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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:42 am

    Wonder if there will be a Government to Government cross charge on this or is the US taking the hit on behalf of Lockheed?

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — Lockheed Martin has received a more than one third of a billion dollars order for the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike aircraft, including provision to correct deficiencies in planes delivered to overseas allies, the US Department of Defense announced.

    "Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company [in] Fort Worth, Texas is being awarded [a] $372 million… contract… [for] the procurement of F-35A and F-35B variant aircraft's including deficiency corrections for non-US Department of Defense participants," the announcement stated on Monday.

    Work on the contract will be performed in several US locations and in Warton, United Kingdom as well as in Nagoya, Japan and is expected to be completed in March 2020, the Defense Department said.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:49 pm

    USAF Operationally Deploying F-35A To Europe This Weekend For The First Time
    The move is a big milestone for the program—and a message to Russia.



    The USAF will send an F-35A contingent of unknown size to Europe this weekend. The Air Force says the deployment has been planned for some time, although the timing of it is thorny: It follows increased tensions with Russia over America's Tomahawk strikes in Syria, as well as Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's chilly visit to Moscow. The mission will be the first of its kind for the USAF's F-35A variant of the Joint Strike Fighter.  

    The jets will be from the 388th Fighter Squadron based at Hill Air Force Base, Utah. The unit recently completed exercise Red Flag where they performed well and garnered somewhat outlandish praise from the press.

    The deployment will likely mirror that of the F-22's first deployment to Europe, with follow-on deployments growing drastically in both scope and complexity. In the F-35's case, the jets will likely hopscotch around to some of the Western European countries that are slated to purchase it, giving their Air Forces a bit of a hands-on look at the aircraft's capabilities on their own turf.

    It is also possible that the jets could visit NATO allies in eastern Europe, such as Poland or Romania, a move that would be seen as more aggressive when it comes to US-Russian relations. The aircraft's ability to soak of electronic intelligence could be put to good use near the Russian border, but no matter where exactly they end up, it will be a highly publicized excursion to say the least.

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/9298/usaf-operationally-deploying-f-35a-to-europe-this-weekend-for-the-first-time
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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:22 pm

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    It is also possible that the jets could visit NATO allies in eastern Europe, such as Poland or Romania, a move that would be seen as more aggressive when it comes to US-Russian relations. The aircraft's ability to soak of electronic intelligence could be put to good use near the Russian border, but no matter where exactly they end up, it will be a highly publicized excursion to say the least......

    As if Russia didn't have enough opportunities to get the data on F-35 but every little bit helps.

    Although it will be some months before Israelis start flying theirs trough Russian radar coverage so it's nice get an early start.

    And did they got around to fixing issues listed in that article that JohninMK posted the other week? It's a big list.

    Also, I haven't clicked on the link but since this is the thedrive.com I will assume this feel-good stronkkk piece is written by certain clown called Tyler Rogaway?
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:30 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Also, I haven't clicked on the link but since this is the thedrive.com I will assume this feel-good stronkkk piece is written by certain clown called Tyler Rogaway?

    It's just some news. If you want to be educated on the F-35, don't waste your time there.
    F-35s in Europe are now a reality, one that those 10 Su-35 Flankers that RuAF plans to get through 2017 will hardly address.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:10 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Also, I haven't clicked on the link but since this is the thedrive.com I will assume this feel-good stronkkk piece is written by certain clown called Tyler Rogaway?

    It's just some news. If you want to be educated on the F-35, don't waste your time there.
    F-35s in Europe are now a reality, one that those 10 Su-35 Flankers that RuAF plans to get through 2017 will hardly address.

    That reality would be addressed by systems that have wheels not wings.

    Age of dogfigts ended with Vietnam.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:19 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Also, I haven't clicked on the link but since this is the thedrive.com I will assume this feel-good stronkkk piece is written by certain clown called Tyler Rogaway?

    It's just some news. If you want to be educated on the F-35, don't waste your time there.
    F-35s in Europe are now a reality, one that those 10 Su-35 Flankers that RuAF plans to get through 2017 will hardly address.

    That reality would be addressed by systems that have wheels not wings.

    Age of dogfigts ended with Vietnam.

    I guess that's why the ABM shield bases in Romania and Poland have caused so much concern.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:06 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Also, I haven't clicked on the link but since this is the thedrive.com I will assume this feel-good stronkkk piece is written by certain clown called Tyler Rogaway?
    Give us some credit, I don't post links to the Drive unless the article is OK.
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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:01 am

    Age of dogfigts ended with Vietnam.

    Actually the dogfight has become rather more critical than ever before.

    In the modern age with sophisticated self defence suites telling the pilots when they are under attack and by what and also dealing with most threats on their own most AAMs are not going to get the job done... at the end of the day the ability of the aircraft to turn and fight with shells rather than missiles will determine who comes home and who does not.


    Obviously very bad news for the F-35...

    I guess that's why the ABM shield bases in Romania and Poland have caused so much concern.

