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    Svyatoslavich

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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Sat Aug 29, 2015 12:47 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:Man, Russia's gonna take a hit when regime change happens in Venezuela, so many good weaponry falling into U.S hands. Suspect
    Yes, unfortunately true. It won't take much considering the very bad economical situation in the country. At least Russia didn't sell to Venezuela its top-notch equipment (S-400, Su-35).
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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:26 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Man, Russia's gonna take a hit when regime change happens in Venezuela, so many good weaponry falling into U.S hands. Suspect
    Yes, unfortunately true. It won't take much considering the very bad economical situation in the country. At least Russia didn't sell to Venezuela its top-notch equipment (S-400, Su-35).

    S-400s not for sale yet and SU-35s are to expensive, the TOR-M2E was a goody, a pity, Pantsir is next i bet.
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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  flamming_python on Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:04 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Venezuela received several wheeled BUK-M2 batteries

    Several battalions of SAM "Buk-M2E" went to serve in Venezuela

    Man, Russia's gonna take a hit when regime change happens in Venezuela, so many good weaponry falling into U.S hands. Suspect

    There's a reason Russia sells export versions.

    Russia had no problem sharing its S-300/S-400 with South Korea, agreeing to sell Iskander systems to Saudi Arabia, or selling Pantsir-S1s to other Gulf Arab states; yet all of them are US client states.

    The Buk series is nothing the US isn't familiar with from Finland, Georgia or the Ukraine.
    Russia is about to introduce the Buk-M3, therefore the US getting its hands on and analyzing the export version of the Buk-M2, 1-2 years from now, is not that big a deal.
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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Aug 29, 2015 4:35 pm

    Venezuela's government is actually have the generals more in control than the president himself. In this case, they run the economy as well of Venezuela. Even if Madruo gets booted, someone else will take his place that will be similar.

    Their economy decisions are very questionable of course, but there isn't that much they can do at the current time to change that.
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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  Viktor on Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:59 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Man, Russia's gonna take a hit when regime change happens in Venezuela, so many good weaponry falling into U.S hands. Suspect

    It does not matter for the export version and export versions (one of many ) are whats being sold.

    Different kind of export version exists for the countries that are targeted for hostile take over.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:03 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Venezuela received several wheeled BUK-M2 batteries

    Several battalions of SAM "Buk-M2E" went to serve in Venezuela

    Man, Russia's gonna take a hit when regime change happens in Venezuela, so many good weaponry falling into U.S hands. Suspect

    There's a reason Russia sells export versions.

    Russia had no problem sharing its S-300/S-400 with South Korea, agreeing to sell Iskander systems to Saudi Arabia, or selling Pantsir-S1s to other Gulf Arab states; yet all of them are US client states.

    The Buk series is nothing the US isn't familiar with from Finland, Georgia or the Ukraine.
    Russia is about to introduce the Buk-M3, therefore the US getting its hands on and analyzing the export version of the Buk-M2, 1-2 years from now, is not that big a deal.

    From what i have been able dig up, the S.Korean KM-SAM has more to do with the S-350 rather then the S-300/400, and Iskander for SA is news to me, Pantsir was expected.

    I'm not worried about Russia, i know the exports can't be compared with the domestic ones much less the next gen M3, i am more concerned about the other parties that have bought the exports that are under threat of future western "freedom crusades", a pity for them. Sad
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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:05 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Man, Russia's gonna take a hit when regime change happens in Venezuela, so many good weaponry falling into U.S hands. Suspect

    It does not matter for the export version and export versions (one of many ) are whats being sold.

    Different kind of export version exists for the countries that are targeted for hostile take over.

    I hope your right Viktor, i really do. Neutral
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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:45 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Man, Russia's gonna take a hit when regime change happens in Venezuela, so many good weaponry falling into U.S hands. Suspect

    It does not matter for the export version and export versions (one of many ) are whats being sold.

    Different kind of export version exists for the countries that are targeted for hostile take over.

