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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:50 am

    The astronauts placed mirrors on the moon which we still use to meassure distance. We also can see their equipment and even wheels of the lunar vehicles.

    So with all rsepct...are you saying nations like France, UK, USSR ect did not follow evry step on those flights?

    The moon landings are a historic fact.

    Actually the Soviets returned soil samples and landed rovers on the moon well before the US did, and also well before the US put men on the moon.

    Currently the most useful luneberg lenses on the moon used for measuring are Soviet ones on one of their moon rovers... does that prove Cosmonauts were first on the moon too?

    Thats a simple fact. I could never imagine to live under commuhism, losing my freedom and independence.

    Amusing... in the west there is an illusion of democracy, but such limited choice when election time comes and no matter what they promise they never follow through on making any changes that might actually help the majority... almost like it is communism and the game of voting just change the characters representing the real country... ie rich people and big companies...

    Putin said it that even if he likes ideals of communism it was implemented with greatest repressions and brutuality

    The country with the largest prison population at the moment is the US... and the ones in Guantanimo have not been charged with anything...

    Even the Soviets didn't do that...

    We can see the drive on the moon with the ESA space telescope. You see the trackways

    There are tracks from Soviet ROVs as well... doesn't prove anyone set foot there.

    Oh my the old "They never landed on the moon" Stick Jesus, are you guys that blinded by your hatred you are now in the conspiracy theory market. Though I expect this from KVS, if we say the Color Green is Green he would say it's really yellow.

    Re read the boy who cried wolf... if you say it is Green we would wonder why you want us to think it was green, and we would carefully check it over before deciding for ourselves because you have a history of being thieving lying censored .

    Yes the moon landing really happened, go ask scientists and real ones btw. It's a joke you guys are ranting about this. What's next the US government is secretly controlled by space bugs?, oh maybe Atlantis was an inside job.

    No, the US media and government are controlled by assholes, which is why you can't trust a word they say.


    Communism can never work because its based on a wrong principle. Humans are not the same. They are different. A system that wants all uniform will always fail. It can maintain itelf with brutality or a short time but will rott apart.

    When it is every man for himself then there is only one winner.

    If humans had evolved that way we would not be the dominant species on earth today.

    Communism is about society and being part of a group... rich people fear this because collections offer power... a group of soldiers or policemen are vastly more powerful than any individual... it is just a fact...

    By working in groups and in teams you can specialise and focus and end up with a much better result than if you had to do everything for yourself.

    Make your own clothes? Build your own shelter? Of course you could... but in a civilised society you can specialise in what you are good at and do that for everybody, while they do what they are good at for you.

    Democracy is fundamentally flawed simply because 60 percent of people never bother to vote most of the time anyway, and of the 40% who do... probably 10 % are fucking idiots and a further 20% have no idea who they are voting for and the remaining 10% who actually vote are probably getting it wrong anyway.

    A popularity contest where a charismatic con man can do well as long as he has enough money to support his campaign... which automatically makes him compromised to do a fair job because he owes people who helped him get the job.

    I would never accept a communist government. I would join resistance to destroy it and i know many millions in France would do same.

    Yeah, I bet they are scared...

    We can see the wheel driving marks on the lunar surface. We can also the the moon buggy stand on the surface.

    The Soviets launched a moon buggy years before the Americans claimed to have landed men on the moon.

    The Soviets won the space race... first in orbit, first in space first to photograph the far side of the moon, first to land on moon first woman in space... all the Americans claim to have done is land a man on the moon and bring him back, which I don't believe because they are liars.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:37 am

    GarryB wrote:Democracy is fundamentally flawed simply because 60 percent of people never bother to vote most of the time anyway, and of the 40% who do... probably 10 % are fucking idiots and a further 20% have no idea who they are voting for and the remaining 10% who actually vote are probably getting it wrong anyway.

    A popularity contest where a charismatic con man can do well as long as he has enough money to support his campaign... which automatically makes him compromised to do a fair job because he owes people who helped him get the job.

