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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:42 am

    We are a bit spoiled with footage from Syria, where escort shots like that often show bomb drops... Smile

    Good to see a formal reaction to the US moving INF violating AEGIS Ashore systems to eastern europe...
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:04 pm

    a bit off from the running chat. but I am surprised that the Tu-22M was never sold/purchased to/by China or India especially as a maritime bomber both having large sea areas it would have been pretty good to have as anti shipping and Russia has loads of them.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:38 pm

    Isos wrote:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-crimea-bombers-idUSKCN1QZ1WV

    MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia has decided to deploy nuclear-capable Tupolev Tu-22M3 strategic bombers to the Crimean peninsula in response to the U.S. rolling out missile defense systems in Romania, the RIA news agency cited a senior Russian lawmaker as saying on Monday.



    looks like it' not happening

    Shamanov denied media information about the deployment of TU-22M3 bombers in Crimea

    The Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee stressed that a self-sufficient interspecific grouping of forces was currently formed in the Crimea, capable of repelling any attempts to attack the enemy.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:48 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:a bit off from the running chat. but I am surprised that the Tu-22M was never sold/purchased to/by China or India especially as a maritime bomber both having large sea areas it would have been pretty good to have as anti shipping and Russia has loads of them.  

    too advanced I suppose
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    Post  Isos on Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:23 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:a bit off from the running chat. but I am surprised that the Tu-22M was never sold/purchased to/by China or India especially as a maritime bomber both having large sea areas it would have been pretty good to have as anti shipping and Russia has loads of them.  

    I think china tried to get it and build its own version but russia never sold it. India bought tu-142 and il-38 for antishiping and antisub missions.

    Without the kh-22/55 it is useless as those are the only missile carried for antishiping. And russia will never sell them.

    The Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee stressed that a self-sufficient interspecific grouping of forces was currently formed in the Crimea, capable of repelling any attempts to attack the enemy.

    Tu-22 is not a weapon for reelling attcks Very Happy .
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    Post  Hole on Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:28 pm

    China tried to purchase some Tu-22M3´s in the 90´s but some "friends and partners" were against it and under Jelzin... Rolling Eyes No angry
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:13 am

    Well its primary role was heavy strike, and its main targets were land based major SAM sites, radar sites and HQs and comms centres.


    looks like it' not happening

    I suspect they want to keep that move up their sleeve in case the US starts placing ground based cruise and ballistic missiles in Poland and other lap dog states in eastern europe.

    It will add weight when Russia places Kinzhal capable Backfires and ground based intermediate ranged missiles in that area and in Russia facing the Ukraine...

    China tried to purchase some Tu-22M3´s in the 90´s but some "friends and partners" were against it and under Jelzin...

    China was keen to buy Tu-22M3 Backfires in the 1990s but only wanted two... I don't think Putin would have let the sale go forward either...

    Maybe if they wanted 50 it might have happened... remember they could have had inflight refuelling probes restored and I would think the Kh-22NA and Kh-22MA missiles could have been supplied too at that time with no issues, but just selling two it was pretty obvious they just wanted a detailed look and to take them apart and examine those engines...

    It would be dreadfully inefficient as a maritime patrol aircraft... it just burns too much fuel and it is not really suited to finding subs, but for sinking carriers with high speed missiles it is pretty impressive... especially if you can locate the targets for it using satellite or some other platform... some sort of HALE UAV perhaps...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:21 am

    GarryB wrote:I suspect they want to keep that move up their sleeve in case the US starts placing ground based cruise and ballistic missiles in Poland and other lap dog states in eastern europe.

    It will add weight when Russia places Kinzhal capable Backfires and ground based intermediate ranged missiles in that area and in Russia facing the Ukraine...

    Testing waters perhaps too. BTW Romanian ABM site is like 860km form Sevastopol, Polish Redzikowo is 350km form Kalinignrad. In Romanian case You dont need to leave Crimea to use Kinzhals...

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    Post  hoom on Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:18 am

    Shamanov denied media information about the deployment of TU-22M3 bombers in Crimea
    Didn't seem a sensible plan to me, you might launch above Crimea but you'd want to be at height & speed already ie take-off inland.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:59 am

    hoom wrote:
    Shamanov denied media information about the deployment of TU-22M3 bombers in Crimea
    Didn't seem a sensible plan to me, you might launch above Crimea but you'd want to be at height & speed already ie take-off inland.

    Crimea size is max distances 320 width 200 height It could be enough
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    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:17 am

    Russia’s Aerospace Force gets upgraded Tu-22M3 strategic bomber


    A bomber with a crew of four is designated to strike targets in the strategic depth of an enemy territory

    MOSCOW, March 29. /TASS/. The Tupolev Aircraft Company (part of the United Aircraft Corporation) has handed over the next upgraded Tu-22M3 strategic missile-carrying bomber to Russia’s Aerospace Force, the Tupolev press office reported on Friday.

