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    Post  Regular on Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:51 am

    nomadski wrote:
    In the absence of a vaccine, then quarantine  and disinfection and ventilators are only thing left. But for a quarantine to work, it has to be total for a period of nine days. Total shut down. So virus dies in environment. And the afflicted either recover at home or they are taken to isolation units, where they recover or die. Then all areas disinfected. This total, but short term quarantine, can effectively be a cure. But it has to be total. Government can prepare for this.

    Yes. Starving this virus out works very well. But finding a vaccine is important as this virus will probably linger in less developed countries for long time.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:05 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    GarryB wrote:

    You assume they will find a cure, or that a cure is possible.... what you are suggesting that they just need to develop a cure for the common cold... they have lots of tools and methods but even if they had a cure right now they will need a new cure next year because the virus is alive and it evolves and changes...

    You are right, but even with every medical team in the World able to work on it working on it (there is a lot of glory and money at stake here ) its going to be a tough nut to crack. Especially, as now, this flu will be a moving target, constantly evolving. The winner will make a fortune as, like last time (remember Tamiflu?) it will be panic bought around the World.

    Because of that, with its timescale, I think, just as with the cold and other flu, it will be much easier, faster and cheaper to find a drug or a combination of drugs that mitigate the effects.

    A case of not trying to stop everyone getting it but making sure that when they do the effects, both personal and on the health systems, are nowhere near as bad as they are now.


    Chloriquine was tested by the chinese and it worked. It is tested by the french and it works. But it's already produced and there is lot of stocks so they don't talk about it because they can't make billions $ out of it, maybe millions but that's not enough ...

    Right now many french doctors give it to patient without even waiting for bigger studies.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:55 pm

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Much useful data and in graphic form but not for all countries. Updated in real in time.

    Spain is in bad shape. So is the USA. Click on the country name and select the logarithm option for the cases graphic. Countries
    which have linear sloped case increases are not stabilizing. You can see this in the exploding new cases graphic. Even if there
    is some day to day variation, one needs to have a declining day to day case increase to be approaching saturation.

    Russia now has almost 500 cases and a daily case increase of about 60. Compared to Spain and the USA this is nothing, but it is
    still early days.

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    Post  Regular on Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:34 pm

    Isos wrote:

    Chloriquine was tested by the chinese and it worked. It is tested by the french and it works. But it's already produced and there is lot of stocks so they don't talk about it because they can't make billions $ out of it, maybe millions but that's not enough ...

    Right now many french doctors give it to patient without even waiting for bigger studies.

    Hmmm, I thought they are giving to serious cases only. And this is only because of the red tape and only with consignment of patient/his family. It's well tested drug, not super dangerous as antivirals that wreck cardiovascular systems. Very weird that coincidentally it works so well with this virus. But it's not a cure, but treatment. Guess who are not happy with it?

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    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:23 pm

    Italy today



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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:06 pm

    https://twitter.com/HadiNasrallah/status/1242261092849639431

    Lorries carrying aid for Iran were stopped by Bulgaria and Romania obeying US sanctions.

    Poland banned Russian airplanes carrying aid for Italy to pass through its airspace.

    While China, Russia, Cuba swiftly responded to EU states pleas for help with the epidemic

    The land of the poopy people called Pooland strikes again in the name of shitty sanity and shitty justice.

    The demented "countries" (US vassal states) also do their bit for humanity. Then these filthy swine
    revise history about their participation in genocide along with the Nazis during WWII.

    Never forget and never forgive without proof of repentance. WWII revisionism, like Banderite revival in
    Ukraine, proves brazen support for Hitler.

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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:29 pm



    So the Czechs are scum too. They hijacked 680 thousand masks and respirator machines sent from China to Italy. The Czech maggots
    used the pretext that the humanitarian aid was actually intended for illegal resale.

    Ah the the usual EU-tard "morality" in action. Engage in highway robbery by calling it law enforcement.

    Poopland blocked the shipment of 23 thousand masks to Italy. Must have used some pretext but it is not know at the present time.
    The Italian embassy in Poopland is frantically trying to clear the transit since it is urgently required.



