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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:45 am

    @Nemrod: the future Sukhoi T-50 will be the best of BRICS.

    Because nobody has ever put the 10-metre L-band radar on the fighter like T-50.

    One advantage of AESA radar is that, it is not restricted by the traditional radar surface, but people can put the radar on the aerodynamic surface of the airplane.

    And that's why T-50 can have a 10 meter L-band radar.

    But F-22 put the AESA radar on the same surface of PESA Laughing Laughing Laughing

    And F-22 stealth cover cannot escape the ground radio stations of Russia which use a very long wavelength.
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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:12 am

    It is known that the PAK FA will get stealthy pod mounted sensors for ground attack missions.

    Most CAS missions are not really suited to stealth aircraft, though the new 5th gen stealthy CAS aircraft they are developing will be custom designed for the role unlike the F-35.


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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  Battalion0415 on Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:25 pm

    No F-35 to Greece, Germany and Spain of this forums. Bad for this nation's.

    Greece and Spain will buy others and Germany have soon only Eurofighter's.
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    Post  Battalion0415 on Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:38 pm

    F-35 to United States and Sweden I hoped.

    20 to richest in nordic like Scandinavia in english.

    We do not have bigger in Sweden.

    Maybe 70 Gripen C/D in today.

    2 division's in Norrland and one in Saternas.
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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  Battalion0415 on Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:33 am

    Only 240 F-35 to USA.

    5+12 = 17 division's with Super Hornets and F-35.
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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:29 am

    F-35s that have been delivered to USAF, USMC, USN are only for test and training purposes??
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    Post  Kyo on Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:07 am

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:23 am

    Except that only 4,5,7 and 8 are usable most of the time to retain stealth... and 6 is not a store location is it?

    When not being stealthy the locations 3 and 9 will most likely almost always carry external fuel tanks.


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    Post  Kyo on Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:21 am

    GarryB wrote:Except that only 4,5,7 and 8 are usable most of the time to retain stealth... and 6 is not a store location is it?

    When not being stealthy the locations 3 and 9 will most likely almost always carry external fuel tanks.

    This is just a propaganda sheet of the attack variant. For WVR combat the AF variant is extremely bulky and its performance is moreover limited by having only a single engine, with a reduced T/W ratio.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:15 am

    The design was basically compromised for VSTOL, which reduces the performance of all the non VSTOL versions...

    It should be a 5th gen light stealthy F-16. It has ended up more like the AV-8 II... a more limited aircraft.... not a bad one... just not as good as it could be.


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    Post  Kyo on Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:04 pm

    F-35 blueprints hacked by China: Snowden
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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  nemrod on Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:01 pm

    Kyo wrote:F-35 blueprints hacked by China: Snowden

    The usual argument. If chineses do something comparable to US, it is because of ...they copy it. How little yellows could do that other than copy the civilization ?
    In fact american establishment is fondamentaly rascist, arrogant, and true uglies. Those who copy the most are americans, those who steal the most are americans, the only one who loot other countries are US. But, when they do that, they are right, because they do only in the goal to save the democraty, and human rights, women rights.
    If you tell me the J-15, J-16 are copies of SU-27, indeed, it is true. If you said me the J-10 is a copy of the Mig-29, yes, it is somewhat a version of copy.
    About the F-35 and the F-22, where is the problem, the JSF is a momunental setback in the aircrafts' history, and the F-22 is far to be US staff  expected. Chineses, russians managed to avoid tragic US errors. It seems it is a successfully road, american's establishement again is jealous.
    When I was younger, I grew up with the idea that soviets lacked of technologies, all their technologies are a mere ironsmith. Soviet could not create, but could only steal US technologies. This is the sad stupidies what we were taught during 50's to 80's. Nevertheless, decades after, thanks to Internet, near all US hardware were crushed during most of the conflicts by the so-called soviet-ironsmith. Furthermore, US hardwares were often outclassed by soviet technologies. Nevertheleess, we had to believe those who control the media, those who brought you informations.
    And now, we could easily expect that the F-35, as their famous F-22 will be surely the next sitting duck of the J-11, j-15, j-16, j-20, j-31. As there were the case for  the Phantom II, and F-105, against Mig-17, Mig-19, Mig-21.
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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:26 pm

    In fact the U.S. has copied many things.

    F-15 is a copy of MiG-25, but with increased ground attack capability and decreased air-to-air combat.