    Contesting parties in Western countries are basically liars, because much of them are simply catch-all party of power, their aim is getting as much vote as possible to get the ruling position in the government and to extract the profit from that position.

    Therefore their election program is aimed to be as general as possible, as dubious as possible, because they are trying to catch various groups of elector with very different interests.

    Therefore the true social, economical issues are completely avoided because such issues could amplify the inherent conflict between social classes and that go against the policy of catch-all.

    So if you want coffee we will offer you coffee, you want cats or rainbow or pinkie panties we will offer you, you want male bras and topless we will offer you. But workingmen salary, workingmen welfare, exploitation of labourers... well, so complicated... we will talk about it later.

    At the end of the day no matter which party won the contest in Western countries, nothing change.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:53 am

    There is a game called bullshit and it explains the situation perfectly.

    Basically you are dealt a hand of cards and you bid to win.

    Normally the bid starts very low and is easy, but as the bidding goes up you get to the point where you can't bid any higher based on the cards you have, but that means you lose the game, so you keep bidding but you are bluffing.

    If you call someone out for their bid and they can match it they win, if they are bluffing you win.

    Naturally the game gets to a point where you have to increase the bid from the previous bidder and the bid becomes absurd because there is no way you could back up that bid...

    Democracy has turned into this... I will fix all of your problems... but the thing is that by the time you realise I cannot possibly deliver on all my promises that got me elected it is too late and there is nothing in writing if I am careful so you will have to wait until next elections before you can get rid of me.

    Another point is that once the bidding is over none of the bidders now care about promises made whether they can deliver or not... you say what you think they want to hear to get elected and then you blame everything you can't or wont do on the previous government/regime because you don't have time... elect me a couple of times in a row and I can help you...

    Bullshit.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:25 pm

    The credulity of NATO saps is something to behold. Consider the photo above purporting to show Moon buggy tracks. Note anything
    peculiar about this "proof"? That's right, the inconsistent resolution. The only features that show details less than a foot in
    size are the alleged Moon buggy tracks and associated debris. The rest of the field of view is obviously much coarser resolution.
    This photo is doctored BS. BTW, photos are no longer considered hard evidence in courts exactly due to such abuses. The video
    "evidence" of the Moon buggy rides, which is supposed to be more solid, is obviously fake as well since it violates the behaviour
    of dust and vehicle motion in a 1/6 Earth's gravity environment. The Moon Buggy never jumps higher than 6 inches. It should have
    routinely bounced higher than 1 foot (2 inches on Earth). A 4 inch hop on Earth is a 2 foot hop on the Moon.

    Note the roughness of the Moon's surface in the Moon buggy video. In particular the spatial scale and compare to the doctored
    photo trotted out by the racist troll from "France". If the photo had a 6 inch resolution you would see these bumps. There is
    no wind on the Moon to smooth out meteor impact debris. There are all sorts of sharp gradients of dust deposition from the tens
    of thousands of meteor impacts of various sizes. This includes rocks that are 1 foot and 2 feet in diameter scattered all over
    the place. Yet you see no such details in the background, you see only the alleged disturbance by the US astronauts.

    BTW, to all the experts here: since when are we able to make photographs through the atmosphere with resolutions of 12 inches
    and better? If we can photograph the Moon's surface with such detail, then we should have spy satellites produce images
    with such resolution as well. If you are going to invoke the telescope argument and how we observe distant objects. None
    of that involves high resolution surface imaging. Most astrophysics is about measuring emission spectra. In case of
    adaptive optics, the resolution effect would be uniform across the image and not just in the desired parts.

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    Post  kvs on Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:44 pm



    The theme of this video is the bald faced double standards of NATO member states vis a vis demonstrations in Russia.
    When in France we have had 2500 injuries with 75 serious and several deaths, nobody is actually hurt during the
    illegal demonstrations in Moscow and the French Foreign Ministry is crying with concern about "mistreatment" of
    law violators by the police. My gosh, the law breakers were detained. The tyranny!