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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:59 pm

    Russia is repatriating 70,000 travelers from around the world but mostly from Europe. A lot of them are getting sick with Covid-19
    after coming back to Russia. This explains Russia's growth in cases. It is of paramount importance to keep these people under
    4 week forced quarantine. Anyone trying to escape quarantine should be shot.

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    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:06 pm

    Italy coronavirus deaths rise by 743 in a day, lifting total death toll to 6,820


    Reuters


    Up to 640,000 people could be infected with coronavirus in Italy – civil protection chief


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    I hope this gonna end ASAP Sad
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    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:13 pm

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    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:15 pm

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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:45 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:

    Italy coronavirus deaths rise by 743 in a day, lifting total death toll to 6,820



    Reuters


    Up to 640,000 people could be infected with coronavirus in Italy – civil protection chief



    RT


    I hope this gonna end ASAP Sad

    They are slowly priming the masses for what I think is the truth. None of the official infection numbers mean squat. They are
    all merely reflections of testing which is grossly inadequate. So infection numbers in the millions are now probable since the
    spread started in late December and early January. Nobody counts the flu in the hundreds after 3 months. Why is the more
    infectious corona virus any different?

    The critical detail is the lack of border controls early on. This allowed mass spread of the disease just like the flu.

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:07 pm

    This is a 700+ bed US hospital ship, finally on the move, well nearly. There is another on the West coast not yet moving. I assume they haven't moved them due to not having enough medics in the US military to crew them.

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    Defense Secretary Esper says hospital ship USNS Comfort heading to New York in "less than 14 days."


    UPDATE

    Got that wrong, the one on the West coast is underway on its way to LA. If you think they look a bit like a tanker you would be correct, that's what they were before conversion.

    USNS Mercy departed Naval Base San Diego with over 800 Navy medical personnel and support staff with the afloat medical treatment facility (MTF), and over 70 civil service mariners. The ship will serve as a referral hospital for non-COVID-19 patients currently admitted to shore-based hospitals, and will provide a full spectrum of medical care to include general surgeries, critical care and ward care for adults. This will allow local health professionals to focus on treating COVID-19 patients and for shore-based hospitals to use their Intensive Care Units and ventilators for those patients.

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    Post  Isos on Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:13 pm

    I remember talking about biological weapons here and our US soldier Seig said that it was total bullshit because viruses can't spread fast, they die in the air ...

    We see now what weapons we should fear. It's not nuclear ones. And no one is prepared to face such threat like we see today.

    The most worrying is that you don't need to have ressources of a state to contaminate the world. And it doesn't even have to be a human made weapon. Even animals can do it.

    I hope they will make better plans for next potential epidemies. But it seems it will only lead to more hollywoid movies ...

    This shit is scary.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:23 pm

    Isos wrote:I remember talking about biological weapons here and our US soldier Seig said that it was total bullshit because viruses can't spread fast, they die in the air ...

    We see now what weapons we should fear. It's not nuclear ones. And no one is prepared to face such threat like we see today.

    The most worrying is that you don't need to have ressources of a state to contaminate the world. And it doesn't even have to be a human made weapon. Even animals can do it.

    I hope they will make better plans for next potential epidemies. But it seems it will only lead to more hollywoid movies ...

    This shit is scary.

    Yanqui drones can deny all they want. There is a reason the US built and maintains over a dozen weapons biolabs near Russia's
    borders. There are also stories of US elements buying up biowaste from Russia. That is very peculiar since it is worse than
    nuclear waste in that aside from incineration or isolated burial it has no value. Unless you are interested in accumulating DNA
    data-banks.

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:27 pm

    The leaders of a Russian military operation on maneuvers in Italy 2020. russia Medical Brigade that is of course, in a proper Italian military base by the look of it as well, Officers Mess?  Laughing

    This is getting serious, there are now 15 Il-76 loads backing them up.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:38 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Isos wrote:I remember talking about biological weapons here and our US soldier Seig said that it was total bullshit because viruses can't spread fast, they die in the air ...

