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    Tu-160 "White Swan"

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    Post  George1 Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:02 pm

    dino00 wrote:Source: the first modernized Tu-160M ​​passed for testing

    MOSCOW, Nov 28 - RIA News. The first modernized Tu-160M bomber was handed over to the flight test station for ground and flight tests, a source in the Russian military-industrial complex told RIA Novosti on Thursday.
    "On November 28, the first deeply modernized strategic missile carrier bomber Tu-160M ​​was transferred from production departments to the flight test station KAZ named after SP Gorbunov to work out the stage of factory ground and flight tests," the agency’s interlocutor said.

    According to him, after the completion of ground tests, the Tu-160M ​​will be transferred to the flight test phase.

    https://ria.ru/20191128/1561694119.html

    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said at a meeting in Kazan in January that the first serial-produced heavily upgraded Tu-160M strategic bomber would arrive for the troops in 2021. The defense chief specified that the bomber’s production had restarted at the Kazan Aviation Enterprise.

    https://tass.com/defense/1093669

    so it is of new production, not old modernized. Excellent russia
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    Post  wilhelm Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:08 pm

    I hope so..but beware.
    I have realised that a lot of the confusion surrounding these projects are about translation from one language to another.
    One could look at those statements together and say it is the first serially produced modernisation, for the existing fleet.
    Confusing...
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    Post  dino00 Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:55 pm

    George1 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Source: the first modernized Tu-160M ​​passed for testing

    MOSCOW, Nov 28 - RIA News. The first modernized Tu-160M bomber was handed over to the flight test station for ground and flight tests, a source in the Russian military-industrial complex told RIA Novosti on Thursday.
    "On November 28, the first deeply modernized strategic missile carrier bomber Tu-160M ​​was transferred from production departments to the flight test station KAZ named after SP Gorbunov to work out the stage of factory ground and flight tests," the agency’s interlocutor said.

    According to him, after the completion of ground tests, the Tu-160M ​​will be transferred to the flight test phase.

    https://ria.ru/20191128/1561694119.html

    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said at a meeting in Kazan in January that the first serial-produced heavily upgraded Tu-160M strategic bomber would arrive for the troops in 2021. The defense chief specified that the bomber’s production had restarted at the Kazan Aviation Enterprise.

    https://tass.com/defense/1093669

    so it is of new production, not old modernized. Excellent russia

    It's not George, the one built from "scratch" should go to the troops in 2022, this is the modernised one, I will search...


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    Post  dino00 Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:05 pm

    You can see this post
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1229p850-tu-160-and-tu-95ms-blackjack-and-bears#263719

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1229p800-tu-160-and-tu-95ms-blackjack-and-bears#244919

    What I interpret is modernised 2021 for vks, built from new 2022

    They're producing both at the same time
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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:32 am

    Tu-160M are modernised, Tu-160M2 are new build AFAIK.


    B-52 crap moved to here:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7987-b-52-is-an-old-dinosaur#269466
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    Post  George1 Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:06 pm

    Some interesting info for Tu-160M

    - The name Tu-160M will be used for both upgraded and newly built aircrafts. That's why, the name Tu-160M2 is not assumed.

    - The Tu-160, which was raised in January 2018 was completed from the Soviet backlog and will be modernized. The improvements affect not weapons, not engines, but only electronic equipment: aircraft control, navigation and defense systems are completely new.

    - The creation of the Tu-160M ​​fleet is divided into two sub-tasks: the modernization of the existing 15 White Swans and the construction of new ones (a contract, recall, was concluded for 10 missile carriers).

    - According to known data, the first delivery of the aircraft built from scratch is planned for the end of 2022. Work has already begun.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3909470.html
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    Post  George1 Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:52 am

    The first flight of the prototype strategic bomber Tu-160M

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3921919.html
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    Post  George1 Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:14 am

    Video of the first flight of a prototype of strategic bomber Tu-160M


    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation distributed a video of the first flight of the first experimental modernized strategic bomber Tu-160M, which took place on February 2, 2020 at the airport of the Kazan Aviation Plant (KAZ) named after S.P. Gorbunov - a branch of PJSC Tupolev (as part of JSC United Aircraft Corporation - UAC).



     As follows from the video, the first prototype of the upgraded Tu-160M, it was not the Tu-160 plane with serial number 2-02 (the fourth built serial Tu-160, board number "19", proper name "Valentin Bliznyuk") that was converted, as our blog earlier mistakenly reported, but another board - combat bomber with serial number 4-05 and the name "Igor Sikorsky" (previously had tail number "14" and registration number RF-94103). This aircraft made its first flight in 1988 and was one of the eight Tu-160s received by the Russian side in 1999 from Ukraine from the former 184th Guards Heavy Bomber Regiment in Priluki. The aircraft has been on KAP since 2014.

