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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:51 pm

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    Post  medo on Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:52 pm

    Isos wrote:
    crod wrote:How in the name of Christ do they honestly stand there and talk about being stronger than Iran. The latter would slaughter them in a conflict and doing so by proxy.

    Houtis are a guerilla, people with AKs in the desert. A bomb from a f-15 won't damage them because there is ONLY people wide spread accross the country to target.

    Iran is a country. Iran has lots of valuable targets for saudis and UAE like its nuclear facilities, fuel storage, weapon storage. One bomb from f15 will make huge damage if it falls on one of those targets.

    US aren't doing better in afghanistan against talibans but destroying the iraqi army and economy was a matter of days.

    You are confusing conventional war with astmetric war.

    BS. This battle is a clear classical warfare. Block, encircle and destroy. All by the book. Houtis do this perfectly. On the other hand we have epical total incompetence of Saudi officers. They send whole brigade if not even bigger unit without protection on flanks, without securing high points on the hills, when the main unit is driving on the road in the gorge and without air support. Flying an F-15 to drop some bombs when they all surrender is not a support. Air force should fly in front of the unit to control the area, to bomb enemy units on the hills and if the unit is encircled, they should bomb out the exit route and cover unit, when exiting. Is air defense of Houties really such fear for Saudi pilots? Even few old MiGs of marshal Haftar in Libya provide better air protection to his units, than whole Saudi air force. Twisted Evil  This is epic failure.


    nomadski wrote:It looks like Saudi ground troops have lost all morale. They obviously feel much safer in Yemen as POW than facing and fighting them.

    I think you won't have much better morale if you are leaded by a total idiot. No one wants to die for an idiot.


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    Post  medo on Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:59 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    From this video it is clear, that non stealth cruise missiles attack their targetas from higher altitude and are not flying low to attack from horizontal flypath. This is even bigger embarasment for US and KSA air forces, EW radars and air defenses, that they didn't detect them. They are really easy targets for Skyguard and Crotale batteries around rafinery.
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    Post  medo on Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:07 pm

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    LNA MiG-23 is circling around LNA column and giving air protection. This is exactly the job, which Saudi air force didn't do. They could only bomb schools, hospitals, weddings, funerals, etc.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:49 pm

    kvs wrote:Thanks for the pictures.  How convenient of the USA to provide them so quickly and with such high resolution.   Recall the harvesters in the Donbass being passed off as
    Russian artillery pieces several years ago using grainy US "spy photographs".   The chorus of Iran did it coming from the USA and its minions is grotesque.

    To me it looks like most of the damage is to storage tanks.   Some cracking towers got hit, but this is not a 5 month rebuild project as it currently stands.



    Honestly the Houthis took responsibility, moreover they've had several successful ballistic missile strikes, but most importantly MBS was set to sell Aramco equity. MBS was desperately trying get Aramco to have a valuation $2 Trillion, before they were set to open IPO of Aramco. Aramco was already valued by (Western) analysts to have value $1 trillion, now after this event poor little MBS will not get his precious $2 trillion valuation, its more likely he'll get sub $1 trillion, and the risk involved in buying Aramco stock will likely have analysts having a bearish outlook out it's future.
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    Post  crod on Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:53 pm

    medo wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    crod wrote:How in the name of Christ do they honestly stand there and talk about being stronger than Iran. The latter would slaughter them in a conflict and doing so by proxy.

    Houtis are a guerilla, people with AKs in the desert. A bomb from a f-15 won't damage them because there is ONLY people wide spread accross the country to target.

    Iran is a country. Iran has lots of valuable targets for saudis and UAE like its nuclear facilities, fuel storage, weapon storage. One bomb from f15 will make huge damage if it falls on one of those targets.

    US aren't doing better in afghanistan against talibans but destroying the iraqi army and economy was a matter of days.

    You are confusing conventional war with astmetric war.

    BS. This battle is a clear classical warfare. Block, encircle and destroy. All by the book. Houtis do this perfectly. On the other hand we have epical total incompetence of Saudi officers. They send whole brigade if not even bigger unit without protection on flanks, without securing high points on the hills, when the main unit is driving on the road in the gorge and without air support. Flying an F-15 to drop some bombs when they all surrender is not a support. Air force should fly in front of the unit to control the area, to bomb enemy units on the hills and if the unit is encircled, they should bomb out the exit route and cover unit, when exiting. Is air defense of Houties really such fear for Saudi pilots? Even few old MiGs of marshal Haftar in Libya provide better air protection to his units, than whole Saudi air force. Twisted Evil  This is epic failure.


    nomadski wrote:It looks like Saudi ground troops have lost all morale. They obviously feel much safer in Yemen as POW than facing and fighting them.

    I think you won't have much better morale if you are leaded by a total idiot. No one wants to die for an idiot.

    Exactly, +1
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    Post  crod on Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:57 pm

    medo wrote:Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 3 D3clry10

    LNA MiG-23 is circling around LNA column and giving air protection. This is exactly the job, which Saudi air force didn't do. They could only bomb schools, hospitals, weddings, funerals, etc.

