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    Vladimir79

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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:24 am

    JohninMK wrote:Amazing how there is always a camera at these events now. What the hell happened?


    It was an aborted take-off and the pilot lost control from the drag chute not evenly deploying.


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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Giulio on Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:29 pm

    I doubt that dragchute has something to do with this incident.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:07 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Amazing how there is always a camera at these events now. What the hell happened?


    It was an aborted take-off and the pilot lost control from the drag chute not evenly deploying.

    Can't they stop the aircraft without the parachutes ? They always use them even for fighters.
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    Post  Cheetah on Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:22 pm

    As far as I am concerned, Russian fighter aircraft are perfectly capable of stopping without the drag parachutes, but they use them to conserve the life of the tyres by reducing the usage of the wheel breaks. As for bombers, I'd say they are as necessary as reverse thrust on a commercial airliner.
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Giulio on Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:38 am

    I don't know whether the Tu-22m has thrust reverse (I think it doesn't), but the drag chute works mainly instead of thrust reverse. You can't use brakes above some speeds: it is useless and you burn brakes. The problem here, I THINK, is a problem of acceleration, distances and deceleration/arrest. It happened something after V1 speed. But, after V1 speed you have to takeoff. So, what happened? Maybe incorrect V1 calculation in presence of a system (engine?) failure? V1 with a single engine. Maybe instrument read the wrong speed (scorost?), as they say, so wrong V1. Or the runway is too short for big aircrafts at MTOW. If the instrument read a wrong speed, so a wrong V1 (higher than correct V1), they abortet the takeoff too late.
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    Post  Cheetah on Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:41 am

    For the record, I never stated that the Tu-22m3 had reverse thrust, I was simply stating that the drag-chutes are just as important. As for the cause of the incident, I think it is clear that the aircraft had reached take of speeds and passed the point of no return, yet decided to abort all the same. Reasons for this could be anything from mechanical failure (Running off the runway and into the grass was preferable to taking a mechanically failing aircraft into the sky), Instrument failure, as has been mentioned before, and of course, human error. Which one it is, I am not sure.
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Giulio on Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:29 pm

    I didn't refer to you, I spoke in generally. Anyway, after V1, afaik, anyhow you have to takeoff. Because above V1 to overrun the runway is a mathematical certainty. To overrun runway isn't preferable after V1. Statistically, there are more incidents with aborting the take-off. They have been very lucky (and, I think, brave not to abandon the aircraft with ejection).
    If the instrument pointed a speed lower than real, they aborted the takeoff with a real speed higher than the correct V1 speed, so they overran the runway.
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:42 pm

    Unusual viewpoint


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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:42 am

    JohninMK wrote:Unusual viewpoint

    Looks like CGI, not a real pic. Both pilots are identical and in exact the same position, for example.
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:44 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Unusual viewpoint
    Looks like CGI, not a real pic. Both pilots are identical and in exact the same position, for example.
    DCS. https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/
    Forgivable, the simulator is looking mighty fine these days.
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:02 pm

    Amazing!

    Still this is real, a size comparison


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOSiL-rX4AE9ZQ0.jpg
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:21 am

    JohninMK wrote:Amazing!

    Still this is real, a size comparison

    Good one...haven't seen the 2 like that before
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:14 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Amazing!

    Still this is real, a size comparison


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOSiL-rX4AE9ZQ0.jpg

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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:27 pm

    I wanted to ask people's opinion on the rear mounted gun on the Tu-22M is worth having it now? Only use I can see is if it came across another enemy bomber which is highly unlikely. I thought maybe best just to remove it to save weight and it removes ammo sitting at rear of aircraft
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:31 am

    Actually the 23mm cannon has decoy rounds it can fire and its very high rate of fire would make it rather useful even against incoming missiles given the right circumstances.

    The 23 x 115mm rounds have a chaff/Flare round that could be fired offset to where the bomber is to quickly set up an IR and radar reflective cluster of decoys in a short burst.

    Equally the same gun can fire at a comparable rate to the Phalanx with a much heavier projectile though with lower velocity...

    They didn't bother with the Blackjack and I doubt the PAK DA would have a gun but the latter likely will have air to air missiles for a defensive role of potentially shooting down missiles aimed at the aircraft.


