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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:15 am

    A bit more cold water

    Pentagon's top weapons tester doubts F-35A capabilities 24 August, 2016 BY: Leigh Giangreco

    A recent memo from the Pentagon’s top weapons tester throws cold water on the US Air Force’s initial operational capability announcement earlier this month, which declared the Lockheed Martin F-35A equipped with Block 3i software could provide basic capabilities.

    Instead, the director of Operational Test and Evaluation argues in a scathing 9 August memo that many significant limitations remain on the aircraft.

    “The program is actually not on a path toward success, but instead on a path toward failing to deliver the full Block 3F capabilities for which the Department is paying almost $400 billion by the scheduled end of System Development and Demonstration (SDD) in 2018,” Michael Gilmore writes. “If used in combat, the F-35 in the Block 3i configuration, which is equivalent in capabilities to Block 2B, will need support to locate and avoid modem threats, acquire targets, and engage formations of enemy fighter aircraft due to outstanding performance deficiencies and limited weapons carriage available.”

    Meanwhile, the F-35 Joint Program Office remains confident that the capability gaps will be fixed on the aircraft in time and under the current budget parameters. In an email statement, Lt Gen Chris Bogdan, executive officer of the joint programme office, stated development and technical challenges are to be expected, but that the office is acting on DOT&E's recommendations. Lockheed Martin F-35 spokesman Mark Johnson concurred with the JPO, stating SDD will complete in late 2017.

    "There were absolutely no surprises in the recent memo from the DOT&E," Bogdan says. "All of the issues mentioned are well-known to the F-35 JPO, the U.S. services, international partners and our industry team.The JPO continues to provide DOT&E with our full cooperation and unfettered access to information."


    Much more at https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pentagons-top-weapons-tester-doubts-f-35a-capabilit-428786/

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    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:06 am

    F-35A Catches Fire Before Takeoff During Training Mission


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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  Airman on Wed Nov 02, 2016 5:33 pm

    Turkey expects first F-35 delivery in 2018, plans more orders

    Turkey expects to take delivery of its first Lockheed Martin Corp F-35A fighter jets in 2018 and has decided to order a second batch, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries said on Oct. 28.

    It did not say how many more of the fighter jets it planned to order but two U.S. officials familiar with the matter, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters the second batch would comprise 24 jets.

    The Undersecretariat said it expected the new orders to be delivered in 2021 and 2022. Its statement was released after a meeting of its executive committee chaired by Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım.

    Lockheed is building three variants of the F-35 for the U.S. military and 10 countries that plan to buy the jets: Britain, Australia, Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Italy, Turkey, Israel, Japan and South Korea.

    A Lockheed representative said the company is "honored" by Turkey's continued commitment to the F-35 program which was further demonstrated by the decision by the DIEC on Oct. 29.

    The U.S. portion of the program alone is expected to cost $379 billion. A total of 3,000 of the jets are to go into service around the world in coming years.

    Turkey had placed its first orders in 2014 with two jets and has added another four to that in 2015, according to the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries website. It aims to eventually purchase a total of 100, it said.

    Turkey expects first F-35 delivery in 2018, plans more orders

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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:05 pm

    Airman wrote:Turkey expects first F-35 delivery in 2018, plans more orders

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    Airman you are from Turkey, can you tell us what is overall opinion of these airplanes and their acquisition among Turkish folk?

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    Post  Airman on Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:23 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Airman wrote:Turkey expects first F-35 delivery in 2018, plans more orders

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    Airman you are from Turkey, can you tell us what is overall opinion of these airplanes and their acquisition among Turkish folk?

    Turkish people generally doesn't follow the defense industry. Defense industry followers in Turkey supports the F-35 purchase but we have a problem about F-35. America doesnt give us the F-35's source code. We need this code to use Turkish made weapons on the F-35 and other things.

    Turkey, like other partner nations, has complained about the United States refusal to share the software source code for the F-35.[182][183] On 24 March 2011 Turkey announced it is placing its order for 100 jets on hold due to the ongoing source code refusal issue. Defense Minister Vecdi Gönül said that the negotiations for access to the F-35 source codes, including codes that can be used to control the aircraft remotely, had not yielded "satisfactory results" and that under these conditions Turkey could not accept the aircraft. wrote:

    Lockheed Martin and Roketsan made a deal to develop the SOM-J Missile for the F-35 Program. So We can use SOM Cruise Missile on the F-35. However, We are still wanting this code but America doesn't want to give us.

    Result: We mostly support F-35 purchases.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:59 pm

    Airman wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Airman wrote:Turkey expects first F-35 delivery in 2018, plans more orders

    ........................

    Airman you are from Turkey, can you tell us what is overall opinion of these airplanes and their acquisition among Turkish folk?

    Turkish people generally doesn't follow the defense industry. Defense industry followers in Turkey supports the F-35 purchase but we have a problem about F-35. America doesnt give us the F-35's source code. We need this code to use Turkish made weapons on the F-35 and other things.

