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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:26 pm

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    You have to ask yourself, what is it about these regions that makes them valuable to Russia... sure a lot of ship building infrastructure in the Ukraine was valuable, but that was in 1990... not now. These people have been poisoned against Russia, which is something Russia needs to accept and understand and move on.
    Losing the Baltic states, Ukraine and Belarus was a huge geopolitical defeat for Russia, and left the Russia proper more prone to military attack. The NATO can place its missiles in Baltic states and Ukraine which would be really bad for Russian security.

    Losing Baltic states also considerably cut Russia's access to sea, as well as cut Kaliningrad from the rest of Russia.

    Thankfully Russia got back Crimea, but it was just a small consolation price compared to what Russia lost.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:41 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    GarryB wrote:


    You have to ask yourself, what is it about these regions that makes them valuable to Russia... sure a lot of ship building infrastructure in the Ukraine was valuable, but that was in 1990... not now. These people have been poisoned against Russia, which is something Russia needs to accept and understand and move on.
    Losing the Baltic states, Ukraine and Belarus was a huge geopolitical defeat for Russia, and left the Russia proper more prone to military attack. The NATO can place its missiles in Baltic states and Ukraine which would be really bad for Russian security.

    Losing Baltic states also considerably cut Russia's access to sea, as well as cut Kaliningrad from the rest of Russia.

    Thankfully Russia got back Crimea, but it was just a small consolation price compared to what Russia lost.

    Your thinking is obsolete from the WWII era. Territory means f*ck all in the missile age. The losers in Washington haven't grasped this yet as
    they believe that they will not get Zircons in their command centers. Because they just believe. The delicious thing is that even if
    NATzO encroaches right up to Russia's borders and puts all of its missiles there, they will still be unable to have boost phase interception
    as is their wet dream. Russia is just too big and the "possession" of the Baltic chihuahua statelets has zero value.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:57 am

    Losing the Baltic states, Ukraine and Belarus was a huge geopolitical defeat for Russia, and left the Russia proper more prone to military attack.

    More vulnerable how?

    A couple of S-400 batteries would completely cover all of Ukrainian and Baltic airspace... what makes you think such locations are better places to launch attacks from?

    Conversely how would Russian ownership of such territory change anything except having a bunch of cowardly aholes part of their country?

    By that definition having Kaliningrad is a huge advantage for Russia... having Russian territory much closer to Berlin, brussels, paris, and london... but of course it really makes no difference at all.

    The NATO can place its missiles in Baltic states and Ukraine which would be really bad for Russian security.

    NATO missiles placed so close to Russian territory would be much easier to monitor and attack using much shorter range tactical weapons.

    A NATO attack from the Ukraine or London is a NATO attack and will get a response either way.

    Losing Baltic states also considerably cut Russia's access to sea, as well as cut Kaliningrad from the rest of Russia.

    The Baltic states cutting access to the sea for Russia through their ports stimulated Russia to better use her other ports in the Black Sea and in Leningrad... which is good for Russian ports and not so good for Baltic ports.

    Kaliningrad has always been isolated from Russia in a sense.

    Thankfully Russia got back Crimea, but it was just a small consolation price compared to what Russia lost.

    Are you kidding?

    The Crimea is worth 1,000 times the value of the Baltic states and actually has value to Russia... the Baltic states and the Ukraine would be a burden... they would take money and energy away from Russia and there would be no appreciation or thank you.... Russia is better off without the Baltic States and the Ukraine...

    Will be funny when they build that canal that goes from Murmansk to St Petersberg to bypass having to go around Norway for the North Sea Route... St Petersberg is probably going to get rather busy... while those baltic ports will be quiet... but they will be free...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:51 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Will be funny when they build that canal that goes from Murmansk to St Petersberg to bypass having to go around Norway for the North Sea Route... St Petersberg is probably going to get rather busy... while those baltic ports will be quiet... but they will be free...

    Are they going to build a new channel?

    I know about this one

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Sea%E2%80%93Baltic_Canal

    But it is ok only for low draft ships.