    BTW, the video does not discuss the fact, that illegal demonstrations in NATO and around the world are dispersed by
    force by the police. Especially if the demonstrators block main streets in congested urban areas. Drivers have rights
    you know. Note that Navalny's schtick is to not apply for legal demonstration permits and then stage civil demonstrations.
    His schtick is to break the law both with illegal demonstration staging and the manner in which the demonstrators behave.
    This is includes open taunting and assault on police officers. By contrast, giving a cop the middle finger in Germany
    carries a fine of 4000 euro. Russia needs to get on the ball and impose similar fines on all these 5th column clowns.

    In case anyone has doubt about NATO police brutality, consider the events in Spain, USA, France and elsewhere in
    this paradise of human rights. The freaks in Moscow should lose some eyeballs and hands for their troubles. Unlike
    the yellow vest demonstrators who actually have a just cause, these 5th column dirtbags in Russia do not.

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    Post  Regular on Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:00 pm

    Kvs, why you want police to touch pile of shit? It's all good now. General public doesn't bat an eye for these protesters and police have no trouble to use all means necessary to control them by arrests and fines. It's not Ukraine, no need to crack any skulls.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:24 pm

    Regular wrote:Kvs, why you want police to touch pile of shit? It's all good now. General public doesn't bat an eye for these protesters and police have no trouble to use all means necessary to control them by arrests and fines. It's not Ukraine, no need to crack any skulls.

    I want them to clear the major streets to allow the free flow of traffic.   Navalny's lemmings are engaged in vandalism.   Why should they have special
    rights?   If the police leave them alone, then these vandals will just ratchet up the provocations.   In a little while they will start to torch buildings and
    more egregious acts.    I guess the cops could wait until this happens, but the NATO MSM will just claim that it is Putin trying to smear the "legitimate
    opposition".   That is, the optics are never going to be bad for these 5th column maggots.   But the optics will always be bad for Russian "regime" police.
    So the proper policy is to crack skulls and dish out pain to the vandals.   Their NATO patrons can screech and howl with phony indignation all they
    want.
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    Post  Regular on Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:16 am

    kvs wrote:
    Regular wrote:Kvs, why you want police to touch pile of shit? It's all good now. General public doesn't bat an eye for these protesters and police have no trouble to use all means necessary to control them by arrests and fines. It's not Ukraine, no need to crack any skulls.

    I want them to clear the major streets to allow the free flow of traffic.   Navalny's lemmings are engaged in vandalism.   Why should they have special
    rights?   If the police leave them alone, then these vandals will just ratchet up the provocations.   In a little while they will start to torch buildings and
    more egregious acts.    I guess the cops could wait until this happens, but the NATO MSM will just claim that it is Putin trying to smear the "legitimate
    opposition".   That is, the optics are never going to be bad for these 5th column maggots.   But the optics will always be bad for Russian "regime" police.
    So the proper policy is to crack skulls and dish out pain to the vandals.   Their NATO patrons can screech and howl with phony indignation all they
    want.

    You have to admit it, they are not maidanuts. They can be spared from bullet. Apart from provocative behavarious they don't threaten status quo and literally don't offer anything apart from throwing hissy fit.

    Russian police cleared the streets without cracking skulls, injuring, shooting people with rubber bullets.
    They released non violent ones and kept the troublemakers.

    The thing is that most of the young protesters grow out of this shit, this why you only see idealistic kids with 0 experience in life who buy Navalnys shit. I suspect that opposition will be silent for long time after this.

    What I would rather see- implementation of higher fines for any unsanctioned protests to compensate disruptions. Hell, even raising fines to absurd levels would help as Western NGOs and handlers would be contributing to Russian economy and paying policemen wages.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:58 am

    I agree with Regular that Russian authorities need not and should not use extreme methods such as "cracking skull" or similar things.

    I don't think Russian protesters fall to the point of unredeemable and I don't think protests in Russia reach the level of Maidan.

