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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:38 pm


    They finnaly admit it sucks and it is useless. lol1 So that's like 1 billion $ at the garbage right ?

    Have seen youtube videos where the author claimed more like 17 billion has been wasted on LCS ships... so there is rather more invested in these vessels than that...

    In 10-5 years, anything is possible. They may also sell them to Egypt, Romania, Poland, Bulgaria, Indonesia or Ukraine,if it still exists by then.

    I doubt they will sell them to anyone... they will pretty much have to strip them of their entire contents as either being too secret or faulty or both, and considering their price there is no country that could afford to buy them at a price that would approach what they cost, so the amount of return you would get is not likely going to be worth it.

    The few countries that might be interested in a look would be the countries the US is way to paranoid to let any where near them... and I suspect their interest would be more regarding amusement than professional interest anyway.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:51 pm

    Egypt, Romania, Poland, Bulgaria, Indonesia or Ukraine

    None of them has 500 million $ for a ship armed with a 57mm gun.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:33 pm

    It's up in the air, but we r talking about only the first 4 LCS https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2019/12/24/us-navy-proposes-decommissioning-first-4-lcs-more-than-a-decade-early/

    Japan could buy some of them- they have a huge EEZ with many small islands & may need more ships to deploy in the W. Pac. & the Indian Ocean. http://www.russiadefence.net/t7582p25-japanese-navy#271420

    Even if they r sold for pennies, the cost of maintaining them in reserve would be saved. A few countries may sign modification, maintenance & upgrade contracts with US firms as well.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:01 pm

    5 changes the Navy and Marine Corps can make to take on China

    I don't think it'll help them much: even if those SC Sea islands r taken, China can bombard them with BMs until they leave & retake them.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:56 pm

    Update: https://www.janes.com/article/93837/bell-boeing-flies-first-osprey-for-us-navy
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:29 am

    Even if they r sold for pennies, the cost of maintaining them in reserve would be saved. A few countries may sign modification, maintenance & upgrade contracts with US firms as well.

    Yeah, the reason they want to get rid of them is because they will be expensive to operate or modify or upgrade and they really are no good for their intended purpose.

    The chance of anyone else finding a use for them except as a dive wreck is pretty slim...

    Japan could buy some of them- they have a huge EEZ with many small islands & may need more ships to deploy in the W. Pac. & the Indian Ocean

    My understanding is that the Jap navy is already modern and relatively well equipped... why would they want these dogs?

    They have a history of making their own designs based on US designs like the F-15 and F-16 variations and tanks etc, they don't normally take US military surplus crap.

    Even if they r sold for pennies, the cost of maintaining them in reserve would be saved. A few countries may sign modification, maintenance & upgrade contracts with US firms as well.

    It is well known the US MIC makes a lot of money off service contracts with inflated prices that are effectively bribes to the US... not many countries would put up with such blatantly obvious crap though.

    I don't think it'll help them much: even if those SC Sea islands r taken, China can bombard them with BMs until they leave & retake them.

    Little value in trying to take them because supporting them would be expensive and complicated by Chinese actions to get them back...

    Update: https://www.janes.com/article/93837/bell-boeing-flies-first-osprey-for-us-navy

    Wow.... all that time you spent trying to convince me Russia should have a tilt rotor aircraft and the USN didn't even operate one... what a phoney. Embarassed
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:57 pm

    They r & will be using the USMC V-22s for COD till the navy version is built in sufficient #s.
    http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2020-01-25/100_usnavy25012020.html?print=Y

    https://www.janes.com/article/93924/us-navy-deploys-triton-uav-for-first-time


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:36 am

    The Navy's newest carrier is currently a sad joke
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:57 am

    Navy preps its new USS Ford carrier for massive ocean warfare

    The # of areas/countries they can go in/against is dwindling. It's a race against time!
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:16 am

    US and French aircraft carriers conduct cross-deck exercises

    https://usa-newnews.com/new-news/us-and-french-aircraft-carriers-swapped-fighters-during-an-exercise-in-the-mediterranean/
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:19 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:US and French aircraft carriers conduct cross-deck exercises

    https://usa-newnews.com/new-news/us-and-french-aircraft-carriers-swapped-fighters-during-an-exercise-in-the-mediterranean/

    Bit like "show me yours and I'll show you mine" when we were kids. Two sitting ducks touching each other up. Bet French wasn't spoken much Smile
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:12 am

    https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2020/03/07/destroyers-left-behind-us-navy-cancels-plans-to-extend-service-lives-of-its-workhorse-ddgs/

    Canceled plans to extend life of 27 burke class destroyers (flight I and early flight II ships) from 35 to 45 years, so quite a bit of ships will be retired starting from 2026.

    US has currently 62 burke class destroyers, 8 are being built and 13 additional ships (including 11 of the new variant flight III) have been approved for construction.
    Apparently there was plans for building up to 42 ships of the latest (Flight III) variant, also because there is no replacement for this class (the zumwalt class has been an overexpensive failure).

    It is not yet clear what they will do with the Ticonderoga class cruisers too (if they approve the life extension plans) . The US navy has 22 of them and if they don't extend their life they will have start retiring them next year, when the oldest of them turns 35 (the youngest Ticonderoga class cruiser is 26 and will turn 35 in 2029)
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:38 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2020/03/07/destroyers-left-behind-us-navy-cancels-plans-to-extend-service-lives-of-its-workhorse-ddgs/

    Canceled plans to extend life of 27 burke class destroyers (flight I and early flight II ships) from 35 to 45 years, so quite a bit of ships will be retired starting from 2026.