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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:38 am

    GarryB wrote:Actually the 23mm cannon has decoy rounds it can fire and its very high rate of fire would make it rather useful even against incoming missiles given the right circumstances.

    The 23 x 115mm rounds have a chaff/Flare round that could be fired offset to where the bomber is to quickly set up an IR and radar reflective cluster of decoys in a short burst.

    Equally the same gun can fire at a comparable rate to the Phalanx with a much heavier projectile though with lower velocity...

    They didn't bother with the Blackjack and I doubt the PAK DA would have a gun but the latter likely will have air to air missiles for a defensive role of potentially shooting down missiles aimed at the aircraft.

    Cool never knew about the chaff rounds. Yeah I was expecting that PAK DA would have some sort of missile.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:41 am

    https://iz.ru/663570/aleksei-ramm/ubiitcam-avianostcev-popolniat-arsenal

    Tu-22M3's undergoing modernization.

    Key aspects:
    - New Engines based on the same ones used on Tu-160M2
    - New cruise missiles for the Tu-22M3 - Kh-32 is the missiles.
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    Post  eehnie on Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:57 am

    miketheterrible wrote:https://iz.ru/663570/aleksei-ramm/ubiitcam-avianostcev-popolniat-arsenal

    Tu-22M3's undergoing modernization.

    Key aspects:
    - New Engines based on the same ones used on Tu-160M2
    - New cruise missiles for the Tu-22M3 - Kh-32 is the missiles.

    This is also very good news for Russia.

    This is an aircraft to stay, and to stay longer than the current subsonic strategic bombers, the Tu-95/142 and the Il-38.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:20 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    - New cruise missiles for the Tu-22M3 - Kh-32 is the missiles.

    Different missile - Izd. 715...possibly a scaled down Kh-101 that can be launched form a rotating launcher inside the Tu-22M3
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    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:10 pm

    The bmpd comment. Recall that in April 2016, information was released from the state procurement of PJSC "Tupolev" about the repair with the modernization of four long-range bombers Tu-22M3 VKS of Russia to the level of Tu-22M3M under the state contract, concluded in 2016. Presumably, these are the first mass-upgraded Tu-22M3M aircraft, and their actual modernization, apparently, will be launched in 2018.

    From the above information, in particular, it followed that, in the upgraded Tu-22M3 aircraft, the old PNA radars were to be replaced by the new HB-45 radar produced by the St. Petersburg-based LENINITS TsNPO (this radar is a version of the radar station that is part of the search engine -primary system "Novella-P38", which is equipped with modernized anti-submarine aircraft Il-38N).

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:10 am

    Changing to the same engine as the Tu-160M will be of enormous benefit for the aircraft... with 80 odd Tu-22M3s that means 160 engines that are unique at the moment which is not a huge base of engines.

    Adding the 16 Tu-160s means adding 64 more engines but also adding 50 or 60 Tu-160M2s means a total of 344-384 engines all using the same parts pool and requiring unified support.

    The use of the radar from the upgraded Il-38 suggests to me that when the Tu-160s are back in production and then PAK DAs are also in production the Tu-22M3 might go back to navy use in the anti carrier role, though the improvements in land attack capacity would mean operations like in Syria should be still an option too.


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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:44 pm

    They stated "up to 50 Tu-160M2s", so I doubt 60 will be ordered, unless PAK-DA is cancelled later, not postponed.
    With the new CM, the Tu-22M3 will become a lot more than a direct counterpart of the B-1B: http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/186730/?aft=1
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:02 pm

    There was talk of other missions for the Tu-160M2 including as a heavy interceptor (Tu-160P) and also for other missions too like heavy naval strike aircraft.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:54 pm

    Some, if not all, of those more likely will be modified Tu-160Ms, not M2s.
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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:12 am

    If it is successful in the interceptor role who knows how many they might build.

    There was also a model designed to carry a large long rocket on its belly externally for satellite launches too.


    Suffice to say right now no one knows exactly how many they will build...

    All older model Tu-160s will likely get upgrades to Tu-160M2 level anyway.


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