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    Post  Regular on Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:35 am

    kvs wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Can it detect the virus before symptoms appears and the tested guy is able to transmit the virus ? If not that's not really usefull.

    We don't know

    There has been an article which questions the test kit manufactured by the state research centre of virology and biotechnology as to whether it's able to detect the coronavirus at low enough concentrations. This might explain the low amount of confirmed cases so far.

    https://pcr.news/stati/test-na-koronavirus-dlya-rossii/

    The usual amateur tin foil hat plausibility theorizing.  

    So you actually claim that the test kits just measure random organic molecules, eh?  That they are nothing more than a scam.
    The typical liberast smear based on nothing but hate pulled straight from the ass.

    Testing for viral infections is usually based on tagging antibodies and PCR can extract viral DNA.

    https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/advaite-produces-covid-19-rapid-response-diagnostic-testing-kits/
    https://www.ncbiotech.org/news/biomedomics-seeks-fda-ok-covid-19-rapid-diagnostic

    Test kits exist already.   Only blowhards of the 5th column type claim that Russia is incapable of such technology.



    I think the problem is that this virus is helluva hard to detect. Small viral loads are hard to detect in HIV patients and we know that disease very well.
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:19 am

    Obviously the virus has to build up to a sufficient concentration in the blood stream before even the most sensitive tests can detect it. Short of sampling the blood and looking at it under a microscope for hours.

    kvs is in his usual manner, simply being comically overly-defensive in regards to Russia even when it contradicts fair grounds for skepticism or common sense.
    For his benefit - I didn't say that the Russian test system may be under-sensitive for sure. I said it might be, there's an article that throws some skepticism on it. Equally, the test may be just fine.
    And it's not a damning of Russia even if it was. Everyone makes mistakes, including I'm sure the particular institution responsible for the test kit.


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    Post  kvs on Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:07 am

    Regular wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Can it detect the virus before symptoms appears and the tested guy is able to transmit the virus ? If not that's not really usefull.

    We don't know

    There has been an article which questions the test kit manufactured by the state research centre of virology and biotechnology as to whether it's able to detect the coronavirus at low enough concentrations. This might explain the low amount of confirmed cases so far.

    https://pcr.news/stati/test-na-koronavirus-dlya-rossii/

    The usual amateur tin foil hat plausibility theorizing.  

    So you actually claim that the test kits just measure random organic molecules, eh?  That they are nothing more than a scam.
    The typical liberast smear based on nothing but hate pulled straight from the ass.

    Testing for viral infections is usually based on tagging antibodies and PCR can extract viral DNA.

    https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/advaite-produces-covid-19-rapid-response-diagnostic-testing-kits/
    https://www.ncbiotech.org/news/biomedomics-seeks-fda-ok-covid-19-rapid-diagnostic

    Test kits exist already.   Only blowhards of the 5th column type claim that Russia is incapable of such technology.



    I think the problem is that this virus is helluva hard to detect. Small viral loads are hard to detect in HIV patients and we know that disease very well.

    Learn about the magic of PCR:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymerase_chain_reaction

    One DNA molecule can be reacted into a billion copies of itself.

    As for blood concentrations. If you are not happy with the concentrations at 6 hours, then wait another 12 and you will
    have all of the concentrations of viri and their DNA that you can desire.

    This thread is full of people making vapid plausibility statements.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:56 am

    flamming_python wrote:Obviously the virus has to build up to a sufficient concentration in the blood stream before even the most sensitive tests can detect it. Short of sampling the blood and looking at it under a microscope for hours.

    kvs is in his usual manor, simply being comically overly-defensive in regards to Russia even when it contradicts fair grounds for skepticism or common sense.
    For his benefit - I didn't say that the Russian test system may be under-sensitive for sure. I said it might be, there's an article that throws some skepticism on it. Equally, the test may be just fine.
    And it's not a damning of Russia even if it was. Everyone makes mistakes, including I'm sure the particular institution responsible for the test kit.