    F-16 is a copy of Ye-8, but with no canard, simplified air inhale, and fly-by-wire techs. It went to Israel and became Lavi, then Lavi went to China and became J-10. Due to military sanction, China had to bought avionics devices and others from Russia, the country who created the original Ye-8.

    And in an ironic twist of history, Ye-8 departed from Russia and went back to Russia to be improved.

    EU Typhoon is a more modern and complicated copy of Ye-8, too.

    For Russia, AK-47's bolt of Russia is copied from M1 Garand. However, AK bolt lugs are very big compared to M1 Garand, so that the AK bolt can withstand a much better force.

    The problem here is we have to move upward based on the shoulder of our predecessors. So copying is not really a bad thing. The things here is how we improve and modify it.
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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  Kyo on Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:33 pm

    China dismisses allegations of F-35 data theft
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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:17 pm

    Kyo wrote:China dismisses allegations of F-35 data theft

    Funny, americunts accusing china of theft of F-35 technology where the US stole YAK-141 engine technology.
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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  VladimirSahin on Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:40 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Kyo wrote:China dismisses allegations of F-35 data theft

    Funny, americunts accusing china of theft of F-35 technology where the US stole YAK-141 engine technology.

    Honestly I am glad to have people like you, Once I see a comment like that it really refreshes my mind from the ignorant posts I see all around the internet...
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    Post  Manov on Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:51 am

    Regarding the picture above (loadout), what about range? with that load it must have a very near airbase or some tankers, Dont like it a single bit. Stealth doing CAS...it just meh. Or you use it like a F-117 or is just a hugely expensive F-16 cheers
    But i guess everyone knows that by now
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:52 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Kyo wrote:China dismisses allegations of F-35 data theft

    Funny, americunts accusing china of theft of F-35 technology where the US stole YAK-141 engine technology.

    The damning fact that the Pro-NATO trolls on F-16 and MP.net forums can wrap their peanut sized brains around... lol1 russia
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:13 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Kyo wrote:China dismisses allegations of F-35 data theft

    Funny, americunts accusing china of theft of F-35 technology where the US stole YAK-141 engine technology.

    How did it steal it?

    Working together=/= stealing.
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:14 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Kyo wrote:China dismisses allegations of F-35 data theft

    Funny, americunts accusing china of theft of F-35 technology where the US stole YAK-141 engine technology.

    How did it steal it?

    Working together=/= stealing.
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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:31 am

    Well it is known that the US bought technology regarding vectored thrust on a large powerful engine for the F-35 because no western company had experience with vectored thrust nozzles that could handle a powerful engine in full AB.

    All through the cold war however the US was trying as desperately to steal Soviet technology as the Soviets were to steal US technology.

    In fact the US continues to use these same methods to spy on Russian and ex Soviet and Chinese and also from Americas allies.

    BTW just because the Chinese stole information about the F-35 it doesn't mean they will make one... they might just use the information to find weaknesses their own designs can exploit.


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    Re: F-35 Development and News Thread:

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:32 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Kyo wrote:China dismisses allegations of F-35 data theft

    Funny, americunts accusing china of theft of F-35 technology where the US stole YAK-141 engine technology.

    How did it steal it?

    Working together=/= stealing.

    Working together during the 90's with YAK company untill the point where US got all information and technology needed to do it themselfs and than afterwards dropping YAK from the JSF engine programm is stealing.

    If i use your work to the point it benefits me and drop you later that you can't benefit later is nothing else but stealing of technology.
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:33 pm

    Yak was not forced to share any data with LM.

    That is not what stealing is.

    Plus, they got some basic engine concepts from Yak, not an entire system. Yak's role in the F-35s propulsion is grossly overstated by some.
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:53 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Kyo wrote:China dismisses allegations of F-35 data theft

    Funny, americunts accusing china of theft of F-35 technology where the US stole YAK-141 engine technology.

    How did it steal it?

    Working together=/= stealing.

    No, but never giving a hint of credit in any way or form to prior achievements is still a low blow, and is typical of American propaganda (never outright lie, just withhold the truth). The only grudging respect I've heard Lockheed give was directed towards the Harrier. Outside of allied funding, they're extremely slow to talk about other country's participation, even when it comes to bedmates.

    Not that any country in its right mind should want association with this farce of a project, let alone Russia.
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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:04 am

    Not that any country in its right mind should want association with this farce of a project, let alone Russia.

    Well you hit the nail with a sledgehammer.

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