    We see now what weapons we should fear. It's not nuclear ones. And no one is prepared to face such threat like we see today.

    The most worrying is that you don't need to have ressources of a state to contaminate the world. And it doesn't even have to be a human made weapon. Even animals can do it.

    I hope they will make better plans for next potential epidemies. But it seems it will only lead to more hollywoid movies ...

    This shit is scary.

    Yanqui drones can deny all they want.   There is a reason the US built and maintains over a dozen weapons biolabs near Russia's
    borders.   There are also stories of US elements buying up biowaste from Russia.   That is very peculiar since it is worse than
    nuclear waste in that aside from incineration or isolated burial it has no value.   Unless you are interested in accumulating DNA
    data-banks.


    It was already reported back in 2015 US Bio  weapons   lab technicians/scientists in North Carolina created a bat/human crossover Covid-19 virus, which they directly imported bats from China. But of course they denied they had anything to do with it....but who's going to willingly admit they caused a global pandemic that killed thousands, and caused losses of trillions of Dollars to the world economy!?!?Rolling Eyes Embarassed
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:50 pm

    Anyone who works in the travel industry ,is time to get a new job.. it will take many months
    ,or years ,before it goes to normal..Tourism and sport events or music events in the open
    will be hit hard.. China already point fingers at US for coronavirus and they likely knows this was a biological attack on them...and they put the blame already on US military ,which was at the epic center ,where the virus began..weeks earlier before people began to get sick..  

    for new people that have not seen the video..

    how british investigator was warning in 2010 ,how someone who claimed to be an insider
    of the western elites and freemasons, told him of a planned bio attack on china..
    he warned that western elites was planning a major pandemic incident that will start in China..  




    Russia also should know by know that this was a US terrorist attack on china..
    this means that traveling now will be a nightmare  ,because now biological wars
    is a new reality.. is highly likely US military and even with support of CAnada and UK are
    behind this insane crime . i can't say for sure if they did it.. but if they had the chance
    to do it.. they will.. since after what they are doing to Syria ,that tried to over run a country
    with 30 millions ,with an Alqaeda/isis army.. then their evil have no limits.. and will be perfectly
    capable of doing such a crime ,like a bio attack on China or even against any European nation not loyal
    to US interest.  

    There is also the risk of counter attacks by China on US.. but atacks on Russia too ,and more attacks on
    Europe.. so it will take years ,long ones before people develop confidence in traveling. What will be really interesting to know ,is what is happening behind cameras via diplomatic level.. Russia and China will have to do something very dramatic , whether a major threat of nuclear war or something of the like if do it again.. or even
    demanding reparation damages..  because acting like business as usual as putin likes to do ,turn the other cheek ,will be a serious mistake ,because will encourage more biological attacks ,if it is as it looks it was.

    This corona incident also will trigger a biological arms race too.. so world war 3 or 4 ,could very well be fought using biological weapons.. in revenge to US ,Israel and UK ,that are prime suspect of participating in this crime.
    If it is confirmed that... only China ,Russia and Cuba are the only foreign nations sending medical aid to Europe and US is not there.. then ...this suggest that trump offered help..and they rejected it . And that Europe trust
    in US is totally over.. and the relations are all time low.. Whatever thing happens , if there are dramatic changes in Europe foreign policy , and they break relations or not  ,perhaps only italy does , and distance from NATO ,that will be seen after the crisis is over and covid19 defeated ,Europe is now focused in defeating the virus.



    Isos wrote:
    I remember talking about biological weapons here and our US soldier Seig said that it was total bullshit because viruses can't spread fast, they die in the air ...