    Russia recorded first cases less than a month after Italy

    If Russian viral testing kits were lemons and infected were left to roam free you'd all be neck deep in corpses by now


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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:43 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia recorded first cases less than a month after Italy

    If Russian viral testing kits were lemons and infected were left to roam free you'd all be neck deep in corpses by now

    I have heard of cases worldwide where tests turned out negative but the person turned out to be infected and developed symptoms later

    Common sense would dictate that Russian viral testing kits are possibly subject to the same flaws.

    Equally there are also people that seem to be asymptomatic, at least for a long time, but are still contagious. How will you root them out?
    If they returned from abroad then they go into quarantine (and you have to trust them to keep to it), but what if they've been here all this time and got infected by someone inside the country?

    It has to be assumed that a storm is brewing beneath our feet and the same procedures now instituted in Europe be instituted in Russia too. Otherwise it can balloon from 60 cases to 600 within less than a week as it happened in Europe, and then from 600 to 20000 in another 2 weeks.

    The virus also has a considerable incubation period. My feeling is that a lot more people are infected than currently confirmed, but are only going to fall ill around the next few days, and in the meantime will passing on the contagion. Isolating and putting people into quarantine who've come in contact with confirmed cases will help, but it's far from full-proof - it only takes a few people to slip through the cracks and go to church or to some buffet or political demonstration or whatever.

    The Russian Orthodox Church meanwhile is being completely unreasonable and keeping open churches for regular congregations, even involving icon-kissing and so on, despite some measures such as wiping down icons. This at the same time as the chief Mufti of the country has already suggested closing mosques, and with historical churches and mosques even in Israel and Palestine closing down shop.
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    Post  Regular on Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:33 pm

    kvs wrote:[a, then wait another 12 and you will
    have all of the concentrations of viri and their DNA that you can desire.

    This thread is full of people making vapid plausibility statements.  


    I'm not an expert and this might be closer to your field, but SARS-CoV is RNA, not DNA virus. How does amplification work with RNA molecules?

    There was a paper which I will try to find that covered deficiencies of testing we have. No matter what country.. Testing done by nasal and oral being very dependant on symptomatic carriers. There are very little time to properly test suspects to rule out false negatives. Anal swabs are getting popular in South Korea as probably there's more chance to detect it in feces as this virus lingers in the gut (hijacks gut bacteria as per medv???) and even after people got rid of the disease. There now are serological tests done as well, but they are probably used for aggressive contact tracing.
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    Post  auslander on Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:36 pm

    Reality is Sevastopol and Krimu have no confirmed cases of the virus. Russia seems to have well under 100 nationwide.

    We have shopped as usual, getting the usual amounts of goods etc. Not a mask to be seen anywhere, all shops and magazines have normal amounts of product. Fresh veggies are coming several times a day from the Tatari hot houses around Bahxchisarai. Bread Store #1 is stocked several times a day with fresh bread and pastries.

    That being said, this afternoon it was announced that all schools and universities in this berg and Krimu will close early for spring break, as in tomorrow. Tourists have been invited to leave. Unregistered 'guests' have been invited to leave. Krim has petitioned Moskau for permission to close the borders with orcland. We'll see what tomorrow brings, but so far zero 'panic' buying in stores.
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    Post  auslander on Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:09 pm

    22:00. Russia is closed until 01 May.
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    Post  Regular on Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:49 am

    auslander wrote:22:00. Russia is closed until 01 May.

    Nice.. i will be waiting for my purchase until then Sad
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:03 am

    Better safe than sorry.

    Prevention is always better than cure.
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    Post  auslander on Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:58 pm

    Borders with the orcs are closed from Krim, although 'official' permission from Moskau has supposedly not arrived yet. Verbal permission apparently has arrived.