    The point here is eliminating the sources feeding these protests. Western propaganda, foreign funds, the masterminds inside and outside of Russia who want to brainwash people for their benefits.

    And of course, Russian authorities should clean up corruptions inside them and improve awareness of Russian people, so that Russian people become less and less susceptible to Western propaganda.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:43 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:I agree with Regular that Russian authorities need not and should not use extreme methods such as "cracking skull" or similar things.

    I don't think Russian protesters fall to the point of unredeemable and I don't think protests in Russia reach the level of Maidan.

    The point here is eliminating the sources feeding these protests. Western propaganda, foreign funds, the masterminds inside and outside of Russia who want to brainwash people for their benefits.

    And of course, Russian authorities should clean up corruptions inside them and improve awareness of Russian people, so that Russian people become less and less susceptible to Western propaganda.

    Your "philosophy" is what helped the 2013/14 Madian coup in Ukraine to succeed.    A fringe lunatic rent-a-crowd is
    a legitimate target.   If Yanukovich had sent in the army to put down the 10,000 armed militants that took over the Maidan
    protest in early 2014, the coup would likely have failed.   But he chose to listen to advice like yours from the EU not to
    touch the "protestors".

    Vandals who are brazenly breaking the law are not "protestors".   So all this bleeding heart moralizing is BS.

    BTW, the Russian police are already treating these thugs with kid gloves. So don't worry, they are not cracking skulls.
    But I dare you to show any information space benefit from this. No matter how soft the treatment the pro-NATO vandals
    get, Russian authorities are always painted as if they are gassing children.

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    Post  Hole on Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:46 pm

    They should treat them like the French treat their protesters: pepper spray, rubber bullets...
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    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:58 pm

    kvs wrote:Your "philosophy" is what helped the 2013/14 Madian coup in Ukraine to succeed.    A fringe lunatic rent-a-crowd is
    a legitimate target.   If Yanukovich had sent in the army to put down the 10,000 armed militants that took over the Maidan
    protest in early 2014, the coup would likely have failed.   But he chose to listen to advice like yours from the EU not to
    touch the "protestors".

    Vandals who are brazenly breaking the law are not "protestors".   So all this bleeding heart moralizing is BS.

    BTW, the Russian police are already treating these thugs with kid gloves.  So don't worry, they are not cracking skulls.
    But I dare you to show any information space benefit from this.    No matter how soft the treatment the pro-NATO vandals
    get, Russian authorities are always painted as if they are gassing children.

    I did not say that Russian authorities should do nothing. But the harshest methods are reserved for the unredeemable, the ringleaders, the ones who owed too much blood debt to be spared. And also the masterminds inside and outside of Russia who funded all these mess. Others can be dealt with a softer manner. Soft treatment used in suitable places and times is a mean to divide and fragment the enemy forces.

    Being ignorant is a sin but that does not means capital punishment or skull cracking.

    In my country there were even harder times, especially in border regions where we had to deal with armed bandits, I say armed bandits, not unorganized mobs. But both soft and hard methods were utilized in tandem, because among the followers of the enemy, many of them were just being fooled, being ignorant, and were redeemable. We did not just simply "cracking skulls" in these cases. We fought the bandits with guns and bayonets but we also managed to use "soft" methods in many cases, and many of the bandit followers voluntarily laid down arms, some of them even supported the authorities against their former masters.

    I don't care about what NATO said. What I said is at the end of the day this is the struggle to take the people, not to kill the people. Just like the game of Othello.

