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    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:01 pm

    Hole wrote:Just look at Japan. The rise in cases was embarrassing for the government so they stopped testing people. Shocked

    Yeah, in the Orwellian mind-space of the NATzO MSM that is perfectly proper behaviour. But Russia not acting like an SJW toilet is
    proof of Russia's evil.

    Really, NATzO can go and f*ck itself.

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    Post  Regular on Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:52 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    What did russia do so far?

    So what you are saying is that Russia is controlled by the US?

    No, i say russia is controlled by greedy oligarchs or that greedy oligarchs have way too much influence.

    Almost all countries are controlled by greedy oligarchs.

    This virus showed true face of governments. They care about ¢$€¥ more than general health of population. Russia wasn't that bad compared to UK, France, US..
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    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:06 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Aristide wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    What did russia do so far?

    So what you are saying is that Russia is controlled by the US?

    No, i say russia is controlled by greedy oligarchs or that greedy oligarchs have way too much influence.

    Almost all countries are controlled by greedy oligarchs.

    This virus showed true face of governments. They care about ¢$€¥ more than general health of population. Russia wasn't that bad compared to UK, France, US..

    Russia was and is stellar compared to the NATzO toilet. Russia is the only major power that has a representative government and
    not a deep state (aka upper class) sock puppet show.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:47 pm

    With all the doom and gloom in the world, it's nice to have a good laugh every once in a while:



    In the USA, they showed in a video how they can destroy Topol-M and S-400
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    The US military is very puzzled by the opposition to Russian ballistic missiles. So Lockheed Martin released a video simulating a strike on a Russian rocket.

    As you know, Lockheed Martin Corporation is one of the pillars of the American military industry, playing a major role in the production of aircraft. Naturally, it has a huge influence on the American leadership, an impressive lobby and enjoys great authority in the United States.

    The corporation recently released a special video dedicated to Skunk Works. This is a secret research group within the corporation and responsible for a number of Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk, Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II, U-2, Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird combat aircraft projects. These aircraft, as you know, are used by the air forces of many countries of the world and are the pride of the US Air Force.

    The video focuses on the future of ISR & UAS technology and includes footage of a simulated preemptive strike against the Russian S-400 missile defense system and the Topol-M mobile intercontinental ballistic missile system. It was the S-400 and Topol-M that were repeatedly indicated in the American media as the most dangerous Russian systems. Therefore, at least in the form of imitation, but blows to them “caress” the gaze of American “hawks”.

    We see on the frames of a published video the possibility of an exact strike of an American cruise missile. Before that, a remote-controlled surveillance aircraft discovers the Topol and S-400 mobile systems and directs missiles at the target.

    An intercontinental ballistic missile is deployed in a launcher container mounted on an 8-axle off-road chassis. The chassis includes jacks, gas and hydraulic drives and cylinders with a capacity of several hundred tons for lifting and leveling the launcher, accelerating and slowing down the lifting of the container with the rocket in a vertical position.

    It is interesting that the United States is not the first time to rehearse strikes on Russian targets. For example, in February, the US Department of Defense talked about simulating a nuclear strike against Russia. Such actions by the American side testify to its unequivocal attitude towards war. Indeed, for the United States, Russia is one of the most probable, along with China, military-political opponents.

    At the same time, the American leadership is very worried about the growth of the military power of the Russian armed forces, the emergence of new types of weapons in Russia, although the old ones, which are used with might and main in the troops, pose no less threat to the enemy. Therefore, they are practicing actions against Russia in the United States, dreaming of striking at Russian targets.

    It’s not worth ironicizing such videos - their very appearance indicates that American military-industrial companies are busy analyzing how to suppress Russian missile defense and what weapons are best used to destroy it.

    Interestingly, unmanned aircraft play an important role in this video.. It is its development and improvement in recent years that has been one of the highest priorities of the American military department.





    https://topwar.ru/169178-v-ssha-pokazali-na-video-kak-unichtozhat-topol-m-i-s-400.html
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    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:35 pm

    God what delusional masturbation. So yanqui magic sealth drones, missiles, and toilets, will fly into Russian controlled airspace and will be totally
    invisible. Why? Because Russia will be using one 1950s era radar? The people who literally wrote the book on stealth will not be aware of
    cross-coverage by multiple radars operating on multiple frequencies? The people which are among the world leaders in science will not be
    aware of passive emissions from any RAM coating (to the fanboi retards: if a material absorbs, it must emit)?

    That little toy fantasy is absurd. The current S-400 can track the F-22, F-35, B-2 and any other "stealth" that the US throws at it.
    The only way that the US could blind the S-400 is with ECM and here the yanquis are playing second fiddle to Russia.