    Turkey, like other partner nations, has complained about the United States refusal to share the software source code for the F-35.[182][183] On 24 March 2011 Turkey announced it is placing its order for 100 jets on hold due to the ongoing source code refusal issue. Defense Minister Vecdi Gönül said that the negotiations for access to the F-35 source codes, including codes that can be used to control the aircraft remotely, had not yielded "satisfactory results" and that under these conditions Turkey could not accept the aircraft. wrote:

    Lockheed Martin and Roketsan made a deal to develop the SOM-J Missile for the F-35 Program. So We can use SOM Cruise Missile on the F-35. However, We are still wanting this code but America doesn't want to give us.

    Result: We mostly support F-35 purchases.

    Are you not worried about the "backdoors" built in to US airplane software? Some 2-3 years ago, a very credible report came out from Egypt that the software built in to their F-16's had numerous backdoors which made them vulnerable to sabotage. A possible scenario would be that if the Camp David Accords were to collapse, and with a potential Egypt-Israel conflict on the horizon, that those backdoors could be used to give the Israelis a distinct advantage, hence that is the reason why the Egyptian Air Force has ordered several dozen modern derivatives of the Mig-29 to hedge their bets.

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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  Airman on Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:02 am

    Yes, I'm worried. However, we don't have a choice.

    We have the F-16 and F-4's source codes. So we can use Turkish made weapon on those aircrafts. An Engineer from Aselsan said ''We developed National Software for the F-16 and F-4s. If the Software is not under your control, sometimes you can not hit the targets you want.''

    We are still using USA GPS system. I think that's an another problem for us. We are working on a Turkish made satellite navigation system. Called ''Regional Positioning and Timing System Project''

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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:06 pm

    The United Kingdom has been chosen by the US F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) to become the repair hub for European-based Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II stealth multirole fighters, the UK Defense Ministry said Monday.
    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201611071047150537-uk-f35-service/


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:17 pm

    George1 wrote:
    The United Kingdom has been chosen by the US F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) to become the repair hub for European-based Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II stealth multirole fighters, the UK Defense Ministry said Monday.
    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201611071047150537-uk-f35-service/

    So much for Brexit.

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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  Godric on Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:10 pm

    another F-35 catches fire this time in mid flight

    http://www.businessinsider.de/marine-f-35-fighter-fire-2016-11?r=US&IR=T

    An F-35B Joint Strike Fighter caught fire while in-flight during a training exercise last month, according to a report from Hope Hodge Seck of Military.com.

    The incident was listed by the Naval Safety Center as a "Class A Mishap" — the most serious mishap class — which means that there was $2 million or more in damage. The Safety Center's report said the fire occurred in the aircraft's weapons bay on Oct. 27, and was followed by an "uneventful landing."
    etc etc etc

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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  Militarov on Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:03 pm



    First ever F-35 Hot-loading

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    Post  Militarov on Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:05 pm



    AN/ASQ 239 EWS

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    Post  Militarov on Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:08 pm

    Dr. Michael Gilmor report on F-35 project for US Congress:

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3035572-DOT-amp-E-AF-IOC-Memo.html#document/p4/a316106

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    Post  Militarov on Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:43 pm



    FLIR Systems thermal imaging vs F-35

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    Post  Militarov on Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:47 pm



    From the testings, notice at 3:49 during launch, pilot helmet is the detail you should look at

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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:24 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    FLIR Systems thermal imaging vs F-35
    Interesting hot spot by the pilot's feet.

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:55 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    FLIR Systems thermal imaging vs F-35
    Interesting hot spot by the pilot's feet.

    http://lockheedmartin.com/eots

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:25 am

    Militarov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    FLIR Systems thermal imaging vs F-35
    Interesting hot spot by the pilot's feet.

    http://lockheedmartin.com/eots

    Range? Wink

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:18 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    FLIR Systems thermal imaging vs F-35
    Interesting hot spot by the pilot's feet.

    http://lockheedmartin.com/eots

    Range? Wink  

    Range of what, Thermal imager or EOTS Smile?

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:26 am

    Militarov wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    FLIR Systems thermal imaging vs F-35
    Interesting hot spot by the pilot's feet.

    http://lockheedmartin.com/eots

    Range? Wink  

    Range of what, Thermal imager or EOTS Smile?

    The latter.

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:38 am

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    The latter.

    Not much is known, however they claimed it can detect aircraft from "behind" with afterburners on at the ranges up to 160km few years ago.[/quote]

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    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:40 am

    We went aboard USS America during USMC F-35B Proof Of Concept Sea Trials

    Nov 25 2016


    F-35Bs from USMC VMFA-211 & VMX-1 on the deck of the USS America (LHA-6) during Carrier capability proof of concept demonstration November 19, 2016.



    https://theaviationist.com/2016/11/25/we-went-aboard-uss-america-during-usmc-f-35b-proof-of-concept-sea-trials/

    More sweet photos in the link.

