in 7 years time... these are the more expensive 125 million dollar a pop models... talk about lack of bang for buck... but of course the Russians are not bound by the laws of physics and wont make the same mistakes...

    Isn't it funny how they under build an aircraft to get a contract and then to get a capable platform they have to remake it heavier and more expensive in a form that probably would have lost them the contract in the first place... the dirty world of the US MIC....
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:18 pm

    Americans did hint that they would prefer canceling the entire program but at this stage it has consumed so much money that they have to get something out of it.

    Designing a new plane would cost yet another several hundred billion $, take 5+ years of R&D, several years of testing and US would need to fly 40 years old F-15s all that time.

    BTW Su-35 will have a predicted initial price of $50 milion pee unit + probably lower operating costs. Nice.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:46 pm

    The sprinkles...

    https://www.rt.com/usa/450356-pentagon-report-f35-testing/

    Adding to the pile of flaws and setbacks plaguing the F-35 strike fighter, a new report by the Pentagon reveals that jet's life span is nearly four times shorter than expected and the accuracy of its guns is "unacceptable."

    The number of F-35s ready to fly remained "flat" for past three years and there was "no improving trend" in 2018.

    In fact, the average availability rate of F-35 jets didn't hit the "target value of 60 percent," which is also "well below [the] planned 80 percent" needed for efficient testing and pilot training, according to the military's assessment.

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    In addition, the tests revealed that the life span of early-production models is far lower than the expected 8,000 flights hours, and "may be as low as 2,100 flight hours," the document reads.

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    The DOT&E further noted that some of the "vulnerabilities" in the plane's cybersecurity uncovered earlier "still had not been remedied."
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    In January, citing its own sources, Politico reported that the Pentagon's acting chief, Patrick Shanahan, slammed the jet fighter as "f***ed-up," calling the project "unsustainable" and claiming that its manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, "doesn't know how to run a program."

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:30 am

    Americans did hint that they would prefer canceling the entire program but at this stage it has consumed so much money that they have to get something out of it.

    Designing a new plane would cost yet another several hundred billion $, take 5+ years of R&D, several years of testing and US would need to fly 40 years old F-15s all that time.

    Waiting for Vann and other local experts to say heads must roll and they should get rid of LM all together and privatise it and get a small company to replace them...

    It is going to take a few hundred billion to fix this aircraft... looking at their real experience with the F-35 they need to admit they made a mistake and go for a serious upgrade of the F-15, new built with new materials but not super stealthy... give it a big radar and lots of weapons and good range and then make 2,000 of them for a fraction of the cost of the 2,000 F-35s they are never going to make...

    But don't take my advice... keep on with the F-35 it is an excellent money hole to waste money and make your air power weaker...

    BTW Su-35 will have a predicted initial price of $50 milion pee unit + probably lower operating costs. Nice.

    I am quite looking forward to seeing what sort of performance they will get from their new technology radar systems...

    If you look at infantry as a comparison... the whole world currently lines up its troops in bright colourful uniforms and fire volley shots at the enemy... the US claims it has developed a gillie suit and will use its sniper rifles to devastate the enemy...

    The problem for them is that the Russians are introducing thermal sights that can detect threats even in gillie suits and their sniper rifles are just as good as Americas sniper rifles so the Americans have no real range advantage... (R-77 vs AMRAAM and Meteor vs R-37M)...

    The thing is that their snipers are so expensive to train they don't have many and some of their other equipment sucks etc etc... can't be bothered to continue the analogy but you can see where this is going can't you?

    Russia is of course developing its own snipers, but is not replacing all rifle armed soldiers with snipers... it is just too expensive... there are so many jobs a sniper is less use than an average infantryman.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:18 am

    For those not in the know yet....

    F-35s out there in service today, are, more or less, working prototypes....

    200ish.

    The troubled $1.5 trillion F-35 program is not ready to begin the critical combat-testing phase, the Pentagon’s testing director said in a previously undisclosed August memo obtained by the Center for Defense Information at the Project On Government Oversight (POGO). That decision marks another setback in the development of the Pentagon’s largest acquisition program.

    The memo, issued on August 24, 2018, says the program has not met the necessary entry criteria to begin the crucial combat-testing phase called Initial Operational Test and Evaluation (IOT&E). It comes on the heels  of the revelation , reported first by POGO, that program officials have been trying to make it appear as though the program has completed the development phase, by altering paperwork to reclassify potentially life-threatening design flaws to give the appearance of progress rather than actually fixing them.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/stealth-nightmare-f-35-unable-fight-43007

    There are some good advancements however that you can gather from the original doc (linked in the article). A rushed work in progress that a lot of fat cats are skeeming off unfortunately.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:01 am

    Perhaps more accurately described as:

    F-35s out there in service today, are, more or less, non-working prototypes....
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:06 pm

    Not the most accurate source.

    F-35Bs flew more than 100 combat sorties against the Taliban and ISIS while deployed aboard the amphibious assault ship USS Essex, said Lt. Col. Kyle Shoop, commander of Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 211.