    These morons are certifiable.

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    Post  Isos on Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:04 pm

    lol1 lol1

    Iran destroyed their most expensive stealthy drone with hime made AD. Slovak radar made with a budget of 10$ tracked their b2. And they think they can strike a topol in the middle of Russia ?

    Are those f-35 going to use russian airports to refuel ? lol1
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    Post  Hole on Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:29 pm

    Like their plan to develop an artillery system with 1.000 mile range, while their army is still using an howitzer from the 60´s as main artillery weapon! lol!
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:13 am

    kvs wrote:God what delusional masturbation.   So yanqui magic sealth drones, missiles, and toilets, will fly into Russian controlled airspace and will be totally
    invisible.   Why?  Because Russia will be using one 1950s era radar?  The people who literally wrote the book on stealth will not be aware of
    cross-coverage by multiple radars operating on multiple frequencies?    The people which are among the world leaders in science will not be
    aware of passive emissions from any RAM coating (to the fanboi retards: if a material absorbs, it must emit)?

    That little toy fantasy is absurd.   The current S-400 can track the F-22, F-35, B-2 and any other "stealth" that the US throws at it.
    The only way that the US could blind the S-400 is with ECM and here the yanquis are playing second fiddle to Russia.  

    These morons are certifiable.


    Not only that, even if the planes were actually able to fly undetected (practically impossible, if they plan to fly inside russian territory) they would not have the range to get to the strategic missile locations.
    Furthermore S400 never operates on its own.

    The other funny thing is that they seem to forget that Russia has an air force too...

    I mean, it would have been much more credible if they showed launches of ICBM and IRBM against Russia
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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:51 pm



    The US patent system is an utter fraud. For example the BS patents by Theranos the recently exposed fraud operation to produce
    a microchip blood analysis system are considered valid even though they are totally empty. There is no actual viable technology
    in these patents. The patents literally rest on the "I said it first, I own it" concept. So if a company in the future actually does
    develop real technology which Theranos claimed with its BS patents, the owners of the Theranos patents (they are still viable
    and have been bought up by another company) can sue them (successfully) for patent infringement.

    You can't make this shit up. America is a toilet of fraud.

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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:03 pm

    https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/18/21185006/softbank-theranos-coronavirus-covid-lawsuit-patent-testing

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    Post  PhSt on Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:27 pm

    NATO propaganda media is working hard to discredit Russia's help to Italy by citing statement from an "Unnamed" source Rolling Eyes



    80% of Russia’s Coronavirus Aid to Italy ‘Useless’ – La Stampa

    Around 80% of the coronavirus supplies that Russia has sent to Italy are “useless,” the country’s La Stampa daily reported Wednesday, citing high-level political sources.

    Russia sent 600 ventilators and 100 military virologists and epidemiologists to Italy following talks between President Vladimir Putin and Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte last Saturday. Footage of Russian military trucks en route from Rome to the coronavirus epicenter of Bergamo circulated online this week.

    “Eighty percent of Russian supplies are totally useless or of little use to Italy. In short, this is little more than a pretext,” an unnamed source told La Stampa.

    The source said the Russian supplies consist of disinfection equipment, a field laboratory for sterilization and chemical prevention, and other similar tools.

    La Stampa’s sources claimed that Putin is pursuing geopolitical and diplomatic opportunities with the aid package dubbed “From Russia With Love,” while Conte accepted the aid in order to secure a good personal relationship with Moscow.

    Russia’s Ambassador to Italy Sergei Razov dismissed La Stampa’s report as “perverse.”

    “Such assertions are the product of a perverse mind. A selfless desire to help a friendly people in trouble is seen as insidious,” Razov told Russia’s state-run RIA Novosti news agency.

    With more than 7,500 victims and 74,000 overall cases, Italy has recorded more coronavirus-related deaths than any other country.


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    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:01 pm

    PhSt wrote:NATO propaganda media is working hard to discredit Russia's help to Italy by citing statement from an "Unnamed" source Rolling Eyes



    80% of Russia’s Coronavirus Aid to Italy ‘Useless’ – La Stampa

    Around 80% of the coronavirus supplies that Russia has sent to Italy are “useless,” the country’s La Stampa daily reported Wednesday, citing high-level political sources.

    Russia sent 600 ventilators and 100 military virologists and epidemiologists to Italy following talks between President Vladimir Putin and Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte last Saturday. Footage of Russian military trucks en route from Rome to the coronavirus epicenter of Bergamo circulated online this week.

    “Eighty percent of Russian supplies are totally useless or of little use to Italy. In short, this is little more than a pretext,” an unnamed source told La Stampa.