    So that is the reason why in the previous post I said rise the awareness of the public, a knowledgeable public is less susceptible to Western propaganda because they know enough to see that NATO MSM are liars. Also Russian government must deal with the internal enemies, the corrupted individuals. The corrupted officers will betrayed Russia just like the ones who betrayed the USSR in 198x.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:15 am

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-04/very-dangerous-situation-hong-kong-government-issues-warning-protests-become

    Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Such sayings reflect bitter historical experience. China is going to regret letting these
    5th column maggots maintain their protest for so long. Escalation of violence prevention should be job 1 for any police force.
    Coverage by foreign propagandists cannot be allowed to set policy.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:53 pm

    They need to be sophisticated... there will be certain people who escalate things in a protest situation and then walk away afterwards... it is these agitators that need to be arrested and waterboarded... it is OK because the US recognises it is not torture... they have said so... and three months of isolation is also OK... ask Maria Butina, hell being put in prison without charge is fine too... ask those in Guantanimo... if anyone asks about them, say it is a national security situation and you are unable to talk about it... I am sure America will understand.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:48 am

    kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-04/very-dangerous-situation-hong-kong-government-issues-warning-protests-become

    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.   Such sayings reflect bitter historical experience.   China is going to regret letting these
    5th column maggots maintain their protest for so long.    Escalation of violence prevention should be job 1 for any police force.
    Coverage by foreign propagandists cannot be allowed to set policy.

    When the protest movement is reactionary by nature and does not has grassroot support, it will cause backlash from the local population, such as these images, when the local Hongkongers themselves did the crackskulling themselves without waiting police.

    https://www.facebook.com/scmp/videos/444580413054363/

    Such protests may be strong initially because they exploit the upset of the population in the issues which are largely irrelevant to their aims. In such cases the authorities simply wear down the protest support by letting the protest show its true color. The authorities do not want to antagonize the whole population, instead they will let the population realize that protesters are harmful.

    In my country there was a protest initiated by reactionary Catholic clerics... and the protest was successfully dealt with thanks to the huge support from the public when they realized the true color of the protest.

    I would like to say it again and again that rise the awareness of the public and work together with the population to fix the issues in the society. The people know our cause is good and they will support us.
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    Post  Regular on Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:01 pm

    kvs wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:I agree with Regular that Russian authorities need not and should not use extreme methods such as "cracking skull" or similar things.

    I don't think Russian protesters fall to the point of unredeemable and I don't think protests in Russia reach the level of Maidan.

    The point here is eliminating the sources feeding these protests. Western propaganda, foreign funds, the masterminds inside and outside of Russia who want to brainwash people for their benefits.

    And of course, Russian authorities should clean up corruptions inside them and improve awareness of Russian people, so that Russian people become less and less susceptible to Western propaganda.

    Your "philosophy" is what helped the 2013/14 Madian coup in Ukraine to succeed.    A fringe lunatic rent-a-crowd is
    a legitimate target.   If Yanukovich had sent in the army to put down the 10,000 armed militants that took over the Maidan
    protest in early 2014, the coup would likely have failed.   But he chose to listen to advice like yours from the EU not to
    touch the "protestors".

    Vandals who are brazenly breaking the law are not "protestors".   So all this bleeding heart moralizing is BS.

    BTW, the Russian police are already treating these thugs with kid gloves.  So don't worry, they are not cracking skulls.
    But I dare you to show any information space benefit from this.    No matter how soft the treatment the pro-NATO vandals
    get, Russian authorities are always painted as if they are gassing children.


    You are drawing comparison to sick nation that had Orange revolution and Maidan to Russians. Ukrainians had change of heart more than twice. They also have too much time on their hands too.
    Do you know how busy are Russians in Moscow or Piter - only total economic collapse would take workaholics out to streets. But then I am pretty sure you would support them as they would have genuine reason to be there.

    Russians are more like Baltic people with their statism.
    All russian protest are non violent and more tolerant.
    Say whatever about Navalny gang, they are 100x better than Azov and various bandera fanatics. Check the pictures- Do you think these 60 kg manlet faggots and violet haired femoids can shake foundations of Russia?

    There are no large neo-nazi gangs and the ones that exist have nothing to do with meddling in politics and more with larping. There are no prominent separatist movements. There are no loose cannons. There are almost no foreign influence. There are less corruption and rule of law still exists.