    "The Tupolev Aircraft Company integrated into the United Aircraft Corporation announces the transfer of the next Tu-22M3 missile-carrying bomber for operation in the long-range aviation of Russia’s Aerospace Force after modifications under service bulletins," the company said in a statement.

    The bomber underwent some modifications at the Kazan Aviation Enterprise (a branch of the Tupolev Aircraft Company), the statement says.

    "All ground trials were successfully held on the aircraft at the flight testing station of the Kazan Aviation Enterprise. After its transfer to the customer, the plane made a flight to its base," according to the statement.

    A Tu-22M3 bomber with a crew of four is designated to strike targets in the strategic depth of an enemy territory. The bomber can develop a maximum speed of 2,300 km/h and has an operating range of 7,000 km.


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    Post  Austin on Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:13 pm

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    Post  jhelb on Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:36 am

    Austin wrote:Tu-22M3 Backfire , Air International Piotr Butowoski

    Hey Austin, weren't you guys supposed to purchase the Tu 22M3 ? There were some recent reports like this one

    https://www.rbth.com/economics/defence/2016/07/14/india-seeks-four-strategic-bombers-from-russia_611501

    Have these plans been shelved ?
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    Post  dino00 on Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:47 am

    Never heard of kh-32M, kh-mt was supposedly supersonic, it would be great if they bring back more tu-22
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    Post  Austin on Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:02 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Austin wrote:Tu-22M3 Backfire , Air International Piotr Butowoski

    Hey Austin, weren't you guys supposed to purchase the Tu 22M3 ? There were some recent reports like this one

    https://www.rbth.com/economics/defence/2016/07/14/india-seeks-four-strategic-bombers-from-russia_611501

    Have these plans been shelved ?

    Just media speculation nothing more much like we had S-300 operating for long time Laughing
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    Post  mnztr on Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:38 am

    I read the version for TU-22 will have a range of 3000km any info on this? I suppose it makes sense that if you are gonna make a booster stage for Kinzhal and the plane can already carry massive KH-32s you may as well put a huge fuel tank on it and add 1000 km range.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:53 am

    The flight radius of the Tu-22M3 would be about 3,500km, its flight range is about 7,000km but that would probably carrying a payload but not bringing back any payload however...

    I suppose it makes sense that if you are gonna make a booster stage for Kinzhal and the plane can already carry massive KH-32s you may as well put a huge fuel tank on it and add 1000 km range.

    I have speculated quite a bit about a booster stage for the kinzhal to allow it to be launched from slower lower flying aircraft like the Backfire (as opposed to the MiG-31), but have not read anything about them actually using one.

    Without any additional fuel or solid rocket booster stage added to it the lower flight speed and altitude of the Backfire would probably reduce the effective range of the Kinzhal by quite a bit... possibly even reduce its speed to mach 7 instead of mach 10 and range to 1,000-1,200km instead of 2,000km, but the Backfire, while much slower than the MiG, also has much better range so it could fly 2,500km out in to the pacific ocean from land bases in Russia and launch a 1,000km range missile at a range of naval targets... which would make it a very potent weapon anyway... even without modification.
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    Post  mnztr on Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:52 pm

    Yup I agree it would still be a very formidable weapon. With tankers accompanying the TUs and flying out to meet them the radius is staggering.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:09 am

    And with cold war agreements in tatters then you could reinstall the inflight refuelling system on them and get even better performance...
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    Post  Isos on Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:02 pm

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    Huge picture but I can't upload it from instagram. Enjoy ! And share if you can.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 01, 2019 5:38 am

    Put your mouse arrow on the image and a small box with a big fat arrow pointing down will appear in the top left of the photo... click on that to download the image to your computer. Look at the downloads list in your web browser to see where the image was saved (probably download folder on your computer) and view.
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    Post  Isos on Wed May 01, 2019 8:12 am

    GarryB wrote:Put your mouse arrow on the image and a small box with a big fat arrow pointing down will appear in the top left of the photo... click on that to download the image to your computer. Look at the downloads list in your web browser to see where the image was saved (probably download folder on your computer) and view.

    I know that. It's just you can't take the image from instagram. Right click on the image and save the image doesn't work.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 01, 2019 2:05 pm

    So why not left click the download link and download it to your computer and then click on the host image button and go to where the image was downloaded to and select it and upload it to the image hosting site and post the link here like this:

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    Which is how you are supposed to be posting photos to this forum... hot linking is bad.
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    Post  dino00 on Wed May 22, 2019 11:11 pm

    The future of sea missile carriers: Tu-22M or Su-34

    Transfer of long-range bombers to naval aviation may not be feasible.

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    Post  Isos on Thu May 23, 2019 12:00 am

    GarryB wrote:So why not left click the download link and download it to your computer and then click on the host image button and go to where the image was downloaded to and select it and upload it to the image hosting site and post the link here like this:

    Which is how you are supposed to be posting photos to this forum... hot linking is bad.

    That's how I usually do but on my smartphone I can't on instagram.

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