    The problem is not that people see the export versions as equal to russian domestic versions, but rather the US which lacks generations behind russia and even other countries in PVO will get technologies that surpass any modern version of their Patriot PAC3 or any other system not to mention the non existent modern western SHORADS the US would have when they get their hands on.

    Air Defence is a strategic asset and to play into your enemies hands with technologies it does not posses as right now is a very big mistake in planning, imo.

    The US isn't stupid, they drive their proxy war via european countries towards russia and russia sooner or later will have to retaliate with nukes against NATO strategic assets in Germany (mainly) but the US will still have used tactical nukes against russia, while Russia will not see fit or attempt using tactical nukes against US mainlan which would be necessary not to mention out of justice to punish the evil of this WW3 policy.
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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  Viktor on Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:52 pm

    Werewolf wrote:The problem is not that people see the export versions as equal to russian domestic versions, but rather the US which lacks generations behind russia and even other countries in PVO will get technologies that surpass any modern version of their Patriot PAC3 or any other system not to mention the non existent modern western SHORADS the US would have when they get their hands on.

    Air Defence is a strategic asset and to play into your enemies hands with technologies it does not posses as right now is a very big mistake in planning, imo.

    The US isn't stupid, they drive their proxy war via european countries towards russia and russia sooner or later will have to retaliate with nukes against NATO strategic assets in Germany (mainly) but the US will still have used tactical nukes against russia, while Russia will not see fit or attempt using tactical nukes against US mainlan which would be necessary not to mention out of justice to punish the evil of this WW3 policy.

    I think US has way bigger problem with Russian PVO than the one you mentioned. US besides your argument with which I agree does not know where to place them because protecting

    US on the scale seen in Russian case would bancrupt them momentarely.
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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:49 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:The problem is not that people see the export versions as equal to russian domestic versions, but rather the US which lacks generations behind russia and even other countries in PVO will get technologies that surpass any modern version of their Patriot PAC3 or any other system not to mention the non existent modern western SHORADS the US would have when they get their hands on.

    Air Defence is a strategic asset and to play into your enemies hands with technologies it does not posses as right now is a very big mistake in planning, imo.

    The US isn't stupid, they drive their proxy war via european countries towards russia and russia sooner or later will have to retaliate with nukes against NATO strategic assets in Germany (mainly) but the US will still have used tactical nukes against russia, while Russia will not see fit or attempt using tactical nukes against US mainlan which would be necessary not to mention out of justice to punish the evil of this WW3 policy.

    I think US has way bigger problem with Russian PVO than the one you mentioned. US besides your argument with which I agree does not know where to place them because protecting

    US on the scale seen in Russian case would bancrupt them momentarely.

    That is one argument, but the little perception or maybe even fact that russia wouldn't even use tactical nukes against US if US dares to attack Russia via proxy NATO meatshield and with their tactical nukes in Germany,Netherland, Italy, Turkey not to mention nukes brits and french have. I see that as a huge problem and the current policy and hardcore pushing of US to go crazy with NATO agaisnt russia along with their deployment of ABM in east europe to counter any retaliation with tactical nukes to stop NATO from attacking Russia, all that combined with russias reluctance and limited capability with tactical nukes to attack US mainland is problem.

    To further elaborate what the problem is, if you do not punch the bully he will keep bullying, so russia needs to destroy military assets in US in when the US attacks Russia, but strategic weapons are a no go and will not be used, since MAD is assured, the only option is tactical nuking and deep strike missions the only other even more likely option is nuking with Shkval US Navy fleet and comprimising it to the level of Finish fleet to assure US shuts the fuck up for rest of time. That is what is necessary, if Russia tries to play WW3 by US rules and fight only the proxy vassal meatshield states in Europe it will lose, it needs to get US not just a bloody nose but at least a century lasting coma punch so it leaves the rest of the world alone.
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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:31 am

    Venezuela to Buy at Least 12 Russian Fighter Jets - President Maduro
    MEXICO CITY (Sputnik) — Venezuela will purchase at least 12 fighter jets from Russia, President Nicolas Maduro said Sunday.
    "I will talk to [Russian] President Vladimir Putin to deliver at least 12 new [Sukhoi] Su [fighter jets] to Venezuela and replace the one lost [on Friday]," Maduro said as quoted by the Noticias24 news website.