    Novorossiya/Russia are apparently not closed, but orc borders with Russia are. Vehicles with DPR and LPR tags are allowed in to Krim and this berg.
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    Post  Regular on Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:59 pm

    auslander wrote:Borders with the orcs are closed from Krim, although 'official' permission from Moskau has supposedly not arrived yet. Verbal permission apparently has arrived.

    Novorossiya/Russia are apparently not closed, but orc borders with Russia are. Vehicles with DPR and LPR tags are allowed in to Krim and this berg.

    Do you know how are the export goods are going out of Russia? Any disruption?
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    Post  auslander on Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:30 pm

    Regular wrote:
    auslander wrote:Borders with the orcs are closed from Krim, although 'official' permission from Moskau has supposedly not arrived yet. Verbal permission apparently has arrived.

    Novorossiya/Russia are apparently not closed, but orc borders with Russia are. Vehicles with DPR and LPR tags are allowed in to Krim and this berg.

    Do you know how are the export goods are going out of Russia? Any disruption?

    None that I know of. Goods from China are beginning to arrive again, a lot of them shut down during their crisis. Post might be slow, though, because of the seriousness of the crisis, and everything exported goes through Moskau as far as I know.
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:36 pm

    George1 wrote:
    How a virus can be "guided" from humans to attack selectively? Question

    by having moving into a country with the virus in liquid form in a bottle of water ,or it could be
    inside a pen case.. and then spread the virus with the help of drones and spray it on markets .
    also you can selectively attack people with the virus using a dart... have you seen the youtube
    video.. the heart attack gun ?? like taken from  science fiction movie.. is not conspiracy ,but a real
    thing .. go to youtube and you will see the cia  explaining in congress how their heart attack gun works..
    throws a microscopic dart.. that inject a poison in the person ,inducing a heart attack.. such weapon could be
    modified to inject anyone with corona virus..  they will feel like a mosquito byte.

    so the corona virus ,could also be spread selectively ,by going to airport where iranians are waiting to take
    a plane to their country and spray it their area.. so the same iranians become the ones that will infect their nation.
    and a toy drones could be  modified to spray corona virus agaisnt any fish market or any city.


    and most bullet proof way to detect the virus.. if all else fails.. is to quarantine the population..
    if they get sick in 15 days with similar respiratory issues they have it..

    just saw a report on RT , where a popular doctor in Russia was interview ,forgot his title..
    but he an expert specialist in pulomonology.. i think what the corona virus seeks to attack..

    he basically did not painted a good picture ,sounded very negative of the virus , almost as if nothing can be
    done..  he complained questioned that those people that "Gets cured" in reality they aren't.. because
    even if the virus leave somehow the body ,with a miracle medicine or vaccine. his internal body organs..
    his lungs will be damages for life.. and so he will die sooner or later from Pneumonia , and he told that
    a vaccine for people infestect is not enough ,that a major therapy /medicines needs to be created to encourage the lungs to heal themselves ,of the damages.. but even if someone a therapy exist to repair lungs this will not solve the problem of how incredibly expensive such a thing could be.. someone lungs could be.

    the corona virus forms like a sticky glue on the lungs not only in the outside ,but also deep inside too in the internal parts. and when the lungs stop working because of this fungus attack , people stop breathing.
    nasty virus.. is  truly lethal. and dangerous. and chinese government foreign ministry is throwing big hints that  US is being the corona virus. ie.. a biological weapon.. just like the video i posted. that warned 10 years ago about such plans of a biological attack by the west on china.

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    Post  Regular on Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:39 pm

    auslander wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    auslander wrote:Borders with the orcs are closed from Krim, although 'official' permission from Moskau has supposedly not arrived yet. Verbal permission apparently has arrived.

    Novorossiya/Russia are apparently not closed, but orc borders with Russia are. Vehicles with DPR and LPR tags are allowed in to Krim and this berg.

    Do you know how are the export goods are going out of Russia? Any disruption?

