The only reason there are European companies involved in the Nord stream pipeline was because Germany asked the Russians to split responsibility.
So what is the big deal?
A minor delay in the pipeline being completed... Russian homes are not going to freeze over this... and any european countries complain about not being able to get gas can be referred to the Swiss and the Americans and the Germans for the decisions they made.
And Russia was under no obligation to give the filthy rich west any charity.
The Russians should have ignored their main customer?
They probably made sure it wasnt near by to take over the pipe laying so that it forces Russian government to sign a bullshit deal with Ukraine.
What are you dribbling about? Even if it was loaded with pipes and in position the deadline was yesterday... the original company was not going to finish in time let alone any replacement company... and even assuming they did manage that bit of magic they would still need to move gas through the Ukraine... even if both ships were doing the job and they finished 6 months ago they will still need the contract with the Ukraine and the terms would not likely have been much different from the ones they got.
Now Anti Russian Ukrainians will enjoy free money from Russia, cheaper gas and all the while kill more Russians because of their nonsense.
They are getting money from the EU via EU countries paying for Russian gas... Kiev is getting a cut of the money component of the gas price that covers delivery, so they are getting nothing from Russia in that sense, and they have a lot less money than they used to have and are still not getting mates rates gas.
And they haven't killed any Russians... those are ukrainians they are killing within their own borders.
GarryB cant seem to figure this out. Nor can anyone else. Ukraine is an enemy of Russia. Yet Russia now pandered to them. Even Ukraine shows more of a spine with no nuclear weapons than Russia does.
Mike can't seem to figure out that the Ukraine borders Russia and that is NEVER going to change. The current regime in the Ukraine are dicks and funded by people who hate Russia, but pretty soon poverty is going to convince them that trading and commerce is the only way out of the hole they have dug for themselves and Russia doesn't mind trading with them as they have for a very long period to date... in contrast their new buddies in the west are not interested in the Ukraine except what they can steal and sell and make money on. How long do you think it will be for the west to realise the Ukraine is a burden... how long before some bright spark in the EU realises they could send all their dark skin coloured newest citizens to go and live in the Ukraine the way the UK sent their criminals and poor to Australia a few centuries ago. What will the nazis in charge of the Ukraine think of getting a bit of colour... perhaps what the baltic elite think... last article I read from a baltic state mentioned how white Russia is and how christian they are and how dark skinned these people causing trouble in Sweden are and how muslim they seem to be too... changing demographics seems to have tempered their belief that Russia is to blame... funny that...
Russia is being retardedly soft.
Being hard line would result in a stalemate which benefits the Ukraine and the US vastly more than it benefits Russia.
That is the wrong signal to send a pack of hyenas (NATO). They only know blood and fear. Russian leaders think that acting like a goody two shoes
will give them credit. Idiots. It will bring scorn and additional misery down the line.
NATO is led by the US, and the signal to the US is that the EU runs on Russian gas... why is that the wrong signal?
The likes of Garry and rest here think its some kind of smart maneuver when it isn't.
No I don't. I just see it as a compromise... the Ukraine got a 5 year contract when they wanted a 10 year one, but Russia wanted a one year contract... probably because Russias position will be much stronger in one years time when alternative pipes are pumping, but I think a 5 year contract offers better stability and also gives the Ukraine a chance to elect another government and time to sort out their shit regarding their separatist regions... the way they handle that might effect how Russia wants to treat them as a neighbour and a customer of their product.
Getting that 2.6 billion out of the way could potentially offer the chance of a new start, not that I am very hopeful, I think it is worth a try...
The amount of guaranteed gas flow is much lower than Kiev wanted, which is good for Russia.
This Russia-Ukraine gas transit deal (with all its positives and negatives) was what could be negotiated under the circumstances. No side is a 100% winner, and no side is a 100% looser. Everybody had to compromise.
It would be better to short change yourself than to give more money to the enemy. simple.
They have no way to use it against Russia effectively... 2.6 billion is not going to help much even if you held a gun to the head of the person distributing it it would still largely disappear. Hunter Biden was getting 50K a year for probably not doing anything... where else is the money haemorrhaging in that one company let alone all the other little branches...
What, build them up so they can join NATO and then be used as fodder to kill your people?
If NATO wants them to join what difference will it make if Russian gas is moving through their pipes to customers in Europe?
If they don't want them then no matter what they do they wont be a part of NATO.
Besides the more bloated NATO gets the better I would think... enormous waste of money and resources for fighting US wars all over the world...
Your false idea of being pragmatic blinds you from seeing what really happened - Russia is now responsible to take care of a country financially, that is being built up to be a springboard for war against Russia.
Use your fucking brain.
They are paying them transit fees which they have been doing the last 60 odd years... Russia is not going to give them anything else... for goodness sake you make it sound like they signed ownership of Gazprom over to them and now they own all the gas fields and all the pipes and everyone has to pay them money.
Take a valium. You are the one spouting brainless points based on ludicrous assumptions.
Take a valium?
How American to try to solve problems with drugs.
Russia has signed a gas transit deal. To get permission to transport gas across ukrainian territory they had to pay them money to be allowed to do so... how much is the gas per cubic metre? How many billion cubic metres are being transported across ukrainian territory?
They might be getting 7 billion dollars in transit fees but Russia will be getting hundreds of billions of dollars in profit from gas sales to the Ukraine and the EU so it is worth it for Russia to do so.
Cutting off your nose to spite ones face is what the Ukraine does... not Russia... they are the sensible ones that say no to drugs.
You assume that Russia engaged with Banderastan in some sort of neutral business negotiation. But Russia did not even have
to engage in any negotiation in the first place. All it would have taken was for it to deploy the pipe laying ship from Primorsk to the
Baltic several months ago.
Bullshit... even if they sent it over at the start of the project and had it working the other end of the pipeline and they finished the damn thing a year ago they would still need a gas transit contract with the Ukraine.
[qutoe]The crescendo of US sanctions made such a move obvious. All you clowns who systematically ignore
this point are full of it and your opinions on this subject are totally worthless.[/quote]
We ignore it because it is pointless and irrelevant. Even at full capacity Nord Stream I and II and South Stream I and II don't carry enough to replace what the Ukrianian pipes can transport now and South Stream needs to be connected up which is going to take a lot of time with back stabbing dirt bags like Bulgaria and mortal enemies like Turkey and Greece involved.
Negotiations with butchers are tantamount to a sell out.
So no negotiations with the west at all?