    From what I was reading the minimum guaranteed depth in the channel is between 3.5 and 4 m, so less than the draft of a fully loaded karakurt and much less than what needed for a frigate. Basically it can be used only for low draft river ships and buyan-m missile ships.

    If they are going to build a new one or seriously expand the capability of this one it will be a huge news, but I could not find info about that.


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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:11 am

    AFAIK there was a report posted on a thread on this forum that they were going to expand it by making it deeper and able to handle larger ships...
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:23 am





    KVS wrote:Russia is going to upgrade the Belomor Canal as a means of shipping transit via the NE passage to bypass Norwegian territorial shenanigans.
    It will also slice a considerable amount of time from the journey by not having to go around Scandinavia to reach the Baltic Sea.

    Funny how this supposed dead end project of Stalin's "totalitarian" USSR is turning out to be useful in the long run. Just like the
    Siberian rail link would have been if it wasn't for 5th column maggot Khruschev.

    From the Arctic Rush thread...
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:43 pm

    At this stage it is not clear what sort of upgrade the Belomor Canal will get. Making it big enough to accept huge container ships is highly unlikely. So
    the concept would be to unload in a major port on the Barents Sea coast and to ship via river class boats to the Gulf of Finland to Russia's newly
    developed container ports. The overhead from this shipping mode change is something that has to be considered.

    It makes sense for Russian exports to use the Belomor Canal to initiate shipping to east-Asia from the Arctic coast instead of from
    the Gulf of Finland. Goods moving out of Rotterdam will have no reason to go via the Baltic Sea and will go around Norway to the Barents Sea
    and onward.

    It should be noted that huge container ships are not the only type of shipping between Asia and Europe, so a direct Suez canal
    competitor is not the only choice.

    BTW, Google searches only dredge up references to Stalin and forced labour. Google is a totalitarian information control outfit.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:27 am

    My advice is to go large... whether it is canals or train lines... expand infrastructure to allow heavier and more intensive traffic than you could possibly need because in 30 years time you might need it... and in 30 years time it wont be cheaper or easier and if you are expanding it at a time when you need it that means you will be closing down bits to expand them at a time when you need them to be bigger if you see what I mean.

    We had a main road going into town that crossed a few roads so they had bridges but in their wisdom they made them single lane bridges. Not long after they expanded the roads either side of these bridges to two lanes in each direction so you automatically got a bottleneck.

    Back when they built the bridges they saved about $50 thousand dollars by making them single lane instead of dual carriageway... and at the time they celebrated their decision saving the city 50K and gave each other pats on the back. Of course they had to eventually admit with the congestion created by the single lane bridges on a main arterial road to the centre of town that has two lanes leading up to it and two lanes beyond that they actually got it wrong and that the 8 months it took to expand the bridges while the traffic continued to flow slowly and the $25 million dollars it cost to turn two bridges from two single lane to two two lane bridges was a bit of a waste.

    We have a tunnel for the train lines, but the roads go over the hills... if we had expanded the tunnel to take road traffic we could have saved 100 years of paying for grit trucks in winter, we could have trucks and buses moving at the same speeds as other vehicles and not holding up traffic as they climb and then come down the hills.

    When you are doing stuff like this you need to allow for future growth and also the costs of saving money now that may result in costing much more later on.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:20 am

    https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/Russia-Halts-Oil-Supply-To-Key-European-Transit-Hub.html

    Russia Halts Oil Supply To Key European Transit Hub


    Russia has halted oil supplies to Belarus amid a disagreement over tariffs, according to officials at a Belarusian oil refinery in the northern city of Navapolatsak.

    The officials told RFE/RL that the shipments stopped on January 1 and the facility is currently processing only Russian oil delivered before that date.

    Belarus has been at odds with Russia over oil-transit prices for some time against a backdrop of increasing pressure by Moscow on Belarusian President Alyaksandr Lukashenka to deepen integration between the two countries.

    A two-month deal on natural-gas prices hours before a December 31 deadline helped the sides avoid a gas shutoff to start the year.

