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    Syrian War: News #20

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:28 pm


    Shame we can't embed Twitter videos...

    Journalist Oleg Blokhin Inside former US base in Manbij

    https://twitter.com/Kyruer/status/1184018510835568641

    Good morning everybody from Manbij!

    I am currently in the American base in which only yesterday morning they were in, and this morning: we're here.

    Now we get to see how they lived, what they spent their time doing, how they ate...
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:12 pm

    Update on the agreement, much more on where the SAA are going. Note no mention of Deir and the south east oil fields in this version which looks more tactical that the previous one.


    Elijah J. Magnier
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    This is the agreement stipulated between #Damascus #Syria and the Syrian #Kurds via @HalaJaber. Any other speculations are inaccurate.


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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:54 pm


    Russian troops moving into Manbij

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    Footage from abandoned American base in Manbij

    US troops said something bad about Russian momma

    Also in addition to nice infrastructure and vehicles someone also left a classic Gameboy, maybe Russians should be good sports and tell Lavrov to give it back to owner next time he is stateside? lol1

    I mean someone could be emotionally attached to it

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X5dyWr7NAhY




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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:12 pm

    Hilarious.

    Those Americans sure live luxury and then they got kicked out without firing a single shot from Russian side.

    They sure are butthurt.

    lol

    Make good use of that pop and beer left behind, and use the cooking equipment to make some damn fine food!
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    Post  medo Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:01 pm

    We all forgot about glorious brave French army, which was also there to protect Kurds. Yes, It's true, that Trump from not very clear reason give order to US army to leave the area of Turkish operation, that Erdogan could start it. But he didn't give the order to French army. Why didn't glorious brave French army stood for Kurds and protect them? Whole EU would stand behind French army and even Trump could send US troops back. Most probably Erdogan would not start operation if French army would stand against it. But they didn't. When Brave French army find out, that US army is leaving, they hide themselves and sh*t their pants. Ok, it could be the opposite, that they first sh*t their pants and than hide and stay quiet and pretend that they are not there until the Russians and SAA take control over situation and than quickly run out from Syria with full pants. French army is the strongest army in EU and as such represent whole EU. In this remarkable days French army clearly show to the whole World, what France and with them whole EU means without US or eventuel Russian protection. They all smell the reputation of French army. Erdogan smell it, Kurds smell it, SAA smell it, Putin smell it, other Arabs smell it, Chinese smell it and even US and Israel smell it. Even before no one take EU seriously, but now… With new reputation comes new value. Erdogan have his eyes on oil and gas around Cyprus, for which Greece gives concessions to French Total and Italian Eni. Now they will not be able to push Erdogan out from those explorational holls.
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    Post  Isos Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:26 pm

    It's not a secret that we can't project power in Syria without the US.

    In terms of power we could blow up turkey pretty easily. Their f-16 are only targets for Rafales. They can't defend against our cruise missiles. Our navy is way better than anything turkey has. Aster 30 would provide umbrella above our fleet and keep the f16 far away while rafales destroy them. Then with no air force and no air defence they are defenceless.

    Why didn't glorious brave French army stood for Kurds and protect them?

    The same turks killed deliberatly russian pilots. Why didn't russian army stand for them ? Why didn't they stand with SAA when french or US or Islrael targeted them ?

    Russian power projection is not that much better, they could do it only thanks to remaining soviet equipment. Hmeimim can be overwhelmed and destroyed pretty easily by turkey. It's not 4 su35 that will save them against a full modern army 100km away.




    The thing is that all Turkey decision about Syria made them isolated and they gained nothing out of them. No need for a war against them. All the world sees them as terrorist sponsors and they are stupid enough to think that Putin is their friend while it's only goal is to make it to hurt NATO and that China will "help" them for free. Turkey is not even a regional power. They can't do anything against Israel and now they can foret Cyprus exploitation. EU is sanctioning them, US are sanctioning them, Russia is playing with them like a cat plays with a mouse and China don't give a fuck about them.
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    Post  medo Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:56 pm

    Russia didn't flee. Russia place sanctions against Turkey and start arming planes with AA missiles and ECM pods and bring air defense units to protect operation. Russia also stand with SAA. They modernize and reorginize SAA air defense, that they could defend themselves and coordinate their work. Russia stand with them in the battlefield with their soldiers. They didn't flee from Syria with full pants like French did. Now Russian MP patrols between Turkish and SAA lines near Manbij to prevent confrontations. This is the difference, which anyone could see.
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    Post  auslander Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:07 pm

    Now, with all the screaming, fake and false news, axes to grind and egos to massage, here's what you, and I, have been looking at for the last couple years and in spades the last two or three days. I didn't write this, a comrade did whilst we were discussing exactly the events listed below. I post with his permission, he don't know of us on this forum.