    US has currently 62 burke class destroyers,  8 are being built and 13 additional ships (including 11 of the new variant flight III)  have been approved for construction.
    Apparently there was plans for building up to 42 ships of the latest (Flight  III) variant, also because there is no replacement for this class (the zumwalt class has been an overexpensive failure).

    It is not yet clear what they will do with the Ticonderoga class cruisers too (if they approve the life extension plans) . The US navy has 22 of them and if they don't  extend their life they will  have start retiring them next year, when the oldest of them turns 35 (the youngest Ticonderoga class cruiser is 26 and will turn 35 in 2029)

    Just as the INF Treaty dies they plan on retiring nearly half of their Arleigh Burke fleet starting in 2026? Seems counterproductive.dunno
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    Post  kvs on Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:09 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2020/03/07/destroyers-left-behind-us-navy-cancels-plans-to-extend-service-lives-of-its-workhorse-ddgs/

    Canceled plans to extend life of 27 burke class destroyers (flight I and early flight II ships) from 35 to 45 years, so quite a bit of ships will be retired starting from 2026.

    US has currently 62 burke class destroyers,  8 are being built and 13 additional ships (including 11 of the new variant flight III)  have been approved for construction.
    Apparently there was plans for building up to 42 ships of the latest (Flight  III) variant, also because there is no replacement for this class (the zumwalt class has been an overexpensive failure).

    It is not yet clear what they will do with the Ticonderoga class cruisers too (if they approve the life extension plans) . The US navy has 22 of them and if they don't  extend their life they will  have start retiring them next year, when the oldest of them turns 35 (the youngest Ticonderoga class cruiser is 26 and will turn 35 in 2029)

    Just as the INF Treaty dies they plan on retiring nearly half of their Arleigh Burke fleet starting in 2026? Seems counterproductive.dunno

    It shows what a joke the INF was. The US used the ridiculous sea-borne exemption to push the intermediate range missiles onto ships.

    They no longer have to do this so they can scrap the costly fleet of INF busters. Parking the nuclear tipped cruise missiles onto
    Polish, Romanian and other retard soil is cheap and easy. The launchers are there already and they were deployed when the INF
    was still active, so they were full on violations.

    No treaty with the US has any value. They always cheat and negotiate compromised terms which they can abuse. And they can
    extract themselves from any obligations on a moment's notice. So what is the f*cking point of abiding by any treaty that the
    USA uses as a disposable fig leaf?

    The only thing that works to force US compliance to any sort of sane international behaviour is fear induced by deployed facts
    on the ground.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:58 am

    The contours of post-global America: a country without aircraft carriers
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2880248.html
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:12 pm

    The US is preparing to cede the oceans to China
    ..the US military budget for 2021 provides for the formation in the marine corps of mobile batteries for land-based anti-ship systems based on the Oshkosh L-ATV wheeled armored vehicle. Raytheon Corporation, together with the Norwegian company Kongsberg, developed a system for launching NSM (Naval Strike Missile) anti-ship missiles with a range of 3 to 185 kilometers.
    As planned by the command, the mobile units of the marine corps will be able to secretly land on the islands to organize anti-ship ambushes there. Such tactics have proven themselves in the partisan formations of the Hussites in Yemen against the Saudi and Emirate fleets. Now it intends to take over and the US Marine Corps.

    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2884347.html
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:00 pm

    What is a carrier but a cruise ship to frighten the natives?

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:58 pm

    The ammo lifts don't work, the arrester wire system is flaky and now this. Beyond parody yet they still ordered 4 more.

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    We break: New toilets on the U.S. Navy’s two newest aircraft carriers clog so often that the sewage systems must be cleaned periodically with specialized acids costing about $400,000 a flush, according to a new congressional audit https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-24/unclogging-toilets-at-400-000-a-flush-among-navy-cost-overruns
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:50 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The ammo lifts don't work, the arrester wire system is flaky and now this. Beyond parody yet they still ordered 4 more.

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    We break: New toilets on the U.S. Navy’s two newest aircraft carriers clog so often that the sewage systems must be cleaned periodically with specialized acids costing about $400,000 a flush, according to a new congressional audit https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-24/unclogging-toilets-at-400-000-a-flush-among-navy-cost-overruns
    via @bpolitics

    $400k per flush! Shocked  Money floating on Shit Creek, and being flushed down the toilet. Holy Hell! Embarassed
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    Post  Isos on Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:51 pm

    US food ...
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:14 am

    US food ...

    MRE... meals rejected by ethiopians....

    But the EMAL cats don't work either so it is effectively a helicopter barge...

    BTW wonder what these special acids do to the environment when flushed out of the ship into the surrounding water...

    They are spending so much money you would think they would be coming up with solutions to these problems... sounds like they are just throwing money at them and telling them to fix it but short of a complete fundamental redesign it might not be the sort of thing you can solve with lots of cash... but of course they wont refuse any offers of more money I suspect.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:33 am

    For 400 000 $ they can get enough civilian toilets for 10 ships ...

    This thing is another way of paying corrupted people.
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:08 pm

    Isos wrote:For 400 000 $ they can get enough civilian toilets for 10 ships ...

    This thing is another way of paying corrupted people.

    Sounds like they undersized the main sewage pipes or they had too many bend or the gradients were too shallow. Also looks like the simple solutions, rodding or reverse water jetting aren't an option.

    Whatever it is it is pretty much designed into the core of the ship so very difficult to rectify.

    They laugh at the K smoking but this is really bad basic marine engineering.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:43 am

    Well they aren't using the main deck... why not fit 200 portaloos on the the aircraft deck... it is not like they are using that for anything...

    Someone should photoshop up a line of portaloos taken from some music festival and paste them on to the deck... I could do with a new wallpaper for my computer...

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