    The ABM shield in Romania and Poland is a concern because it directly violates the INF treaty... it is a ground based cruise missile launcher and the ABM component is directed against Russian missiles and not those of Iran or North Korea... or Syria.



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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:19 pm

    Six F-35A Lightning II belonging to the 34th FS from Hill Air Force Base, Utah, have arrived at RAF Lakenheath.

    On Apr. 15, the F-35A 14-5094/HL, 14-5096/HL, 14-5096/HL, 14-5097/HL, 14-5102/HL, 14-5098/HL and 14-5072/HL arrived at Royal Air Force Lakenheath, England, for the first overseas training deployment to Europe of the U.S. Air Force’s Joint Strike Fighter.

    The aircraft belong to the 34th Fighter Squadron, 388th Fighter Wing and the Air Force Reserve’s 466th Fighter Squadron, 419th Fighter Wing, Hill Air Force Base, Utah, and will conduct air training over the next several weeks with other Europe-based aircraft in support of the European Reassurance Initiative.

    The transatlantic flight was supported by Air Mobility Command and the 100th Air Refueling Wing, from RAF Mildenhall, England. Multiple air refueling aircraft from four different bases offloaded more than 400,000 pounds of fuel during the “tanker bridge” from the United States to Europe, according to the U.S. Air Force. C-17 and C-5 aircraft moved airlift support, moving maintenance equipment and personnel.

    “RAF Lakenheath will be the first overseas beddown location for the F-35A, this deployment allows our pilots and maintainers to learn more about the European operating environment and will improve our interoperability with partners in the region” said Gen. Tod D. Wolters, U.S. Air Forces in Europe, Air Forces Africa commander in a USAF release.

    Interestingly, as done by USAF combat planes deployed to Europe as part of Theater Security Packages (TSPs), the F-35s will forward deploy to NATO nations to maximize training opportunities, build partnerships with allied air forces and gain a broad familiarity of Europe’s diverse operating conditions.


    Photos at link

    https://theaviationist.com/2017/04/16/here-are-first-u-s-air-force-f-35as-landing-at-raf-lakenheath-for-their-first-european-deployment/
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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  Militarov on Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Age of dogfigts ended with Vietnam.

    Actually the dogfight has become rather more critical than ever before.

    In the modern age with sophisticated self defence suites telling the pilots when they are under attack and by what and also dealing with most threats on their own most AAMs are not going to get the job done... at the end of the day the ability of the aircraft to turn and fight with shells rather than missiles will determine who comes home and who does not.


    Obviously very bad news for the F-35...

    I guess that's why the ABM shield bases in Romania and Poland have caused so much concern.

    The ABM shield in Romania and Poland is a concern because it directly violates the INF treaty... it is a ground based cruise missile launcher and the ABM component is directed against Russian missiles and not those of Iran or North Korea... or Syria.


    Actually cannon is becoming more of a legacy in dogfight, dogfight with IR missiles is what we have been seeing last 3 decades in local conflicts. In visual range combat is a dogfight by definition, however it changed from what we imagine when someone says dogfight and we remember WW2 and WW1, that time is long gone.

    However maneuvering in 20-25km a square is far from gone, majority of air to air kills actually were from less than 40km range though last 3 decades and if aware of your presence oponent can force you into IR dance which is dogfight of this era.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:39 am

    Actually cannon is becoming more of a legacy in dogfight, dogfight with IR missiles is what we have been seeing last 3 decades in local conflicts.

    IR guided missiles are very capable but the next generation aircraft will have DIRCMS and even anti missile missiles... ie their own IIR guided missiles will be able to shoot down enemy missiles... and what happens then...

    Local conflicts usually consist of one superpower vs third world country that might or might not even have an air force so to speak.

    When talking about the future of air combat even poor countries can afford modern missiles and have modern self defence systems to a degree.



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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:50 am

    Was going to say that active defense systems similar to what is on tanks, could be integrated in the future on fighter jets and would be actually a cheap alternative to than having the plane just get shot down. Might be crude but once those missiles run out, maneuverability and aircrafts gun will be a blessing.

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:03 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Was going to say that active defense systems similar to what is on tanks, could be integrated in the future on fighter jets and would be actually a cheap alternative to than having the plane just get shot down.  Might be crude but once those missiles run out, maneuverability and aircrafts gun will be a blessing.
    Once an F-35 has fired its small load of AAM its a potential sitting duck for a proper gun armed dogfighter. It could try to outrun it Smile
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:12 pm

    Morfei is a small IIR guided missile with a lock on after launch capability so it can be fired from a weapon pylon on an aircraft or from the closed launch bay of a stealth fighter... or bomber for that matter.

    It will also be used in a vertical launch tube from a ship as a CIWS as the last line of defence for ships.

    There will also be an Army version.

    Imagine an Su-35 going up against several F-35s... the Su-35 will have an AESA radar to jam radar homing missiles with pure brute force... a 20kw peak power radar beam directly into the nose of an AMRAAM will blow its mind.