    None that I know of. Goods from China are beginning to arrive again, a lot of them shut down during their crisis. Post might be slow, though, because of the seriousness of the crisis, and everything exported goes through Moskau as far as I know.

    Thank you Auslander! Hope your fortress will be untouched!

    Company I was using said there are no problems using DHL.
    I am buying commercial and military uniforms/rucksacks and etc. from Russian shops directly with no 3rd party suppliers like in a past. Russian companies are now going through golden age and they are crazy popular in US and EU. Airsoft crowd and preppers love Gorka 5 and Alfa/Ratnik gear.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:07 pm

    Good ! They spent all their time quoting US officials saying "chinese virus" instead of "coronavirus". Those are piece of shit that use death of civilians and the fear of the remaining as a political tool. They have no soul those piece of shit.


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    China is expelling all US citizens working for NYT, WSJ, Washington Post, Time and Voice of America.

    Unprecedented attack on foreign coverage of the country, just when the rest of the world is entirely preoccupied with coronavirus
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:31 am

    Isos wrote:
    China is expelling all US citizens working for NYT, WSJ, Washington Post, Time and Voice of America.

    Unprecedented attack on foreign coverage of the country, just when the rest of the world is entirely preoccupied with coronavirus

    Nothing makes Trump happier than that. To delegitimise the MSM is his primary tactic and China is helping him do that.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:15 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    China is expelling all US citizens working for NYT, WSJ, Washington Post, Time and Voice of America.

    Unprecedented attack on foreign coverage of the country, just when the rest of the world is entirely preoccupied with coronavirus

    Nothing makes Trump happier than that. To delegitimise the MSM is his primary tactic and China is helping him do that.

    Good, those parasites need to be torched

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    Post  Isos on Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:03 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    China is expelling all US citizens working for NYT, WSJ, Washington Post, Time and Voice of America.

    Unprecedented attack on foreign coverage of the country, just when the rest of the world is entirely preoccupied with coronavirus

    Nothing makes Trump happier than that.  To delegitimise the MSM is his primary tactic and China is helping him do that.  

    It helped when he was competing against Hillary Clinton. Now people saw that as a president he is just the puppet of Clinton' deep state and just continue Obama's politic.

    A bunch of parasites. Better not have them in your country.
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    Post  auslander on Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:53 am

    Regular wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    auslander wrote:Borders with the orcs are closed from Krim, although 'official' permission from Moskau has supposedly not arrived yet. Verbal permission apparently has arrived.

    Novorossiya/Russia are apparently not closed, but orc borders with Russia are. Vehicles with DPR and LPR tags are allowed in to Krim and this berg.

    Do you know how are the export goods are going out of Russia? Any disruption?

    None that I know of. Goods from China are beginning to arrive again, a lot of them shut down during their crisis. Post might be slow, though, because of the seriousness of the crisis, and everything exported goes through Moskau as far as I know.

    Thank you Auslander! Hope your fortress will be untouched!

    Company I was using said there are no problems using DHL.
    I am buying commercial and military uniforms/rucksacks and etc. from Russian shops directly with no 3rd party suppliers like in a past. Russian companies are now going through golden age and they are crazy popular in US and EU. Airsoft crowd and preppers love Gorka 5 and Alfa/Ratnik gear.

    So far, so good, no virus in this berg or this island.

    VCO and I are Red Army, dragooned in to same back in '14. Just about all the adult sized uniforms you see in the parades and events here are new old stock, of which there are vast amounts floating around. Images are Victory Day last year. At this time, the parade is on for this year and today the Czar is in town.

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    Post  jhelb on Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:40 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:Nothing makes Trump happier than that.  To delegitimise the MSM is his primary tactic and China is helping him do that.  

    Coronavirus is being spread across the world by China and the Democrat party to scuttle Trump's chances of becoming President again

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackjones/2020/03/16/odds-favor-biden-over-trump-in-2020-presidential-election-as-coronavirus-pandemic-continues/#42d83f827f63
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    Post  kvs on Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:14 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Vladimir79 wrote:Nothing makes Trump happier than that.  To delegitimise the MSM is his primary tactic and China is helping him do that.  