    Hence why no one in Russia cares about Russian opposition and their antics and this is why police is very soft on them as they have harsh measures if needed. Opposition also knows that they can't go overboard as well as russian public will stop tolerating it. Now opposition members get paid by western NGOs and the money spent on them goes into abyss.


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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:05 pm

    Regular wrote:Say whatever about Navalny gang, they are 100x better than Azov and various bandera fanatics. Check the pictures-  Do you think these 60 kg manlet faggots and violet haired femoids can shake foundations of Russia?

    Yup and they'll keep attracting more weirdos.
    Do they really think that after the disaster of their policies in the 90s, that they can ever attract the average working man or woman, and with the same tired old slogans and rhetoric?

    The only protest movement in Russia worth going to is an all-people movement that can tackle the multiple regressions in our system and society, and promise the right solutions for them.
    It should not call for revolution either; simply for progress.
    To be frank, such a movement just does not exist.

    I spend a lot of time defending Russia. But the caveat is against who. I'm not defending it from its own people, and would never do that. I'm defending it in the sense of anti-imperialism, and Moscow's middle class hipsters that have decided that they don't have enough priveleges in society - but at the same time fail to propose anything original whatsoever; beyond service to American/European capital and war-aims as Poland, the Ukraine and Yeltsin's Russia had subordinated themselves to.
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    Post  andalusia on Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:33 am

    kvs wrote:The credulity of NATO saps is something to behold.   Consider the photo above purporting to show Moon buggy tracks.  Note anything
    peculiar about this "proof"?  That's right, the inconsistent resolution.  The only features that show details less than a foot in
    size are the alleged Moon buggy tracks and associated debris.  The rest of the field of view is obviously much coarser resolution.
    This photo is doctored BS.  BTW, photos are no longer considered hard evidence in courts exactly due to such abuses.  The video
    "evidence" of the Moon buggy rides, which is supposed to be more solid, is obviously fake as well since it violates the behaviour
    of dust and vehicle motion in a 1/6 Earth's gravity environment.   The Moon Buggy never jumps higher than 6 inches.  It should have
    routinely bounced higher than 1 foot (2 inches on Earth).  A 4 inch hop on Earth is a 2 foot hop on the Moon.

    Note the roughness of the Moon's surface in the Moon buggy video.  In particular the spatial scale and compare to the doctored
    photo trotted out by the racist troll from "France".  If the photo had a 6 inch resolution you would see these bumps.  There is
    no wind on the Moon to smooth out meteor impact debris.  There are all sorts of sharp gradients of dust deposition from the tens
    of thousands of meteor impacts of various sizes.   This includes rocks that are 1 foot and 2 feet in diameter scattered all over
    the place.  Yet you see no such details in the background, you see only the alleged disturbance by the US astronauts.  

    BTW, to all the experts here: since when are we able to make photographs through the atmosphere with resolutions of 12 inches
    and better?  If we can photograph the Moon's surface with such detail, then we should have spy satellites produce images
    with such resolution as well.   If you are going to invoke the telescope argument and how we observe distant objects.  None
    of that involves high resolution surface imaging.  Most astrophysics is about measuring emission spectra.  In case of
    adaptive optics, the resolution effect would be uniform across the image and not just in the desired parts.  


    This is a good article: https://donaldjeffries.wordpress.com/2019/07/18/the-greatest-hoax-of-all/
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    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:36 pm

    So the new anti-Russian ploy by NATO is radiation leaks. Supposedly there was a leak of radioactive Ruthenium last fall from Russia.
    Now we have the BS about "radiation spike" from a rocket engine test explosion. The purpose of the hysteria, based on the
    decades long conditioning of western sheeple to fear all things nuclear, is to rile western lemmings into anti-Russian fervour. This
    is pure war propaganda.

    The Ruthenium leak smells since it is not associated with anything. It is more than likely that it was staged by NATO itself by
    dispatching an infiltrator to release some isotope and then have the west make a stink about it. As with Polonium and Litvinenko
    we have the same fetish for exotics. Releasing some mundane isotope would open all sorts of questions about its source.
    Using something more unique allows for a "clearer" attribution of "guilt".

