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    Tsavo Lion

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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:11 pm

    From the article I posted:
    The maximum range of the missile will be somewhat less than when starting with the MiG-31, due to the lower ceiling and speed of the Tu-22M, but it will still be quite sufficient. The interception of such missiles today is a great challenge even for modern air defense and missile defense systems. https://iz.ru/762766/ilia-kramnik/kinzhal-dlia-tushki
    A 2nd stage could also be added to it to increase range.
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:25 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:From the article I posted:
    The maximum range of the missile will be somewhat less than when starting with the MiG-31, due to the lower ceiling and speed of the Tu-22M, but it will still be quite sufficient. The interception of such missiles today is a great challenge even for modern air defense and missile defense systems. https://iz.ru/762766/ilia-kramnik/kinzhal-dlia-tushki
    A 2nd stage could also be added to it to increase range.

    Been meaning to suggest this.

    Compared to MiG-31, Tu-22 is a pack mule so adding extra stage on Kinzhal should go off smootly.

    Also, extra stage version opens some interesting possibilities for subsonic aircraft, PAK-DA including.
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Hole on Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:10 pm

    Larger booster should do it.
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:21 pm

    Russian strategic bomber to extend Kinzhal hypersonic missile’s range — source

    The hypersonic missile’s target destruction range will equal over 3,000 km

    MOSCOW, July 18. /TASS/. The range of the Kinzhal air-launched hypersonic missile will reach about 3,000 km aboard the new Tu-22M3 carrier bomber compared to over 2,000 km on board the MiG-31K fighter jet, a source in the domestic defense industry told TASS on Wednesday.

    "The Kinzhal is an air-launched missile system and, therefore, it is necessary to look at its range, considering the combat radius of its carrier. For the Tu-22M3, aboard which the missile will soon be tested, the hypersonic missile’s target destruction range will equal over 3,000 km," the source said.


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1013794
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:05 pm

    Approximately one hundred MiG-31K interceptors are enough to cover all Russia's maritime borders from naval groupings of a potential enemy, RIA Novosti military expert Alexei Leonkov said .
    "Together, we can talk about [the number of] up to a hundred  MiGs with" Daggers ", which, in principle, is enough to create a so-called zone of restriction and prohibition of access and maneuver (A2 / AD) on all our water areas, "- said the expert.
    The expert explained that ten MiG-31K could strengthen the Baltic fleet - the same number of fighters with the "Daggers" today bears experimental and combat duty on the Black Sea direction. At the same time, in order to cover each of the two ocean areas, which are under the jurisdiction of the Northern and Pacific Fleets, respectively, 3-4 times more aircraft will be required.
    Leonkov recalled that it is also planned to equip the Tu-22MZ bombers with Daggers, which can carry about four such missiles, but this machine is designed for operational, rather than rapid, as in the case of the MiG-31, response, and is therefore based away from maritime boundaries.
    "Most likely, all the Tu-22M3s, which are currently in service with the Russian Air Force, and that's more than 60 planes, will have the opportunity to carry Daggers, so we will solve the question of the universality of this aircraft," he added.  https://news.rambler.ru/army/40358430/?utm_content=rnews&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
    Flying over the S. Black/S. Caspian Sea, & Iran, the TU-22M3s & MiG-31s can cover C & E. Med., Red, & Arabian Seas/Gulf with Kinzhals. Will "Daggers" strike Iran?
    http://nvo.ng.ru/concepts/2018-07-20/100_irankinzhal3.html?print=Y
    1 TU-22M3 can substitute for 4 MiG-31s. It can also penetrate low over denied areas such as Iran & Turkey to get closer to targets.
    The VMF top brass can wait for more expensive toys a while longer!


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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Stealthflanker on Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:43 am

    I would also like to see Tu-22M3 with T-220 targeting pods and spamming Kh-59MK2.

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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  mnztr on Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:40 pm

    Will "Daggers" strike Iran?
    http://nvo.ng.ru/concepts/2018-07-20/100_irankinzhal3.html?print=Y
    1 TU-22M3 can substitute for 4 MiG-31s. It can also penetrate low over denied areas such as Iran & Turkey to get closer to targets.
    The VMF top brass can wait for more expensive toys a while longer![/quote]

    I don't see Russia ever attacking Iran, Iran cannot afford enmity with Russia as it is accessible by land from Russia with fairly weak Pro-russian countries
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:22 am

    Under what possible scenario would Russia strike Iran? Suspect Russia, which is subjected to endless harassment by the Murican-led Western NWO and is actively looking for allies in its efforts to repulse Murican global hegemony and create a true multi-polar international space, and looking to champion Eurasian integration with like minded nations, is somehow going to throw all of that away by attacking the most populous and historically important ME nation? Utter foolishness... Who writes this mierda? No
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  eehnie on Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:13 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Under what possible scenario would Russia strike Iran?  Suspect
     

    Zionist dreams...

    Big_Gazza wrote:Who writes this mierda?  No

    Some zionist dreamer...