    "There is a larger Geo-Regional Shift going on, Putin has pulled the rug on 80 years of hegemony.
    He’s more dangerous than Kalibrs and S-500s.
    He has dismantled the Likkud, the Dems, the Brits, the Neo-cons and blunted the massive military of the Pentagon while safeguarding Syria for a comeback, stealing Turkey, protecting China and North Korea, stopping a lot of India’s nonsense with Pakistan and China.
    And has stabilized Russia."

    Thoughts?

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    Post  Manov Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:37 pm

    Of Course Auslander (i always read you in the comment section of The Saker)

    It is very well summarized. The imperial arrogance versus the rising powers intelligence. Of course nobody is perfect, but thanks to his initiative, all the peoples of the world that are subjugated to the AZ (i am from latin america) have now a shed of light, an indication that the all mighty empire, is not so no more.
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    Post  Isos Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:40 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/zana_medi/status/1184157762571456513

    Turkish armoured vehicle (MRAP I think) sized by ypg. Russia may learn about Nato standards for light vehicle from that and test the ammo used against its own BMPs.
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    Post  medo Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:47 pm

    Syrian War: News #20 - Page 8 Caesar10

    Who knows. Maybe Putin is reincarnation of Julius Caesar. He quite resembles him. Anyway, no doubt Putin will come in history books as Caesar of 21. century. This last week will be writen in all history books. Everything is changing extreamly quickly.
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    Post  auslander Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:21 pm

    Manov wrote:Of Course Auslander (i always read you in the comment section of The Saker)

    It is very well summarized. The imperial arrogance versus the rising powers intelligence. Of course nobody is perfect, but thanks to his initiative, all the peoples of the world that are subjugated to the AZ (i am from latin america) have now a shed of light, an indication that the all mighty empire, is not so no more.

    Their withdrawal, US, their 'contractors', the Brits, the French and some other folks, was somewhat rapid, there is no doubt from the footage of the one abandoned base so far. I'm sure other bases are being inspected at this time. The problem with upping stakes and literally running away is folks will remember that tail between the legs dash far longer they they will remember a heroic victory. This struggle is far from over, but we've seen a little glimmer of light in the darkness. One can only hope that the glimmer grows to a new dawn.

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    Post  Hole Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:22 pm

    There is nothing to learn form NATO standards.

    This illegal murican base looked rather shitty, even compared to some outposts of the syrian army. Embarassed

    It would be the greatest humiliation for them if the russians would dismantle the whole thing, put it on a ship and deliver it to some murican harbor. Very Happy

    Latest news: Su-35´s blocked turkish F-16´s from bombing Manbij and some other cities.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:10 pm

    medo wrote:Syrian War: News #20 - Page 8 Caesar10

    Who knows. Maybe Putin is reincarnation of Julius Caesar. He quite resembles him. Anyway, no doubt Putin will come in history books as Caesar of 21. century. This last week will be writen in all history books. Everything is changing extreamly quickly.
    I'm sure Putin was in The man from U.N.C.L.E. TV series in the 60s.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:11 pm


    More from abandoned base, in addition to bringing back Gameboy Lavrov also needs to check if that dog has a name:

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:16 pm

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:32 am

    Poland is starting to doubt the quality of it's alliance with US. A known conservative newspaper published an article saying that if US betrayed Kurds, Poland may be next.

    Well...
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    Post  Isos Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:44 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Poland is starting to doubt the quality of it's alliance with US. A known conservative newspaper published an article saying that if US betrayed Kurds, Poland may be next.

    Well...

    Poland isn't really in state of war against anyone. How could US betray them scratch ?

    And US never betrayed the kurds. They helped them against ISIS, the war was done and won. The problem with the kurds now is happening because they though they would get a kurdistan and wanted to bring the US into a politico-diplomatic conflict against Turkey for next 30-50 years (Kosovo conflict is 20 years old and still not solved, neither is Taiwan issue solved after almost 50 years).

    Trump was right to move out and it wasn't a surprise move, he said that since long time ago.

    By leting the SAA or should I say Russia takes their positions, they disturbed and stoped the turkish invasion plan and get out of new middle east nightmare that could have destroyed even more the entier region because an independant kurdistan would mean wars with Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq. At least now kurds are safe because Russia won't let SAA kill all of them.

    The US exit was well done IMO.
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    Post  Vann7 Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:49 am

    US don't have allies.. it only have Interest.   and US interest the #1 is the creation of a world empire
    completely dominated by them.. So the day Poland no longer need ,will be betrayed too ,if it is good
    for their interest they will do it..  If the next week A meteor crash destroying all Russia.. the next day US will close their bases in Poland ,Ukraine and Balticsa ,norway and Romania..and Turkey too.. ,will be no longer need.. their friendship.. and will be ditched like an used condom. Since the only reason those countries are important is because they are close to Russia.. and US military needs based near Russia , to increase their offensive and defensive capabilities.

    and Trump is doing it right in leaving.. from any point of view .. is the best idea..
    Because it helps him to score points with his base for re-election after promising "ending the wars"..

    at same time helps NATO to keep doors open with Turkey.. they later can recover the Control of
    Turkey when remove erdogan from power. in a coup.

    last but no least.. The CIA and Congress can stage a provocation ,and sacrifice American lives ,
    ambush their own soldiers so they killed ,so later Trump blamed for it ,for ordering leaving Syria so fast..
    and use the incident to make Trump lose the possibility for re-election.