    As for the rocket engine explosion "radiation spike", that is an example of lying by omission. The clowns posting information about
    some radiation spike do not even stop to consider its very low magnitude and are likely engaged in a misinformation campaign.
    I can set a Geiger counter to its lowest range and walk around town and pick up spikes of radiation too. Without context some
    "spike" on a Geiger counter means precisely f*ck all.

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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:05 pm

    kvs wrote:So the new anti-Russian ploy by NATO is radiation leaks.   Supposedly there was a leak of radioactive Ruthenium last fall from Russia.
    Now we have the BS about "radiation spike" from a rocket engine test explosion.    The purpose of the hysteria, based on the
    decades long conditioning of western sheeple to fear all things nuclear, is to rile western lemmings into anti-Russian fervour.  This
    is pure war propaganda.  

    The Ruthenium leak smells since it is not associated with anything.   It is more than likely that it was staged by NATO itself by
    dispatching an infiltrator to release some isotope and then have the west make a stink about it.    As with Polonium and Litvinenko
    we have the same fetish for exotics.   Releasing some mundane isotope would open all sorts of questions about its source.  
    Using something more unique allows for a "clearer" attribution of "guilt".

    As for the rocket engine explosion "radiation spike", that is an example of lying by omission.   The clowns posting information about
    some radiation spike do not even stop to consider its very low magnitude and are likely engaged in a misinformation campaign.
    I can set a Geiger counter to its lowest range and walk around town and pick up spikes of radiation too.   Without context some
    "spike" on a Geiger counter means precisely f*ck all.


    Well no if 5 Rosatom employees died (Russia's state nuclear corporation) and there was a radiation spike reported by the Russian authorities themselves; then they must have been testing something nuclear.

    Russian authorities have indicated that it was a liquid-fueled anti-ship missile currently in service.

    We know of the recently announced plans to increase the speed of the Onyx anti-ship missiles to near hypersonic.

    So it looks like they were trying to do that with some kind of nuclear thermal source ramjet/scramjet propulsion system. Which gives a clue as to the technology used for the Zirkon as well.

    I've posted this vid before. In Russian only unfortunately:

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    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:48 pm

    https://www.rt.com/usa/466241-epstein-suicide-blame-russia/

    When an American gets diarrhea it must be Russia's fault...

    NATO is populated by genuine imbeciles.


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    Post  kvs on Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:02 am



    Retard parade.

    Some Banderastan ex-pat claims that Russian sounds like Klingon. To the average non-Slav, actually both
    Ukrainian and Russia sound very similar. For obvious reasons.

    Little whorelet pandering to American morons.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:08 am

    They mentioned an isotope as being part of the fuel being used, which probably relates to the radiation they are worried about.

    The Zircon uses very high energy fuel and testing it on the Onyx would be risky because its fuel system was not designed for the fuel being used in Zircon.

    I suspect this is Zircon high energy fuel being tested in an Onyx and the fuel system failing violently... that would be loading the fuel, not actually launching the missile when all the people would be safe inside bunkers for such a test.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:09 am

    kvs wrote:

    Retard parade.

    Some Banderastan ex-pat claims that Russian sounds like Klingon.   To the average non-Slav, actually both
    Ukrainian and Russia sound very similar.  For obvious reasons.

    Little whorelet pandering to American morons.


    -Sigh-

    That wasn't an insult, stop being so passive-aggressive every time someone says something about Russia. She just said to her the languages sound similar and I speak Russian and they are some similarities with the language, not alot but it's there.

    You'd honestly give Americans a very bad opinion of Russians if you acted like this to every single thing.

    Btw the Klingons political infrastructure was based on Communist Russia and Nazi Germany with attire looking some Asian cultures they were designed to be the finest warriors.

    So the creator based them off that.
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    Post  franco on Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:37 pm

    She is actually of Ukrainian Russian descendant. Has not liked what has happened in Ukraine but has to be careful how much she says so...

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