    Instead, taking into account the Russian use of Iranian bases, it is more realistic to think about:

    Iran territory + Modernized Tu-22 range (To the West and to the South, to the East Russia has more allies)
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  LMFS on Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:30 pm

    Roll-out of the Tu-22M3M announced for 16 of August:

    http://tass.com/defense/1016295
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    Post  Isos on Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:00 pm

    Under what possible scenario would Russia strike Iran? Suspect

    Before the iranian revolution russian fighter used to fire on iranian planes.

    They were best US ally and in one day they became their most evil enemy. Alliances change very quickly.
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  LMFS on Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:37 pm

    Further details about Tu-22M3M

    http://tass.com/defense/1016360
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:16 am

    LMFS wrote:Further details about Tu-22M3M

    http://tass.com/defense/1016360


    -New onboard radio-electronic equipment

    -Its service life will be extended to 45-50 years

    -The entire new avionics suite, the sight and navigation system and other onboard equipment of the modernized Tu-22M3M bomber had been standardized with the similar systems of the Tu-160 aircraft in its Tu-160M version.
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:37 am

    Isos wrote:
    Before the iranian revolution russian fighter used to fire on iranian planes. They were best US ally and in one day they became their most evil enemy. Alliances change very quickly.
    Exactly. Iran may not permit the Russians the use of its airspace & bases, have a civil war/regime change soon &/ be attacked by US, Israel & Saudi Arabia. It may even break up.  I fear that if Iran disintegrates, Russia & Azerbaijan may have to take its Northern half to prevent the S. Caspian coast becoming another Turkey & threatening RF underbelly. Update on Caspian pending agreements: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2461774.html

    I don't get it: why they call the Tu-22M3M "strategic" if it doesn't have the range to reach continental USA w/o refueling, & while it doesn't have IRP installed as per SALT? To me, it looks like a PR trick to look more impressive to civilians who don't know the real difference!


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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:42 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    I don't get it: why they call the Tu-22M3M "strategic" if it doesn't have the range to reach N. America w/o refueling, & while it doesn't have IRP installed as per SALT?

    Because the media are icking fudiots in every nation, no exceptions.

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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  hoom on Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:44 pm

    From recollection Tu-22M were included in START/SALT as Strategic due to US insistence, I forget if there was a concession gained for it though.

    Before the iranian revolution russian fighter used to fire on iranian planes.
    ...supplied by the US, many of which were flown by US pilots, from US constructed & operated bases and which were intentionally crossing the border into USSR territory as part of a CIA spy program jocolor

    Can Tu-22M carry air-launched Onyx?
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:55 pm

    hoom wrote:.........
    Can Tu-22M carry air-launched Onyx?

    It could but compared to stuff Tu-22M usually carries Onyx is a firecracker

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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  hoom on Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:02 pm

    Yeah I was just looking at stats of Kh-22/32 and realising that Embarassed
    I kinda assumed similar ~Mach 2 speed not Mach 4.6/5 Shocked
    And yeah if it's gonna also have Mach 10 Kinzhal...

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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  mnztr on Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:17 pm

    LMFS wrote:Roll-out of the Tu-22M3M announced for 16 of August:

    http://tass.com/defense/1016295


    I wonder if the new engines will be part of this yet.
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:46 pm

    [quote="mnztr"]
    LMFS wrote:

    I wonder if the new engines will be part of this yet.

    It said what it gets, avionics and the possibility of using new missiles. It is a modernisation on the cheap.

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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  mnztr on Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:10 pm

    Avionics are not cheap, and the new engines are possibly cheaper then sustaining the use of the old ones as they will be the same engines are the TU-160...and more efficient.
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:39 pm

    mnztr wrote:Avionics are not cheap, and the new engines are possibly cheaper then sustaining the use of the old ones as they will be the same engines are the TU-160...and more efficient.

    Switching out dials and gauges for touch screen displays is far cheaper than integrating and testing new engines, much less buying the engines.
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:51 pm

    They don't really need to reengine them, as there r many good engines in storage, on/off the older TU-22Ms. 30 Tu-22M3 to be upgraded to Tu-22M3M: https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2016/08/19/tupolev-tu-22m-strategic-bomber/

    As I posted, 2 Kinzhals under the wings + 2 under the fuselage:
    https://twitter.com/nawapon10/status/1025913010332741632/photo/1

    New TU-160M2s r the priority. https://www.rt.com/newsline/432885-tu-160m-production-plan/

    After enough of them r built, a few older TU-160Ms may take on some tactical roles, easing the TU-22M3s optempo.
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:47 am

    My understanding was that the new engines were supposed to be the NK-32s that are upgraded for the Tu-160, so these upgraded Tu-22M3Ms will have the same avionics and engines as the Tu-160... if that is the cheap option it is also the clever option.

    Having a different NK-25 engine with similar thrust and fuel consumption for Backfires to the engine used in the Tu-160 made no sense at all... I mean it is not even as if one is a Tupolev and one is a Sukhoi or MiG... normally the Soviets were smarter and more practical than this.
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:00 am

    Do they have so much $ for at least 60 engines+20-30 spares for 30 Tu-22M3Ms? I doubt their performance will be so good over the current 1s to justify it.


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