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    Post  crod Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:01 am

    israelis are very quiet these days...election fiasco aside.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:53 am

    JohninMK wrote:....
    I'm sure Putin was in The man from U.N.C.L.E. TV series in the 60s.

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    This guy looks more like Optimus Trump than Putin... Cool

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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:16 am

    Now, with all the screaming, fake and false news, axes to grind and egos to massage, here's what you, and I, have been looking at for the last couple years and in spades the last two or three days. I didn't write this, a comrade did whilst we were discussing exactly the events listed below. I post with his permission, he don't know of us on this forum.


    "There is a larger Geo-Regional Shift going on, Putin has pulled the rug on 80 years of hegemony.
    He’s more dangerous than Kalibrs and S-500s.
    He has dismantled the Likkud, the Dems, the Brits, the Neo-cons and blunted the massive military of the Pentagon while safeguarding Syria for a comeback, stealing Turkey, protecting China and North Korea, stopping a lot of India’s nonsense with Pakistan and China.
    And has stabilized Russia."

    Thoughts?

    Auslander

    What I find most funny is that Putin isn't the aggressor in this, and neither is Iran... it has been the west that has acted the way it does all over the place... Putins reactions and Irans reactions to the actions of the west have put Russia and Iran in the positions they are today, but are blamed for their aggression.

    Putin has not been attacking the west... in fact the opposite... he wants good relations with them, but their rejections and actions against Russia leads Putin to make choices and decisions and actions that further greatly improve Russias position and quite frankly make the west look stupid and incompetent.

    He has made clever decisions that are not irrational or emotive tantrums... they could have just shot down a turkish aircraft in revenge, but could turkey and russia have the same relationship they have now if they did?

    All this bullshit talk from the US and EU... I suspect most Turks are thinking why are we on that team... when was the last time Putin criticised Turkey and told them what they should or should not be doing.

    What leader of any country should be telling any other country what they should be doing?

    Wonder where they will be sending SeigSoloyvov?

    Trump was right to move out and it wasn't a surprise move, he said that since long time ago.

    Trump made campaign promises to improve relations with Russia, and in that case leaving Syria would be very good for Russia and in fact the Syrian people, so in that sense it is the right thing to do... as long as it is clear they are doing this to help Russia and not doing it for any other reason because that would nullify the effect of leaving in terms of relations with Russia.

    He has also openly dumped the Ukraine, which is another action that the Russians will like too...

    Wonder if the next step might be to cross the Brits and say there is not enough evidence that the Russians were responsible for the Skripals and that all those sanctions and actions against them in that regard will be rolled back too... I wouldn't expect any apology... that would just be too much.

    Of course the worst thing for Russia would be if the US started being nice... we know they are the devil so when the devil starts being friendly you need to be careful and aware...
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    Post  zorobabel Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:06 am

    I feel crazy saying it out loud, but I'm seriously starting to believe that Putin and Trump set a devastating trap for Erdogan.

    Edit: SDF+SAA launched a counterattack in Ras al-Rayn, appear to have recaptured a few positions and fought the TFSA to a standstill.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:10 am

    I feel crazy saying it out loud, but I'm seriously starting to believe that Putin and Trump set a devastating trap for Erdogan.

    Why would Putin turn on Turkey?

    What chances do Russia have of good relations with the US... remember that bitch at the UN say America and Russia can never be friends and that the US will slap the Russians when they think they need it?

    The US has been actively acting against Syrian and Russian interests in Syria... why even consider cooperating with them now?

    Russia needs good relations with Turkey because Turkey isn't going any where.

    And do you think anything Trump does is planned or could work?

    He is not a good businessman nor a good politician... he checks the way the wind is blowing and then pisses into the wind because he is the president and the wind will change direction for him so his shoes don't get wet.
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    Post  nomadski Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:46 am


    Well the Yanks have not left Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan. They have limited numbers. True. But what can go up can come down. And vice versa. This president has learnt lesson. But what of the next? And if Turkey stops advance or leaves and kurds feel safe again, then Yanks could build numbers again. History repeating. Or is it?

    The Syrians must be ready to absorb kurds into their ranks. The kurds must disband armed groups. The process must be followed by positive political developments and economic developments in the East. No more this border post for kurds. This oil field for the kurds. It is all Syrian now. And if the kurds and Yanks want to go back and repeat history. Then it should be the hammer and sickle approach for them. The Turkish hammer to crush and the Syrian sickle to reap.

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