    That's non sense bullshit ,is very easy to use a drone and spread the virus in spray form or releasing mosquitoes from the drone ,contaminated with covid19 .. when they byte you ,you are infested. the virus can last several hours in the air , no problem.. as soon you breath the virus ,you are infested ,and you fly the drone over a tourist place with thousands of people ,then they will inhale the virus..  the virus can also spread through a single shake of hands .. people infested with it ,terrorist ,those that suicide in cities for nothing ,could be easily used as walking bio bombs.. and ordered to shake hands with as many people as possible and sneeze in heavily crowded place.. a group of 100 alqaeda terrorist infested with the virus ,could contaminate dozens of thousands in less than 24 hours.. another place is the metro ,where millions travel every day.. any dozen of infested people with wet hands can touch places ,that everyone can potentially touch and get many contaminated.. specially in heavily crowded places ,music concerts , or civil protest.. when evil want to harm ,there are no limits.. in the things they can do.. technically speaking ,There is not conclusive evidence , that points to an US attack.. but there is no question ,that morally speaking ,they will have done it.. if they had the opportunity to do it.. since
    all washington dc elites from both parties ,all agreed that china was an enemy ,and have been working hard to stop China economy and stop their high tech industry too. Attacking china with bio weapons ,will have been automatic for them.. you only need to look where are Pentagon military bio labs located. is not a coincidence
    none deployed in nato countries ,but they all deployed close to Russia ,China and iranian borders.. this is clearly
    them provoking its adversaries with biological weapons facilities.. sending a very unfriendly message ..

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    there are even reports in fort russ ,about pentagon using ethnic russians to do bio experiments..
    and of many casualties too . so the Pentagon to have the crazy people ,perfectly capable of targeting
    Russia and China or iran with a bio weapons ,if they develop any.. in an unproved attack.. Look at the map
    they not even hide they have bio labs in afganistan... who though that was a good idea? Suspect
    if afghanistan is over run by ISIS by some "mysterious reason".. and US military "Can't stop them" of taking
    control of those facilities. Then you will have ISIS armed with top military grade bioweapons.. done by the US military.. if this is not an irresponsible and highly provocative thing against Russia ,then no idea what is..
    US is a terrorist state ,and they openly use their biolabs near Russia ,and china to threaten their nation security.
    they will not be doing things like that if they were normal people... with ethics and morals..  is pure evilness
    what drive the US elites in the military and politics.. and they perfectly capable of being behind the chinese virus.. and if not was them.. lets say it was a close ally of US , then still is the same..they participated. directly
    or indirectly.. if confirmed it was a foreign attack . Pentagon also have military biolabs in kharkiv.. next to Russian borders.. Laughing  if this is not a very hostile provocation ,threatening Russia nation security ,then no idea what is..  if Russia raise a biolab , in mexico ,next to US borders.. im sure There will be a major cuban missile like crisis.. and Russia demanded to remove those laboratories from its borders.. but putin is weak as hell ,
    and he encourage its enemies to provoke Russia into a war,in endless ways.. because they know putin is soft
    and weak and will do nothing.. If Russia deployed a biolab of advance viruses ,next to israel borders.. im sure
    israel airforce will just bomb it to hell.. and will not allow it..  this is why i said Putin weakness and lack of vision is the biggest threat to Russia national security , he don't have any strategy to counter the western system.. neither use force against US when they put in danger their nation security. This is all consequence of Russia dependence on the west ,for its development and business..

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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:22 am

    JohninMK wrote:The leaders of a Russian military operation on maneuvers in Italy 2020. russia Medical Brigade that is of course, in a proper Italian military base by the look of it as well, Officers Mess?  Laughing

    This is getting serious, there are now 15 Il-76 loads backing them up.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET4pnKtUEAA4fCL?format=jpg&name=medium


    It is serious

    They need to put the lid this fast, both Italians and Russians know it

    Not only is huge number of people dying but also the longer the virus keeps jumping from human to human the greater the possibility is of it mutating into more dangerous form


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:42 am

    Laughing

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    Post  kvs on Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:48 am

    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/03/13/science.abb3221

    Even research papers admit that for China 80% of the cases are typically undocumented. Based on the testing and response
    of China it is plausible that western countries which did not have their act together (i.e. massive testing and forced quarantine)
    have over 95% undocumented cases.

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    Post  Regular on Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:05 am

    kvs wrote:Russia is repatriating 70,000 travelers from around the world but mostly from Europe.   A lot of them are getting sick with Covid-19
    after coming back to Russia.   This explains Russia's growth in cases.   It is of paramount importance to keep these people under
    4 week forced quarantine.   Anyone trying to escape quarantine should be shot.