    Belarus is heavily reliant on Russia for fuel and funding and is a key transit route for Russian energy supplies to Europe. And now, Russia has just broken a new oil production record.

    Moscow and Minsk signed an agreement in 1999 to form a unified state, but little progress has been made in the ensuing two decades.

    Meetings between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Lukashenka last year failed to bring the two sides together as the Belarusian president complained he was merely seeking "equal" terms.

    Belarusian protests in December targeted the perceived secrecy of the talks and objected to closer ties to Russia.

    Mike Pompeo this week postponed a planned visit to Minsk to meet with Lukashenka in what would have been the first visit by a U.S. secretary of state to that post-Soviet country in a quarter century.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:48 am

    You are once again behind news.

    Belarus is now buying spot price from Russian sellers till new contract is signed
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:07 pm

    Today Tass (or Tacc) gave a big update on Nord Stream-2.

    Number one, Academic Cherskiy will remain in the Far East, because it is essential in completion of far more important projects than Nord Stream. Pipes from Sakhalin (and through Amur river? I am not sure on that) together have to deliver 80 [huge units] per year, and they will be laid by Tschersky (Nord Stream 2 has capacity 55 HU)

    Number two. Danes softened their requirements. Concerning the specs for a pipe laying vessel, they can be satisfied by Fortuna that is finishing some bits in the German sector. Danes added requirement that the sea has to be sufficiently calm during the work, seems like weather when swimming is forbidden on Baltic beaches, but on summer usually it is permitted. So Fortuna will finish the job on the Baltic.

    A bit weird how Danes oscillate between obstructing and just harrassing. Both USA and Germany seem to have influence.

    Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 8 2020 14:55 utc | 55


    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/irans-missile-launch-against-two-us-bases-in-iraq-calls-trumps-bluff.html#more
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    Post  kvs on Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:48 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Today Tass (or Tacc) gave a big update on Nord Stream-2.

    Number one, Academic Cherskiy will remain in the Far East, because it is essential in completion of far more important projects than Nord Stream. Pipes from Sakhalin (and through Amur river? I am not sure on that) together have to deliver 80 [huge units] per year, and they will be laid by Tschersky (Nord Stream 2 has capacity 55 HU)

    Number two. Danes softened their requirements. Concerning the specs for a pipe laying vessel, they can be satisfied by Fortuna that is finishing some bits in the German sector. Danes added requirement that the sea has to be sufficiently calm during the work, seems like weather when swimming is forbidden on Baltic beaches, but on summer usually it is permitted. So Fortuna will finish the job on the Baltic.

    A bit weird how Danes oscillate between obstructing and just harrassing. Both USA and Germany seem to have influence.

    Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 8 2020 14:55 utc | 55


    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/irans-missile-launch-against-two-us-bases-in-iraq-calls-trumps-bluff.html#more

    Thanks for the update. There has not been much coverage of the far east projects and I was not aware of them.

    Germany must be squeezing Denmark's balls for it to not use the pretexts available to it to sabotage Nord Stream II. The EU is schizophrenic
    this way since after WWII it became a protectorate of the USA but has the history and population to be a superpower by itself and not
    goosestepping to Washington's music.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:26 am

    That is the pathetic thing... they claim history and culture and art and morality but even when it is against their own interests most of the time they cave to Washington... obviously there is too much obvious money at stake for them to fall in line.

    When the US tells them to impose sanctions on Russia... they will say it is OK because they will cave in soon and you can go back to normal business... the US demanding the EU impose sanctions on Russia is hilarious from this side of the world... basically the EU had business with Russia but the Americans really didn't so the Americans got the EU to stop trading with Russia to get Russia to do what the US wanted... talk about being used by a friend...

    The funny thing is that strategic level stuff is not effected... the US never mentioned sanctions on Titanium or Space rocket engines... funny that... wonder why they were happy to put European stuff like gas turbine technology from Siemans on the list but parts for US aircraft never managed to make it to the final list of banned items...
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    Post  owais.usmani on Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:52 am

    JohninMK wrote:Today Tass (or Tacc) gave a big update on Nord Stream-2.