    On Friday, a Venezuelan Air Force Sukhoi Su-30 fighter jet crashed on the country's border with Columbia.

    This comes after a Su-30 crashed in Venezuela. Does our Venezuelan members have any idea as to how the aircraft crashed? Seems that Russian aircrafts are gonna keep getting bad light as Venezuela doesn't seem to have issues with is far older F-16's.
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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:42 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Venezuela to Buy at Least 12 Russian Fighter Jets - President Maduro
    MEXICO CITY (Sputnik) — Venezuela will purchase at least 12 fighter jets from Russia, President Nicolas Maduro said Sunday.
    "I will talk to [Russian] President Vladimir Putin to deliver at least 12 new [Sukhoi] Su [fighter jets] to Venezuela and replace the one lost [on Friday]," Maduro said as quoted by the Noticias24 news website.

    On Friday, a Venezuelan Air Force Sukhoi Su-30 fighter jet crashed on the country's border with Columbia.

    This comes after a Su-30 crashed in Venezuela.  Does our Venezuelan members have any idea as to how the aircraft crashed?  Seems that Russian aircrafts are gonna keep getting bad light as Venezuela doesn't seem to have issues with is far older F-16's.

    Nothing solid has been published only "One crashed during an intercept mission of an unidentified intruding aircraft from Colombia on 17. September 2015.". Also i am not sure how many and how much their F16s are flying tho, you know that they already tried to overhaul them in 1998. i dont think they pulled many flying hours since then.
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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  Kyo on Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:31 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Venezuela to Buy at Least 12 Russian Fighter Jets - President Maduro
    MEXICO CITY (Sputnik) — Venezuela will purchase at least 12 fighter jets from Russia, President Nicolas Maduro said Sunday.
    "I will talk to [Russian] President Vladimir Putin to deliver at least 12 new [Sukhoi] Su [fighter jets] to Venezuela and replace the one lost [on Friday]," Maduro said as quoted by the Noticias24 news website.

    On Friday, a Venezuelan Air Force Sukhoi Su-30 fighter jet crashed on the country's border with Columbia.

    This comes after a Su-30 crashed in Venezuela.  Does our Venezuelan members have any idea as to how the aircraft crashed?  Seems that Russian aircrafts are gonna keep getting bad light as Venezuela doesn't seem to have issues with is far older F-16's.

    Nothing solid has been published only "One crashed during an intercept mission of an unidentified intruding aircraft from Colombia on 17. September 2015.". Also i am not sure how many and how much their F16s are flying tho, you know that they already tried to overhaul them in 1998. i dont think they pulled many flying hours since then.
    Purchase of an additional batch of Sukhoi 30MKs has been confirmed following a meeting between Maduro and his Defence Minister. This was reported by SputnikNews in Portuguese last September as updated on October 5th.
    http://br.sputniknews.com/mundo/20150922/2191363/Venezuela-cacas-sukhoi-russia.html
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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  George1 on Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:01 pm

    Venezuela allocates 480 million dollars for the purchase from Russia of 12 Su-30MK2



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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  mack8 on Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:44 am

    Not sure if i'm mixing things up but didn't a KnAAZ insider said that the Su-30MK2/M2 production is over after the last VVS and vietnamese ones are built? I was suspecting the talk is about 12 Su-35, unless i missed something i don't think a venezuelan official said specifically "Su-30", just "Sukhois".
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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  mack8 on Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:02 pm

    An update regarding the Su-30 contract:
    http://sputniknews.com/world/20160329/1037124484/russia-venezuela-sukhoi-jet.html
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    Re: Arms contracts with Venezuela:

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:49 am

    Russia will start producing Kalashnikov assault rifles in Venezuela in 2019

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/917261

    Nice, but is this wise since Venezuela is going to fall to right wing pro-usa oligarchy in next election 2017 or 2018?


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