    Shot? Did you hear current proposition to breaches of quarantine? 5 years jail time. CCTV will be used to face track the ones that breached quarantine. All foreigners who do that - will be deported. Just like hundred chinese students were.

    Today Mayor of Moscow was speaking that he was worried about virus comming from the provinces were testing is not adequate. So I'm pretty sure Moscow will be restricting domestic movement at some point if they if this gets more serious.

    Other than that, it seems that Russia does have time. Maybe this excursion to Italy is actually genius.

    Russians are not just delivering trucks and supplies, but are being briefed by Italians. So they are on the ground zero. Many things could be learned. Triage practices, equipment rationing and etc. Most of the countries have little to no knowledge.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:25 am

    Regular wrote:
    kvs wrote:Russia is repatriating 70,000 travelers from around the world but mostly from Europe.   A lot of them are getting sick with Covid-19
    after coming back to Russia.   This explains Russia's growth in cases.   It is of paramount importance to keep these people under
    4 week forced quarantine.   Anyone trying to escape quarantine should be shot.


    Shot? Did you hear current proposition to breaches of quarantine? 5 years jail time. CCTV will be used to face track the ones that breached quarantine. All foreigners who do that - will be deported. Just like hundred chinese students were.

    Today Mayor of Moscow was speaking that he was worried about virus comming from the provinces were testing is not adequate. So I'm pretty sure Moscow will be restricting domestic movement at some point if they if this gets more serious.

    Other than that, it seems that Russia does have time. Maybe this excursion to Italy is actually genius.

    Russians are not just delivering trucks and supplies, but are being briefed by Italians. So they are on the ground zero. Many things could be learned. Triage practices, equipment rationing and etc. Most of the countries have little to no knowledge.

    Russia has already succeeded in flattening the curve. Nobody ever promised total attenuation after a few days unlike the tone coming out of
    the anti-Russian propaganda. So there will be tens of thousands of cases in Russia, but

    1) the all time peak infection will be much lower per capita than Italy. This is due to border control that succeeded in preventing the peppering
    of a large number of cases all at once. As I posted before there is nonlinear superposition effect with infections. Patient zero does not
    produce the fallout of a dozens of patient zeros. So the faster the disease spreads, increases the speed of the spread.

    2) Comparing to the USA, it is clear that Russia is not on the same infection progression curve at all. This gives Russian authorities a lot
    more time to stage the response without clamping down in a Draconian fashion.

    3) Russians are restricting social activity without any forced business closures. So there is talk about restaurants, bars and clubs going
    out of business. Compare to the USA and Canada, where provincial and state governments have shut down such businesses.

    I think the fear of Russia's hinterland being some pool for this SARS strain is nonsense. Why would the remote, poorer hinterland experience
    more exposure to travel and thus disease vectors than Moscow, St. Petersburg and other major cities. It is nonsensical. The pattern
    we see with most cases in the big urban areas is physical.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:35 am

    A question nobody is asking, at least in the public information space:

    Why is co-infection by flu and SARS v2 not considered an issue for mortality? None of the Covid-19 related websites ever bring
    up this aspect. I think it is absurd. The rate of flu infection is vastly larger so it is more than likely that people can get both diseases
    at the same time (i.e. within the 5+/- day window where one or the other virus is incubating). In my opinion a flu attacking the lungs
    will facilitate the SARS v2 strain in taking the disease in an individual to a whole new level of lethality.

    So how much of the mortality data is merely co-infection? Most people recover since most people don't get infected by both
    viruses. That is aside from any weak immune system issues. And it is actually noted that people with existing conditions are
    more prone to have serious symptoms.

    This question matters because there are better responses to the flu (including vaccines) than to SARS v2.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:35 am

    CCTV will be used to face track the ones that breached quarantine. All foreigners who do that - will be deported. Just like hundred chinese students were.

    Wonder if face recognition can cope with people wearing face masks?

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