    Number one, Academic Cherskiy will remain in the Far East, because it is essential in completion of far more important projects than Nord Stream. Pipes from Sakhalin (and through Amur river? I am not sure on that) together have to deliver 80 [huge units] per year, and they will be laid by Tschersky (Nord Stream 2 has capacity 55 HU)

    Number two. Danes softened their requirements. Concerning the specs for a pipe laying vessel, they can be satisfied by Fortuna that is finishing some bits in the German sector. Danes added requirement that the sea has to be sufficiently calm during the work, seems like weather when swimming is forbidden on Baltic beaches, but on summer usually it is permitted. So Fortuna will finish the job on the Baltic.

    A bit weird how Danes oscillate between obstructing and just harrassing. Both USA and Germany seem to have influence.

    Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 8 2020 14:55 utc | 55


    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/irans-missile-launch-against-two-us-bases-in-iraq-calls-trumps-bluff.html#more

    Thanks for the update but looks like you have posted the wrong URL here. Can you please post the TASS URL?
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    Post  owais.usmani on Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:02 am

    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Russias-Putin-Turkeys-Erdogan-Launch-TurkStream-Gas-Pipeline.html

    Russia’s Putin, Turkey’s Erdogan Launch TurkStream Gas Pipeline



    The Presidents of Russia and Turkey, Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan, respectively, officially launched on Wednesday the TurkStream natural gas pipeline designed to ship Russian gas to Turkey and markets in southeastern Europe.

    Through TurkStream, Russia’s gas giant Gazprom will carry pipeline gas to Turkey and south and southeastern Europe—a region already heavily dependent on Russian gas supplies.

    TurkStream consists of two lines—one to carry gas for the Turkish market, and another to ship the gas further westward on to Bulgaria, Serbia, and potentially Italy and Hungary.

    The official launch of the pipeline in Istanbul was also attended by the prime ministers of Bulgaria and Serbia, Boyko Borissov and Aleksandar Vucic, respectively, as well as by Russia’s Energy Minister Alexander Novak and Gazprom’s management committee chairman Alexey Miller.

    “It is important for Bulgaria to receive gas from different sources at competitive prices,” Borissov said on Twitter after the ceremony.

    Bulgaria started receiving gas via Turkstream on January 1, while Serbia and North Macedonia began receiving the Russian gas on January 5.

    TurkStream extends Russia’s dominance in gas supplies to Turkey and southeastern Europe and bypasses Ukraine, with which Russia has strained relations since the annexation of Crimea in 2014.  

    Russia and Ukraine reached a deal on the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine to Europe in the eleventh hour, preventing a potential gas supply crisis during the winter in Europe.

    Commenting on the launch of TurkStream, Gazprom’s Miller said in a statement:

    “Firstly, taking into account exports via Blue Stream, we have paved the way for direct transit-free supplies to fully meet Turkey's needs for Gazprom's gas. Secondly, Europe now has a new and reliable route to receive Russian pipeline gas.”

    “There is no doubt that, thanks to all of this, our cooperation with our Turkish and European partners is shifting to a new level and is going to help improve energy security in the region,” Miller added.

    Critics of Russia’s energy policy, including the U.S., the Baltic states, Poland, and several other EU countries, say that it is Moscow’s gas supply dominance that undermines Europe’s energy security.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:08 am

    Critics of US supplying Europe with cheap gas state that the EU are our mates and should be buying our gas at 4-5 times the price they get it from Russia because our gas is freedom gas, and their gas enslaves them all to being Putins pawns in some game we really don't understand...

    Russia is providing a convenient and cheap and reliable source of gas for Europe... if the US was a real friend they would be happy for them, but they just want to sell their own product...

    The butt hurt is amusing.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:27 am

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/industry-and-energy/2020/01/novatek-adds-several-trillion-cubic-meters-its-arctic-reserves

    Novatek adds several trillion cubic meters to its Arctic reserves


    The remote Yamal and Gydan peninsulas are getting increasingly important for Russia’s energy sector as several huge fields are added to the project portfolio of the country’s biggest oil and gas companies.