    "We overall supported more than 50 days of combat flying for over 1,200 flight hours," Shoop told Task & Purpose. "We supported both Operation Freedom's Sentinel up in the Afghanistan region as well as Operation Inherent Resolve over Syria/Iraq. We employed ordnance in both theaters on numerous days," Shoop said. "Every single one of the pilots employed ordnance in theater. So, we were very busy."

    The Essex quietly left San Diego in July along with the F-35B squadron and the 13th Marine Expeditionary Unit embarked. The F-35B got its first taste of combat in September against a Taliban weapons cache in Afghanistan.

    The aircraft that flew the mission had two names inscribed on it, Shoop said: Medal of Honor recipient Capt.Henry Talmage "Hammering Hank" Elrod and Lt .Col. Christopher "Otis" Raible , the squadron's former commander, who was killed in 2012 while repelling a Taliban attack on Camp Bastion while armed only with a pistol.

    During its deployment, the F-35B squadron flew close air support missions over both Afghanistan and Syria, Shoop said. In Syria, the aircraft also helped assess the damage done by coalition airstrikes in bad weather because the F-35's radar is far better than the F/A-18 Hornets' sensors.

    Neither Syrian or Russian air defenses attempted to engage the F-35Bs during the missions against ISIS, he said.

    "We would see Russian airplanes airborne as well as Syrian, but everyone maintained their lines of de-confliction that were set up prior," Shoop said.

    Overall, the F-35 exceeded expectations during its first deployment, Shoop said. The squadron was able to keep 75 percent of its aircraft operational at all times, allowing it to "fly pretty much at will."


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:54 pm

    The bad news never ends with the Flub-35 Embarassed , Turkey to be cut out, France and Germany leaving and creating their own 5th-gen plane, Spain joining them, and now this.... lol1

    Pentagon Mismanaged $2.1 Billion In F-35 Stealth Jet Parts

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-16/bombshell-pentagon-mismanaged-21-billion-f-35-stealth-jet-parts


    Popular Mechanics and The Drive will spin this into why the Su-57 is bad, and the Flub-35 is great....oh how Orwellian of them. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:08 pm


    https://www.airspacemag.com/military...est-180971734/

    If you were to write down all the ways in which you could measure an airplane—payload, fuel, ordnance, handling—and ask 100 pilots to rank which is the most important, I guarantee you that 100 out of 100 pilots would say “situational awareness.” By far. Not a single pilot in the world would say “turn radius.” Not one. Because the more you know, the more accurately you know it, the better able you are to make a decision.


    In situational awareness, the F-35 is superior to all platforms, including the Raptor. I’d never been in an airplane that so effectively and seamlessly integrates information to tell me what’s going on around me—and not just from the radio frequency spectrum, but laser, infrared, electro-optical. That’s usually the first thing people notice when they get in the airplane. They know so much more than they ever knew before.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:53 am

    Of course the problem there is that all the cyber capabilities of the F-35 leaves it exposed to getting hacked and defeated electronically.

    In fact the US has a kill switch that can be used to turn off the aircraft of allies... and the Chinese stole all the data and schematics on the aircraft...

    Also this guy has never sat in an Su-57 or even an Su-35 or MiG-35 so what he has to say about SA can't be taken as gospel.

    BTW NATO forces have for years gotten their SA from AWACS... that is the purpose of the Su-57 carrying the R-37M...
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    Post  LMFS on Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:06 am

    US stops F-35 fighter jet parts delivery to Turkey

    “The United States has been clear that Turkey’s acquisition of the S-400 is unacceptable,” said acting Pentagon spokesman Charles Summers Jr. “Until they forgo delivery of the S-400, the United States has suspended deliveries and activities associated with the stand-up of Turkey’s F-35 operational capability. Should Turkey procure the S-400, their continued participation in the F-35 program is at risk.”

    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-04-01/us-stops-f-35-fighter-jet-parts-delivery-to-turkey

    The soap opera goes on, participation of Turkey in the program looking increasingly unlikely long term. Better for Turkey IMO...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:13 am

    LMFS wrote:[b]US stops F-35 fighter jet parts delivery to Turkey[b]

    “The United States has been clear that Turkey’s acquisition of the S-400 is unacceptable,” said acting Pentagon spokesman Charles Summers Jr. “Until they forgo delivery of the S-400, the United States has suspended deliveries and activities associated with the stand-up of Turkey’s F-35 operational capability. Should Turkey procure the S-400, their continued participation in the F-35 program is at risk.”

    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-04-01/us-stops-f-35-fighter-jet-parts-delivery-to-turkey

    The soap opera goes on, participation of Turkey in the program looking increasingly grim. Better for Turkey IMO...

    3 major customers (France, German, Turkey) are now out of the program completely, and quite a few countries who've committed to purchases also have alternate 5th-gen programs (Japan, Italy, South Korea, Britain, Spain, Italy, The Netherlands) which ultimately will take money away from F-35 procurement......F-35 "White-Elephant" will be it's lasting legacy! Embarassed Razz lol1

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