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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:08 am

    Don't really care what they call it... I just hope they give it the new production NK-32 engines and with development increase their thrust by quite a bit...

    The improvement in commonality with the Blackjack alone will help with costs just in being able to operate with one set of spare engine parts and training ground crews on one type of engine instead of two different engines doing practically the same job...
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    Post  mnztr on Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:51 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:"Significant expansion of combat potential": a modernized Tu-22M3M bomber made the first flight
    https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/588105-bombardirovschik-tu-22m3m-pervyi-polyot

    Hmm article calls the Kh-32 missle irrelevant.It actually seems like a very formidable weapon.
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    Post  hoom on Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:04 am

    Don't really care what they call it... I just hope they give it the new production NK-32 engines and with development increase their thrust by quite a bit...
    Agree.

    I hope they squared off that ECM antenna where the gun was.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:22 am

    When we first heard about it the Kh-32 sounded like a pretty fantastic missile... double the speed and double the range of the Kh-22M, but recently I have heard figures rather less impressive than that, but still it is a very impressive weapon.

    Its range is supposed to be 800-1,000km and a flight speed of mach 4.5 (so range is double but more like a 50% increase in speed).

    Of course it is a very large weapon and the new Gzur weapon with high speed flight (mach 6) and 1,500km range in a 1.5 ton missile that could be carried internally sounds very interesting too... I would think that two external Kh-32s and 6 internal Gzurs would be a very formidable armament.

    I think even the Kh-22M flying at 40km altitude at mach 3 for 400km is a potent weapon... Kh-32 would be even more so...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:32 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Of course it is a very large weapon and the new Gzur weapon with high speed flight (mach 6) and 1,500km range in a 1.5 ton missile that could be carried internally sounds very interesting too... I would think that two external Kh-32s and 6 internal Gzurs would be a very formidable armament.

    I think even the Kh-22M flying at 40km altitude at mach 3 for 400km is a potent weapon... Kh-32 would be even more so...

    Kh22 had very toxic fuel and was filled right before flight AFAIK. Not sure about Kh-32 but it is large heavy and unlikely carried with GZURS. First thing why: a different ranges, speeds and slows down and makes range shorter.

    After BMPD Kh-50 i planned 6 internally 2 externally. IMHO similar will be with GZURS.
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    Post  mnztr on Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:17 am

    GarryB wrote:When we first heard about it the Kh-32 sounded like a pretty fantastic missile... double the speed and double the range of the Kh-22M, but recently I have heard figures rather less impressive than that, but still it is a very impressive weapon.

    Its range is supposed to be 800-1,000km and a flight speed of mach 4.5 (so range is double but more like a 50% increase in speed).

    Of course it is a very large weapon and the new Gzur weapon with high speed flight (mach 6) and 1,500km range in a 1.5 ton missile that could be carried internally sounds very interesting too... I would think that two external Kh-32s and 6 internal Gzurs would be a very formidable armament.

    I think even the Kh-22M flying at 40km altitude at mach 3 for 400km is a potent weapon... Kh-32 would be even more so...

    800 to 1000 km at mach 4.5 is a very formiidable weapon. But I suppose the reality is Kinzhal is faster, about the same range in a much smaller package and much cheaper to produce. Perhaps that is why KH-32 is irrelevant and will not really be carried over for the M3M. It will probably hang around until the upgraded plane is avail and to arm some older planes that are not upgraded, but the new kit will get the new missiles. Now that I think about it, it kinda makes sense.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:21 am

    The Kh-32 is one of the victims of the 90´s. Its service introduction was at least ten years late. It was overturned by new developments. But it is still a formidable weapon.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:12 pm

    The upgraded long-range Tu-22M3M bombers will maintain their previous range.

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    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3495463.html
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:26 pm

    George1 wrote:The upgraded long-range Tu-22M3M bombers will maintain their previous range.

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    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3495463.html

    So kh-32 and kh-50 wont be nuclear?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:37 am

    dino00 wrote: So kh-32 and kh-50 wont be nuclear?

    Kh-32 is aero-ballistic not CM, Kh-50 might not need to be nuke tipped. Tu-95 can carry lot Kh-102 with much longer rnge.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:02 am

    So kh-32 and kh-50 wont be nuclear?

    With that sort of flight speed they wouldn't need nuclear warheads.

    The upgraded long-range Tu-22M3M bombers will maintain their previous range.

    So perhaps they will expand their payload potential and make them heavier to keep the range down?

    The inflight refuelling probe suggests any range they want...


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    Post  Hole on Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:39 am

    The limitations are from a time as Russia had 150+ strategic and around 1.000 medium range bombers. Today it´s around 70 strategic and 60 - 80 medium range bombers. Even if all Tu-22M3M´s would be re-registered as strategic bombers they won´t reach the old levels.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:21 pm

    All their potential targets r reachable w/o refueling from Russia & Syria. Once in Venezuela/Cuba, they won't need it there either, bringing USN CSGs off Norfolk in their cross hairs as soon as they go 12nmi offshore!
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    Post  Hole on Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:26 pm

    Yeah, but IFR means it can carry 24 tons of weapons and still reach a combat radius of 4.000km.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:46 pm

    Please list potential targets that far away from RuAF bases & which need so many weapons dropped on them. Syria bound large scale air raids r over. https://theaviationist.com/2016/08/16/russian-tu-22-bombers-deploy-to-iran-and-launch-first-air-strikes-on-isis-in-syria/

    Big naval surface targets can be disabled by long range anti radiation ALCMs. IRPs add flexibility but they r not that essential most of the time.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:26 pm

    Let´s start with 10 cruise missiles = attack 10 targets simultanesly.

    At the moment the Tu-22M3 is limited to 2.200km. It could carry only 12 250kg bombs in attacks in Syria. With IFR it could carry a full load and stay in the air much longer to attack much more targets as requested by ground forces.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:51 am

    For le$$, the Su-34s can carry almost as much from bases in Syria w/o mid-air refueling:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34#Specifications_(Su-34)


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    Post  Hole on Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:45 pm

    A rare sight:

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    Post  hoom on Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:21 pm

    Is that a recon version? Seems to have extra antennae there.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:37 pm

    Yes. Tu-22MR.
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:19 pm

    Without wanting to reignite the debate I couldn't resist this picture.

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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:35 am



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    Nice shot of the Russian Naval Aviation Ty-134UB-L (white # 54, registration # RF-12037) training aircraft for Tu-22M3 and Tu-160 pilots. This aircraft was overhauled last year at the Minsk Plant of Civil Aviation No. 407.




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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:35 am

    See the 1st 2 planes, upper right corner. Their close relationship is clear: Tu-22M3: News - Page 20 KnithcjTk7gJEeqC_eLyCfo1i_gXhHzU5lmqSeqPbxk
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:00 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:See the 1st 2 planes, upper right corner. Their close relationship is clear:

    There is no "close relationship". The Tu-22M is to all intents and purposes an all-new aircraft, all that has been retained is some internal structure and general rear tailfin/stabilsiser config.

    Why do people keep arguing about the frigging obvious??? The Tu-22M designation was just a political ploy to secure funding, nothing more.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:02 am

    JohninMK wrote:

    Rob Lee
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    Nice shot of the Russian Naval Aviation Ty-134UB-L (white # 54, registration # RF-12037) training aircraft for Tu-22M3 and Tu-160 pilots. This aircraft was overhauled last year at the Minsk Plant of Civil Aviation No. 407.




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    According to Eehnie this is clearly a Tu-22. There is no such thing as tu-134 Very Happy just look at the nose !!

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