    The source said the Russian supplies consist of disinfection equipment, a field laboratory for sterilization and chemical prevention, and other similar tools.

    La Stampa’s sources claimed that Putin is pursuing geopolitical and diplomatic opportunities with the aid package dubbed “From Russia With Love,” while Conte accepted the aid in order to secure a good personal relationship with Moscow.

    Russia’s Ambassador to Italy Sergei Razov dismissed La Stampa’s report as “perverse.”

    “Such assertions are the product of a perverse mind. A selfless desire to help a friendly people in trouble is seen as insidious,” Razov told Russia’s state-run RIA Novosti news agency.

    With more than 7,500 victims and 74,000 overall cases, Italy has recorded more coronavirus-related deaths than any other country.



    NATzO has nothing in its arsenal other than lies. Even its nuclear missiles are worthless.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:22 pm

    Yeah, a colleague just forwarded me the idiotic article from the newspaper la stampa (only good as toilet paper nowadays).

    I had to explain him that most of the personnel were military doctors and nurses, and also the rest of the personnel were not soldiers, but from the Radiation, Chemical and Biological Defense Forces (RHBZ)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_NBC_Protection_Troop

    Whose tasks include

    The main tasks of the NBCP Troops include:

    identification and assessment of radiological, chemical and biological environment, scales and effects of damages of objects hazardous radiatively, chemically and biologically;

    protection of formations and units against the nuclear effects of mass destruction weapons and radiological, chemical and biological contamination;

    reducing the visibility of troops and facilities;

    disaster (damage) recovery in objects hazardous radiatively, chemically and biologically;

    Anyway, quite a bit of medical equipment was also delivered, including 600 ventilators (but this is just am example).

    All the rest of the equipment snd personnel is also needed for the disinfection of infrastructure and to limit the spread of the virus. However the current italian prime minister (conte) is just a useless lawyer without any understanding of industry, military, or healthcare sectors, whose only competency for is job was being a good friend of the sons of the current (mattarella) and former (napolitano) italian presidents.

    As an example of his lack of competency i have a friend that work near Milan in a small firm that the last decree did not close, since they produce medical equipment.
    They did not close, but the prime minister's decree closed their suppliers, and now they cannot do their job.

    Conte and his consultants do not have even the minimum understanding to know that in industry there is a supply chain (with many firm producing components and or subsystems for other companies) that if interrupted will prevent the products to be produced and delivered.

    Probably they did not teach it in his law school or in his parties with the rich and influential elites....
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    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:35 pm

    The 80% figure is the typical schizophrenic BS rampant in NATzO anti-Russian propaganda. Russia is supposedly trying to use
    Italy as a propaganda coup, but then sends 80% non functional equipment....why? To embarrass itself? To defeat its own
    propaganda? Only NATzO retards could contrive such inane propaganda.

    Also, note how Chinese equipment is never attacked in the NATzO fake stream media. I wonder why. And if it is so great, then
    Russia could just re-ship Chinese products.

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    Post  Hole on Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:59 pm

    China is mostly sending protective gear, face masks. Not much to discredit.

    In the meantime the german state media is "suggesting" that the chinese numbers must be fake because Amiland got more cases now then China which has a much larger population. These guys are indoctrinated that Amiland is the greatest most best country ever so if they are incapable of dealing with the virus others can´t be better. Mad
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    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:15 pm

    Hole wrote:China is mostly sending protective gear, face masks. Not much to discredit.

    In the meantime the german state media is "suggesting" that the chinese numbers must be fake because Amiland got more cases now then China which has a much larger population. These guys are indoctrinated that Amiland is the greatest most best country ever so if they are incapable of dealing with the virus others can´t be better. Mad

    MSM and government orifice information consumers must be retarded. Comparisons by size mean precisely fuck all. Control over movement including quarantine
    are what make all the difference. China instituted Draconian controls quickly (by early January) and managed to stop the spread. BTW, China is still in lock-down mode.
    The USA did nothing to control movement of vectors until a couple of weeks ago. So, no shit Sherlock.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:06 pm

    Here a better and more impartial article about the russian help to Italy.

    You can read it using an online translator.

    https://it.insideover.com/guerra/il-virus-gli-aiuti-russi-ed-il-nervo-scoperto-dellitalia.html

    It is described what kind of equipment has Russia delivered and why.
    Among the rest it mentions that having the need to accept this help shows the weakness of the healthcare systems in many western countries.

    It is clear that Russia and China's help is not totally uninterested, but it is also to try and change its official foreign policy and at least Russia's perception in the mind of italian citizens.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:45 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Here a better and more impartial article about the russian help to Italy.