    DIRCMs will defeat even the most sophisticated IIR seeker. Morfei missiles can deal with anything else the F-35 can deliver except cannon shells.

    Once the F-35s have run out of missiles that leaves a turning fight with the Flankers... my money would be on the Flankers to be honest.

    Either way both aircraft have the countermeasures to defeat each others missiles... the F-35 has neither the speed or manouver capability to escape the Flanker... and it carries... what... 6 AAMs?


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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:09 pm


    The F-35 Just Got $1.7 Billion More Expensive

    http://warisboring.com/the-f-35-just-got-1-7-billion-more-expensive/


    I am not the one to jump on bandwagons or anything but for overrun costs alone they could have upgraded F-22, restart it's production, buy as many as they need and still have enough cash to purchase small naval fleet... Neutral
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu May 18, 2017 7:48 am

    these exercises are hilarious. They cant use majority of their sensors in some cases and most of the jets available are not really all that great at dog fighting. Let alone, the F-35 lacks that option almost altogether.

    It is always skewed.

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    Is f 35 capabile to dogfight

    Post  moskit on Mon May 22, 2017 8:39 am

    https://fightersweep.com/6305/can-the-f-35-dogfight/. Realistic??
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    Post  GarryB on Tue May 23, 2017 10:49 am

    DAS is part of DIRCMS... MiG-35s and Su-35s will have that as well as PAK FA.

    Networked information sharing is also part of the package... will it really be that different having an F-35 provide information on targets compared with now where JSTARS and AWACS provides the same info?

    Really don't think these are things that will save an F-35 when missiles are flying... at the end of the day fighters kill with AAMs and cannon... sophisticated aircraft can stop missiles most of the time so against a third world country the F-35 will be fine... but against China or Russia or India for that matter they will find they are dogfighting with a real gun fighter and more likely than not they will be in trouble because they are not faster or longer ranged than the later model Flankers let alone anything 5th gen, so they can't even run away properly.


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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:50 pm

    Tim Robinson‏ @RAeSTimR 12h12 hours ago

    Amazing pic of 8th & final UK MBDA ASRAAM test firing from Paveway IV armed F-35B at Pax River #avgeek (via http://f35.com )


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    Post  nomadski on Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:06 pm


    Nice photo of f35 . Looks like staged photo . To " show " agility of missile . In reality plane went to steep dive with after burner on , to gain speed . Then fired missile . And pulled up at the same time . This create illusion that missile has great agility and small turning radius . You can tell by missile exhaust . It was fired higher and steeper angle .
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    Post  George1 on Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:46 pm

    More Troubles: US Air Force Grounds 55 F-35s as Pilots Suffer Oxygen Deprivation

    A total of 55 F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters were grounded after five incidents in which pilots experienced symptoms of oxygen deprivation.

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — The US Air Force has been forced to halt flights of 55 F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters after five pilots suffered oxygen deprivation in problems with their air supply systems, according to US media reports.

    "The US Air Force has grounded 55 of its F-35 Joint Strike Fighters at Arizona’s Luke Air Force base following five incidents in which pilots experienced symptoms of oxygen deprivation," Defense One reported on Friday.

    US Air Force F-35s had previously been grounded in September 2016 as fight operations had to be suspended after a discovery that electrical lines in their fuel tanks had cracked, the report noted.

    The pilots "reported physiological incidents while flying," but a reserve oxygen system was activated so they could return to base safely, US Air Force spokesman Captain Mark Graff told Defense One in an email.

    Graff also stated in the email that the aircraft should be back in the air on Monday.

    The F-35 program is scheduled to cost more than $1 trillion making it the most expensive aircraft and weapons program in history and the plane has been repeatedly dogged by systems breakdowns and failures.

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201706101054500242-us-f35-oxygen-deprivation/


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    Post  Godric on Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:26 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Tim Robinson‏ @RAeSTimR 12h12 hours ago

    Amazing pic of 8th & final UK MBDA ASRAAM test firing from Paveway IV armed F-35B at Pax River #avgeek (via http://f35.com )



    loses stealth ability the moment it has hard points and external munitions ... so what is the point of having stealth ?? the internal weapons bay in the F-35s are extremely limited
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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  Isos on Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:32 pm

    The F-35 just flow at the Paris air show !! I saw it in live from my window and I'm sure now it's truely a big Pig Very Happy Laughing No need radar to see it Laughing Laughing

    More seriously, from the side it is hard to see it (and it was sunny without any cloud) but from the bottom when turning you can see it easily. The Su-35 was here in 2013 and I can say that the F-35 is louder than the Su-35 while Rafale is even more.

    In terms of manoeuvrability, well, it's a pig. Needed all the space allowed to turn while Rafale and Su-35 does anything they want.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:00 pm

    Nice comparison rafale/f-35

    https://defenseissues.net/2015/09/11/dassault-rafale-vs-f-35/

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