    Coronavirus is being spread across the world by China and the Democrat party to scuttle Trump's chances of becoming President again

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackjones/2020/03/16/odds-favor-biden-over-trump-in-2020-presidential-election-as-coronavirus-pandemic-continues/#42d83f827f63

    Inane tin foil hat theory. The absurd response of the west in terms of no border closure and at best voluntary quarantine is due to
    the west propagandizing itself as the guiding light of freedom. You can see the western MSM call quarantine in China "human rights
    abuse". According to the west, it is a human right to be Typhoid Mary and spread disease around. The fact that quarantine is
    designed to save everyone's lives including those that are quarantined (running around with a serious viral infection can lead to
    viral pneumonia and death) is ignored in the name of hate propaganda.

    And why would China prefer the Democrat Party over the Republican Party? Because of the trade war that would have been launched
    against it by Hillary anyway? China is being punished for aligning with Russia. The Democrat Party is even more insane in its hate for
    Russia and would be the worst choice.

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    Post  nomadski on Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:21 pm

    I heard on the radio, that the British are complaining to Russia, over stories about source of corona, possibly being man made in Lab in West. But terrorism  can use any tool. An explosive belt or Novichok or Corona. Just because the means are somehow scientific or technical. Does not mean that motivations are rational. After reading a bit on the Internet and here, no doubt bio - weapons are very possible. Motive could be simply hatred or money. What I think we need to know, is that, will corona evolve naturally, by somebody eating a Bat and having a snake for dessert and also suffering from HIV?  The corona should form easily, if this is naturally possible. If not, then must find source of release of bio weapon.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/science/biohackers-gene-editing-virus.amp.html
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    Post  kvs on Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:38 pm

    nomadski wrote:I heard on the radio, that the British are complaining to Russia, over stories about source of corona, possibly being man made in Lab in West. But terrorism  can use any tool. An explosive belt or Novichok or Corona. Just because the means are somehow scientific or technical. Does not mean that motivations are rational. After reading a bit on the Internet and here, no doubt bio - weapons are very possible. Motive could be simply hatred or money. What I think we need to know, is that, will corona evolve naturally, by somebody eating a Bat and having a snake for dessert and also suffering from HIV?  The corona should form easily, if this is naturally possible. If not, then must find source of release of bio weapon.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/science/biohackers-gene-editing-virus.amp.html

    Retro-viruses can easily jump between species. All of the nasty flue strains involved migration from one species to another and China is the
    perfect environment for this due to population density and bizarre eating habits. So we had avian flu going through pigs to humans.
    It is very likely that this strain of corona virus originated in bats. One theory I have heard is that a biolab in Wuhan which used
    bats as in vivo test specimens sold the bats afterwards to restaurants and markets since the bats are considered magical meat
    and fetch a high price. It is very plausible that they money incentive was there and that the clowns selling the lab bats assumed
    they would be properly cooked. But thanks to the voodoo think about "potency" (e.g. Tiger penis) the bats were not properly
    cooked for the soup.

    A very plausible theory for the origin of HIV (aka AIDS) was SIV migration into the human population during the 1950s polio
    vaccine trials in Africa. The western researchers who staged these trials used live chimps as incubators and did not process the vaccines
    for contamination by other viruses. Of course, there is rabid denial of this theory by the western establishment, but HIV was
    obviously something unknown before the 1950s. It is no accident that there was massive infection with HIV in the region of
    Africa that the polio vaccine trials were staged. The initial infection happened during the 1950s. By the 1970s the disease
    jumped to other continents and was rapidly spread by groups (gays, drug users) where blood contact was common.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:53 pm



    So the army of US retards are using this video to troll China on twitter. That's a good way to judge their IQ.

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