    The tundra lands located along the northern parts of the Kara Sea hold what appears as an endless pool of natural gas.

    This is now the top priority region of Novatek, the company that is owned and managed by Russia’s richest man, Leonid Mikhelson. The powerful natural gas baron and his company has over several years invested huge sums in regional fields and in late 2017 opened its Yamal LNG project.

    That, however, was only the first joint in what ultimately will be a chain of new Arctic installations and plants.

    New big fields
    In the course of 2019, Novatek won several new licenses to fields in the area. The latest of the acquisitions is the Bukharinskoye, a field located partly on land, partly offshore, in the Gydan Peninsula and adjacent Gulf of Ob.

    Regional subsidiary company Arctic LNG 1 on the 27th of December won the right to exploit the huge Arctic natural gas field that holds an estimated 1,19 trillion cubic meter of gas and 74 million tons of liquid hydrocarbons.

    The resources of the new license area allow us to boost reserves and pave the way for more LNG projects, similar to the Arctic LNG 2, Novatek says.

    Leonid Mikhelson and his company in late 2017 launched its Yamal LNG project and intends to start production at the Arctic LNG 2 in 2022. The latter will ultimately produce 19,8 million tons of liquified natural gas per year. That comes in addition to the more than 17 million tons annually produced in the Yamal LNG.

    The Bukharinskoye follows the acquisition of the Vostochno-Ladertoyskoye field in mid-December. The fields holds an estimated 184 billion cubic meters of reserves.

    The biggest acquisition of the year was the Soletsko-Khanaveyskoye field that holds as much as 2,18 trillion cubic meters of gas.

    In May, another three license areas were obtained in the northern part of the Krasoyarsk region, an area located east of the Gydan Peninsula.

    Vast reserves
    All together, Novatek’s license acquisitions in the region in 2019 most likely amounted to more than 4 trillion cubic meters of natural gas. That is about 8 times the total annual consumption of the European Union.

    The EU in 2018 consumed 458,5 billion cubic meters of gas, of which 155 billion was imported from Russia.

    Novatek now has more that 55 field licenses in the far northern Yamal-Nenets region, many of them situated near the Gulf of Ob and the Yenisey River.

    A key part of the natural gas produced in Yamal and Gydan are aimed at the EU market. Novatek is exporting a big part of its Yamal LNG to EU countries and Gazprom has built new powerful pipelines, among them the Bovanenkovo-Ukhta and the Nord Stream, are linked with Europe.

    That comes in addition to the regional reserves possessed by Gazprom. The state natural gas company has a license portfolio in the Yamal Peninsula that totals 32 field licenses with resources exceeding 26 trillion cubic meters. The biggest of the company’s regional fields, the Bovanenkovo, holds about 4,9 trillion, and is now operated at full capacity.
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:49 am

    kvs wrote:Germany must be squeezing Denmark's balls for it to not use the pretexts available to it to sabotage Nord Stream II. The EU is schizophrenic
    this way since after WWII it became a protectorate of the USA but has the history and population to be a superpower by itself and not
    goosestepping to Washington's music.


    Would that be a good thing though?

    Historically a Europe that's united under one roof (through force typically) sets its sights straight on Russia

    US pressure on Nord Stream II has given Europe an argument to force Russia to accept unfavourable terms over gas transit in the Ukraine.

    Russia thinks its throwing Germany a bone, wants to entice it. In reality, Germany and the US both support the anti-Russian regime in the Ukraine (and want Russia to fund it), and for all Russia knows could have co-operated over this latest sanction threat in secret.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:32 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    kvs wrote:Germany must be squeezing Denmark's balls for it to not use the pretexts available to it to sabotage Nord Stream II. The EU is schizophrenic
    this way since after WWII it became a protectorate of the USA but has the history and population to be a superpower by itself and not
    goosestepping to Washington's music.


    Would that be a good thing though?