       It was reported that the Tu-160 aircraft modernization project into the Tu-160M ​​variant (“70M product”) was approved on October 23, 2014. In total, 15 Tu-160 combat aircraft of the Russian Air Force should be upgraded to the level of Tu-160M, and under the contract of the Russian Ministry of Defense with PJSC Tupolev in January 2018 worth 160 billion rubles at KAZ, ten new Tu-160M bombers should be built by 2027. According to known data, the first flight of the first of them is planned for 2021 with the beginning of deliveries in 2023.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3925616.html

    so 25 Tu-160M in total. 15 upgraded Tu-160s and 10 new built
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    Post  GarryB Fri Feb 07, 2020 4:51 am

    Well they have an order for 10 new aircraft... in 2022 they might order another 50 on top of that for a total of 75...
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    Post  Hole Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:53 am

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    Post  medo Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:32 pm

    Few years go, Russians said, that they will install modified Irbis radar from Su-35 to their strategic bombers. I wonder if this new Tu-160M is equipped with Irbis radar.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:55 pm

    Here is the answer: https://www.janes.com/article/94165/maiden-flight-for-upgraded-tu-160m-bomber
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:27 am

    Source: Tu-160 is planned to arm with hypersonic missiles


    MOSCOW, February 10. /TASS/. Russian supersonic strategic bombers Tu-160 is planned to equip hypersonic missile complex "Dagger", the design of the project should be completed by the end of 2020. This was announced on Monday, the TASS source in the military-industrial complex.

    "The possibility of installing dagger missiles on the Tu-160 is being considered. The development of such an option should be completed this year," the source said.

    He did not specify whether the “Daggers” would be equipped with the Tu-160 combatant, or if the modernized Tu-160M ​​would become their carriers.

    TASS does not have official confirmation of the information provided by the source.

    In July 2018, another source in the Russian military-industrial complex told TASS that it was planned to test Dagger hypersonic missiles on a Tu-22M3 long-range bomber.

    Tu-160 is a multi-mode supersonic strategic missile carrier with variable wing geometry. In 2015, it became known about the decision to resume production of the Tu-160 in the upgraded version of the Tu-160M. February 2, the experimental Tu-160M, created on the basis of the combatant Tu-160, first took off. The airplane updated its navigation and navigation equipment, communications system, control system, radar station, electronic countermeasures system. The bomber is capable of carrying up to 12 strategic cruise missiles on two multi-position rotary launchers inside the fuselage.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/7721975


    if this ide will materialize then will Tu-22M3M not carry Kinzhal? scratch scratch scratch
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    Post  George1 Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:32 am

    Russia’s top military brass plans to arm Tupolev Tu-160 supersonic strategic bombers with Kinzhal hypersonic missiles, a source in the defense industry told TASS on Monday.

    "The possibility of deploying Kinzhal missiles on Tu-160 aircraft is being considered. The work on this option is due to be completed this year," the source said.
    Read also
    Russia’s 1st upgraded Tu-160M strategic bomber enters trials

    The source did not specify, however, whether operational or upgraded Tu-160 bombers would be armed with Kinzhal hypersonic missiles.

    TASS has no official confirmation of this information yet.

    https://tass.com/defense/1118255
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:43 pm

    Kinzhals carried by Tu-160 means that enemy surface ships can be attacked over intercontinental ranges. Lets say the Tu-160 cruises at low level subsonic M0.7-0.8 for 5000kms to get near the release point, spends some fuel getting to altitude and M1.5-2, and launches Kinzhals with 2000km range.

    That's a 7000km attack range from Engels base, enough to fly North across Russia, around Murmansk, penetrate GUIK gap and target enemy ships in the North Atlantic. Add in-flight refuelling for even more range.

    Nice. Very Happy
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:48 pm

    And from bases in the RFE, S. Russia/Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, S. Africa they can control most of the World Ocean, even w/o refueling.


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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:41 am

    They are quite fat missiles though... I would expect you probably wouldn't get more than two in each weapon bay... it is not like the Tu-22M3M which can carry them externally and perhaps carry four on standard hardpoints and then perhaps have another 6 weapons in the internal rotary launcher... range would not compare with the White Swan, but with inflight refuelling restored... it would be interesting.

    I suspect a new huge strategic model of Zircon would be much more interesting...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:36 pm

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:49 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    How do they fit that lot in? Shocked
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    Post  Isos Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:10 pm

    JohninMK wrote:

    How do they fit that lot in? Shocked

    Only half of that. The 12 kh-101 on the front or the 12 kh-55 on the back.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:27 pm

    Isos wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:

    How do they fit that lot in? Shocked

    Only half of that. The 12 kh-101 on the front or the 12 kh-55 on the back.

    Thanks. What puzzled me was the Bear photo in the other thread taken at the same time with its loadout looks to be carryable.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:47 pm

    Another view

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    Post  Isos Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:49 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:

    How do they fit that lot in? Shocked

    Only half of that. The 12 kh-101 on the front or the 12 kh-55 on the back.

    Thanks. What puzzled me was the Bear photo in the other thread taken at the same time with its loadout looks to be carryable.

    I don't think so. The bear can carry kh-55/101 only externally and has only 8 hardpoints for them and on the picture you have 12 or 14 missiles I think.

    With the new missile developed for su-57 they could double the number of missile but for a reduced range compare to the huge kh-101.
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    Post  Hole Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:41 pm

    But Tu-95MS/MSM can carry 6 x Kh-55SM/Kh-555 in the weapons bay + 8 x Kh-101 under the wings. The range shrinks somewhat but with IFR that is no issue.
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    Post  Isos Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:18 pm

    Hole wrote:But Tu-95MS/MSM can carry 6 x Kh-55SM/Kh-555 in the weapons bay + 8 x Kh-101 under the wings. The range shrinks somewhat but with IFR that is no issue.

    Are you suure about weapon bays ?

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