    Truly unbelievable there was no support. The incompetence of the ksa military hierarchy is astonishing.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:35 am

    The KSA doesn't care about the people it pays to be in its armed forces... you can bet if there were any members of the royal family in the armed forces they will be well away from any front line... or conversely right up in the cannon fodder ranks leading the suicide charges directly on the leaders orders.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:53 am

    It sort of reminds me of medieval kingdoms who also practiced widespread use of foreign mercenaries
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:35 pm

    Saudies used to be a skilled leaders of their army and that was than and now they seem to just throw everything as they buy into combat with only hope in their mind that it will succeed. If you look at history every Army without proper leadership or preparation achieved successfully only its destruction and now seeing a Saudi Army as a paper tiger on its knees will rightfully only embolden Huti Army for a more daring attack who will I think is a matter of time start to waiver.
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    Post  medo on Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:50 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:It sort of reminds me of medieval kingdoms who also practiced widespread use of foreign mercenaries

    Saudi Arabia is medieval kingdom.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:05 pm

    medo wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:It sort of reminds me of medieval kingdoms who also practiced widespread use of foreign mercenaries

    Saudi Arabia is medieval kingdom.

    It's more accurate to call them a Bronze Age Tyranny.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:04 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    kvs wrote:Thanks for the pictures.  How convenient of the USA to provide them so quickly and with such high resolution.   Recall the harvesters in the Donbass being passed off as
    Russian artillery pieces several years ago using grainy US "spy photographs".   The chorus of Iran did it coming from the USA and its minions is grotesque.

    To me it looks like most of the damage is to storage tanks.   Some cracking towers got hit, but this is not a 5 month rebuild project as it currently stands.



    Honestly the Houthis took responsibility, moreover they've had several successful ballistic missile strikes, but most importantly MBS was set to sell Aramco equity. MBS was desperately trying get Aramco to have a valuation $2 Trillion, before they were set to open IPO of Aramco. Aramco was already valued by (Western) analysts to have value $1 trillion, now after this event poor little MBS will not get his precious $2 trillion valuation, its more likely he'll get sub $1 trillion, and the risk involved in buying Aramco stock will likely have analysts having a bearish outlook out it's future.
    Fitch downgrades the Saudi's, now it's time to say goodbye to MBS and his dream of a $2 trillion valuation of Aramco!  lol1

    Fitch Downgrades Saudi Arabia’s on Rising Geopolitical Risk

    The Saudi's put the Vassal in Vaseline. Wink
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:15 pm

    To continue what I was saying, the real damage caused by the Houthis has yet to reveal itself:


    The media reported on the next postponement of the IPO Saudi Aramco

    The company wants to first provide investors with a report for the III quarter, sources say

    Moscow. October 18th. INTERFAX.RU - Saudi state-owned oil company Saudi Aramco has postponed an announcement on an initial public offering, the Financial Times reported citing three sources. One of them said that the IPO was postponed, but not canceled, and the second, that we are talking about a delay of several weeks. Earlier it was assumed that the IPO will be announced on October 20.
    The company wants to give investors a clear idea of ​​its financial situation after the September drone attacks on its oil facilities, which temporarily reduced its production, says a third FT source. She waits, when it will be ready to report for the III quarter, which accounted for the attack, and hopes that the good financial performance will strengthen the confidence of investors, say two sources CNBC and sides The Wall Street Journal
    IPO is delayed until December or January, writes WSJ.

    The meeting with investors on September 30 raised questions for the management of the company, sources in this publication say. According to them, Aramco CEO Khalid al-Dabbah did not present at this meeting the standard data that is usually provided to investors, including not explaining how the company determines its value and did not clarify the company's relationship with the Saudi government.
    On October 17, Aramco announced that it was continuing preparations for an IPO and would launch it when market conditions allowed it and when shareholders wanted it.
    Earlier it was reported that the announcement of the IPO Saudi Aramco could be made on October 20, October 27 - the placement prospectus was published, the road show could begin on November 3. The company intends to place about 2% of the shares at a price based on which Aramco will be fully valued at $ 2 trillion.
    Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud first announced the possibility of placing a stake in Saudi Aramco in January 2016. He planned to use the funds received from the light for economic reform. After two years of preparation, the process was frozen in August 2018. Preparations for the IPO resumed in the summer of 2019.

    https://www.interfax.ru/business/680839


    The brilliance of the strike by the Houthis is the relevant timing of the strike (literally and figuratively). They must have known what MBS had planning for Aramco. The real damage caused by the Houthis is that they damaged the credibility and the time table of Aramco's IPO. MBS was trying to get a $2 trillion IPO for Aramco (was already valued by Wallstreet to have a value of $1 trillion), and the flip-flops played spoiler and effectively killed any chance for Aramco to get it's mythical $2 trillion IPO!  lol1

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