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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:13 am

    For the First Time Ever, the F-35B Takes-Off at Sea With Full Weapons Load and Drops Live-Bombs



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    For the first time in history, the F-35B took off from a ship with a full-load of weapons. Integrating the F-35B will change tactics on-board amphibious assault ships. The Marine Corps F-35B Short-Take-Off-and-Vertical-Landing Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter took off from a Navy amphibious assault ship for the first time with a full load of weapons -- in preparation for its planned deployment in 2018.

    The aircraft flew from the Navy's first America-Class Amphibious Assault Ship, the USS America, to Yuma Proving Grounds, Ariz., where it dropped live precision guided weapons on mock targets in the desert. The F-35B dropped laser-guided GBU 12s and  satellite-guided GBU 32s as part of the exercise; the ordance team aboard the USS America assembled 72-GBU 12s and 40-GBU 32s aboar the ship, Marine Corps officials said.

    "Laser-guided bomb (LGB) kits consist of a computer control group and air foil group normally attached to a general-purpose bomb to form an LGB. The dual mode, laser-guided kit enhances existing LGB kits by adding GPS/inertial navigation system capabilities," a Navy statement from Chief Petty Officer John Scorza said.

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-first-time-ever-the-f-35b-takes-sea-full-weapons-load-18548

    It’s been a topsy-turvy few weeks for the F-35 program

    By Christian Davenport
    November 29 at 7:00 AM

    It’s been a topsy-turvy month for the Pentagon’s most expensive weapons program. Last week, Canadian officials said they were in talks to buy 18 F/A-18 Super Hornets from Boeing as a stopgap measure while they conduct a review to determine what fighter jets the U.S. ally will buy en masse to replace its fleet. The decision dealt a blow to Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, which now will have to compete for the business of a country that had once signed up to buy as many as 65 of the stealthy, next-generation aircraft. Then on Sunday, the F-35 program received a bit of good news when Israel approved the purchase of an additional 17 jets.

    ...

    Preparations are being made to ramp up production. The Pentagon has declared that two of the three versions of the planes — the Air Force and Marine Corps variants — are ready for combat. The aircraft recently completed tests on the West Coast. And early next year, the Marine Corps plans to deploy its version of the F-35, which can land vertically and take off on a short runway, to Japan.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/11/29/its-been-a-topsy-turvy-few-weeks-for-the-f-35-program/

    The F-35 Just Aced a Big Test and Became Much More Dangerous



    By Patrick Tucker, Oilprice.com
    November 25, 2016

    The F-35 now packs more punch: specifically, the 20-foot Standard Missile, or SM-6, complete with a 140-pound warhead. But not fired from under the wing — rather from a nearby Aegis destroyer. In September, the Marines completed a proof-of-concept test in which a Marine Corps F-35B  detected a cruise-missile decoy (a drone), passed targeting information to a remote sensor, and set up a shot by an Aegis combat system of the sort you’ll find on modern destroyers. A battery controlled by the Aegis fired a live SM-6 missile, which took down the drone.

    “It was a metal-on-metal engagement from a significant range. I would say more than a tactically significant range. It was a very, very impressive shot to see,” Lt. Col. Richard “BC” Rusnok told reporters aboard the amphibious assault ship America, where the Marines are conducting tests with the vertical-lift F-35B. The test took place at White Sands, New Mexico, aboard the USS Desert Ship facility that the Navy uses for missile tests there.

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/11/25/F-35-Just-Aced-Big-Test-and-Became-Much-More-Dangerous

    F-35 begins integrated training with F-16 at Luke



    By Airman 1st Class Ridge Shan, 56th Fighter Wing Public Affairs
    Published November 29, 2016

    LUKE AIR FORCE BASE, Ariz. (AFNS) -- In October, pilots of the 56th Fighter Wing began flying integrated direct support practice sorties in the F-35A Lightning II and the F-16 Fighting Falcon for the first time as a regular component of the training curriculum at Luke Air Force Base.

    The integrated training comes as part of the next step in the development of F-35 training and tactics, and helps pilots become efficient in conducting futuristic mission sets and aerial combat scenarios involving both fourth and fifth-generation fighter jets.

    “The F-35 has reached a point where we can do both our continuation and upgrade training to a level where integration will benefit both fourth- and fifth-generation pilots,” said Col. David Shoemaker, the 56th Fighter Wing vice commander. “We are now flying dedicated sorties every day to train in F-16 and F-35 integrated direct support.”

    The integrated training accomplishes two major training goals, first in exposing F-35 pilots to air-to-air combat scenarios against fourth-generation aircraft capable of mimicking adversaries that pilots would realistically face on today’s battlefields, and second in providing F-35 and F-16 pilots with experience in carrying out joint strike missions.

    http://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/1014362/f-35-begins-integrated-training-with-f-16-at-luke.aspx

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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:03 am

    Wow, ...can act as a UAV and pass target data to a ship so the ship can shoot down targets.... amazing.

    So if they spent a fraction of the money they have spent on the F-35 and used that to buy an F-18 that can fly further and faster than an F-35 and can also detect cruise missiles and pass target data to ship... oops no... that might not cost anywhere near as much and no one would make an embarrassing amount of money...


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