    You can read it using an online translator.

    https://it.insideover.com/guerra/il-virus-gli-aiuti-russi-ed-il-nervo-scoperto-dellitalia.html

    It is described what kind of equipment has Russia delivered and why.
    Among the rest it mentions that having the need to accept this help shows the weakness of the healthcare systems in many western countries.

    It is clear that Russia and China's help is not totally uninterested,  but it is also to try and change its official foreign policy and at least Russia's perception in the mind of italian citizens.

    As was noted on this board already, Russia sent over its bio-defense units over to Italy to help itself and not just Italy. All the "journalists"
    who are preoccupied with "Russia milking propaganda points" are in fact engaged in second rate propaganda themselves.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:22 am

    Russia sending medical personnel to Italy is like Russia sending military personnel to Syria... in Italy it makes sense for them to learn as much as they can about the disease and help deal with it where it exists in abundance and where help is needed... in Syria it just makes sense with Terrorism there before it comes back to Russia and Europe and does damage at home.

    Russia is helping Italy and Syria... and helping itself at the same time.

    The EU and NATO is not sending any help at all to Italy so of course pro EU and pro US and pro NATO organisations have to attack the help coming from Russia because if they don't it makes the EU and NATO and US look bad and selfish... which is exactly what they are.

    Russia is also sending help to Venezuela and Iran and many former Soviet countries that are not hostile to Russia... China is also helping other countries where it can... with production of equipment and assistance using what it has learned... what exactly is the west doing?

    I suspect that rag of an Italian paper is hoping for a backlash from Russia regarding them looking a gift horse in the mouth and rejecting the offer as useless, but I am sure Russia and supporters of Russians know the antiRussian faction are so full of bile and anger and helplessness at the weakness of the west to this situation that they were always going to lash out.

    The fact is that China probably makes most western medical equipment and while China was closed down the western economies were seriously badly hit and continue to have problems... and they have no one to blame but themselves...
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    Post  kvs on Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:54 pm



    The US dismissed the development of titanium hull and molten metal reactor propulsion Soviet submarines of the Lira class
    as misinformation. The same chauvinist condescension we see today has always been there. Western leaders always dismiss
    Russia and Russia as inferior savages.

    Gorbie and Yeltsin committed a grave crime by scrapping these submarines. I refuse to believe the "too expensive" to
    operate claim. The only technical issue they had was lack of port facilities to keep the reactor operational when docked.
    That was a stupid fail on the part of Soviet navy port developers. They should have designed every naval port with
    electrical hookups to for these submarines.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:19 am

    You would have thought in the 1990s it would be a good solution for Ports when electricity suppliers were threatening to cut them off for not paying their electricity bills... plug in a few nuke subs to keep the lights going...
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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:07 am

    GarryB wrote:You would have thought in the 1990s it would be a good solution for Ports when electricity suppliers were threatening to cut them off for not paying their electricity bills... plug in a few nuke subs to keep the lights going...

    It would have been very similar to the Academic Lomanosov floating nuke station touted as some great achievement. Clearly the
    free electricity from these boats could have found a use. Instead it was used a pretext to scrap them. But actually it was
    Gorbie and Yeltsin full bore treason that explains the scrapping. Both of these clowns were selling first the USSR and then Russia
    down the river.

    BTW, the Lira class had a small crew complement. Last time I checked, payroll is the primary cost of most enterprises.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:43 pm



    So Russia's assistance to Italy in the face of Covid-19 has dredged up the worst sort of tin foil hat MSM backlash.
    Supposedly Russians are getting maps with super secret bases and shit thanks to their operation:

    1) The question these Italian MSM drones should ask is why would the Italian side give out such maps?
    The Russian aid workers do not need them to move around the country.

    2) Time to stop eating your own hubris shit and thinking it is ambrosia. Italy is no military prize for Russia
    or anyone else. Nobody gives a f*ck about super secret bases in Italy. They don't exist and even if
    they did, who cares?

    3) Russia can generate 10x10 cm resolution maps of Italy with its own recon satellite network. It can also
    generate a high resolution EM emission map of Italy that can tag those super secret non-existent bases.

    God what retards anti-Russian westerners are.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:38 am

    Yeah, what is happening here is that the evil doers are projecting on their perceived enemies... this is not about what Russia is doing... it is about what the US has been doing to its own allies since WWII...

    They are bad so they do bad things, we are good so we don't do bad things... till you catch us doing it and then we say they do it too and to not do it would put us at a disadvantage... I mean being rich and powerful is not enough....
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    Post  andalusia on Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:15 pm

    Hey Garry B why did you take down this article I posted earlier in the Russian enemy countries section? I want to know is there any truth to this article:https://nationalinterest.org/blog/why-russias-new-stealth-submarines-have-big-problem-22941

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