    Historically a Europe that's united under one roof (through force typically) sets its sights straight on Russia

    US pressure on Nord Stream II has given Europe an argument to force Russia to accept unfavourable terms over gas transit in the Ukraine.

    Russia thinks its throwing Germany a bone, wants to entice it. In reality, Germany and the US both support the anti-Russian regime in the Ukraine (and want Russia to fund it), and for all Russia knows could have co-operated over this latest sanction threat in secret.

    I don't trust the EU, Germany, Denmark and the rest of the precious west. After centuries of bloody colonialism they act
    as if they are the moral leaders of humanity. What a grotesque joke. But in this case we have two choices: either do
    everything to prop up the Kiev regime, or throw it under the bus. I am not seeing how the former can be the current
    policy of Germany since it is enabling the construction of Nord Stream II. If it was going to prop up Kiev, then it
    would never have allowed Nord Stream II to even start. Denmark's flip flopping is not normal behaviour. They are
    a US vassal, yet they are not following orders of Washington. First they concede on the territorial waters point, now
    they concede on the use of the Fortuna barge for pipe laying after claiming it was not acceptable. It is just too much
    tin foil to see this all as elaborate theater. Such theater achieves nothing so it cannot be happening.

    Being a US protectorate, the EU is not really under full control of Washington. Germany and others realize that Russian piped
    gas is the most economical choice and that US LNG is 1) at least 30% more expensive regardless of current dumping tricks
    by the yanquis, and 2) a fraud since the US does not have the export capacity to service the EU. Germany is independent
    enough to act on this knowledge and is not some marionette that would have signed up for US LNG 10 years ago.

    So my point about schizophrenia stands. Germany supported the Croats in the break up of Yugoslavia including the
    ethnic cleansing of Krajina and West Salvonia Serbs (500,000 people) and supported the Nazis in the Kiev putsch. So
    the Germany foreign policy establishment is a branch of the CIA. But the rest of Germany is not a branch of the USA
    and has its own interests. This includes minimizing import costs of energy.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:07 pm

    The deal with the comedian in Kiev was Always necessary, even if Nord Stream II and III would have been ready last year. The pipelines in Banderistan are needed to supply customers in Hungary, Austria and some other central and south-eastern european states. In four to Five years all pipelines coming from TurkStream and Nord Stream will be ready to supply all customers in Europe, then the morons in Kiev are done.
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:46 pm

    Hole wrote:The deal with the comedian in Kiev was Always necessary, even if Nord Stream II and III would have been ready last year. The pipelines in Banderistan are needed to supply customers in Hungary, Austria and some other central and south-eastern european states. In four to Five years all pipelines coming from TurkStream and Nord Stream will be ready to supply all customers in Europe, then the morons in Kiev are done.

    By that time even those morons would have found a way to manage

    And I don't want Russian money to be lost on giving them discounts in the interim. We'll be funding all their little Ukrainization and discrimination campaigns for the next 4-5 years.

    This is a retreat from Russian interests, appeasment.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:58 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Hole wrote:The deal with the comedian in Kiev was Always necessary, even if Nord Stream II and III would have been ready last year. The pipelines in Banderistan are needed to supply customers in Hungary, Austria and some other central and south-eastern european states. In four to Five years all pipelines coming from TurkStream and Nord Stream will be ready to supply all customers in Europe, then the morons in Kiev are done.

    By that time even those morons would have found a way to manage

    And I don't want Russian money to be lost on giving them discounts in the interim. We'll be funding all their little Ukrainization and discrimination campaigns for the next 4-5 years.

    This is a retreat from Russian interests, appeasment.

    Agreed.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:03 pm

    So your solution is that all russian customers in Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Austria and so on don´t receive any gas until the new pipelines are build?
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:05 am

    Hole wrote:So your solution is that all russian customers in Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Austria and so on don´t receive any gas until the new pipelines are build?

    No, simply commit a contract with them for a couple years, with no discounts.

    Anything else is blackmail and must be refused.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:29 pm

    No hurry now Ukraine deal is done.

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