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    Post  kvs on Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:57 pm



    The "stealth" covering of the Virginia class submarines is failing badly.

    But according to the NATzO MSM and assorted fanbois, western designs are perfect from inception and such thing are not
    supposed to happen. When Russia experiences tuning related delays of new tech it is trotted out as total failure. But
    when yanqui contractor fraud produces disasters, that's just Putin trolls spreading Kremlin propaganda.

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    Post  Aristide on Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:21 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Cuban Americans are upset with Bernie Sander's comments about Fidel Castro's literacy program for poor illiterate Cubans in the early 60s. He did put alot of people in concentration camps and that should not be overlooked.

    Yeah, I really don't think americans have a foot to stand on regarding concentration camps in Cuba... WTF do you think they are doing in Guantanimo... illegally kidnapping people at random around the entire planet... rendition is a nice word for kidnapping and torture which the CIA has been doing in central and south america for a century... putting people in a concentration camp is not nice, but what the CIA did to people who did not cooperate (communism had nothing to do with it) generally got brutally murdered as an example.... you know... like the nazis did in occupied europe during WWII.

    Putting his political opponents in prison is exactly what the US does right now... ask Manning or Assange or Snowden... if they were revealing evidence of war crimes by China or Russia they would be heroes with medals, but the evidence they revealed was American war crimes, which are of course ignored amongst the chants to execute these people whose crime was revealing serious crimes without the ruling elite in the US.

    Who gives a fuck what Cuban Americans think?

    Would Cuba have been better if the White Cubans in Florida remained or would it be a lapdog for the US and pretty similar to Venezuela as being poor an unstable politically?

    Would Cuba have been better off when Castro asked for US assistance in getting rid of the US based Mob that owned everything in Cuba and was running the place while the native majority delivered drinks to western tourists. The Mob had the money to buy any casino they wanted, and the muscle to take those that were not for sale... how long would honest hard working Cubas remain silent?

    The Bay of Pigs invasion failed because the Cuban people supported Castro, just like the Venezuelan people support Maduro, they are not perfect but at least they try and make life better for the poor majority... their western backed opposition don't give a fuck about their people... part of the plan to get Guano into power in Venezuela involved releasing prisoners and arming them to create chaos... what sort of super villain would think that plan was OK?  That is right... America.

    Dude get real. France is most protectionist nation on this planet. We dont want chinese crap and we dont want american crap.

    It doesn't make any difference... when Airbus completes a proposal for a country in the third world even if your encryption is perfect and safe, when they start distributing it around their various departments the US will get to read it and look at your offer and undercut you with a superior offer from Boeing...

    They will also listen to other chatter in that country and get some dirt on all the people in a position to decide on contracts and blackmail them into signing with an American company...

    Also EU acts kinda not so much in line. If UsA is so allpowerful i wonder why we take billions of € from them, tax them in extreme ways.

    Really? France has only recently started demanding large US companys pay tax in France... we will see how successful they will be.

    Dont get me wrong Gary but you have serious problems.

    You are right, I do... there is this young french guy and another russian guy I talk to on the internet who need a bit of world experience... you can't get that from a chat... it is OK though... I am not perfect either... but you do what you can.


    And we read their offers. That said, their encryption against Airbus seem to not be very sucessful, simce Airbus went from 0% marketshare to now 55% market share within last 40 years.

    France has only recently taxed US firms? The 18 billion apple fine we got 2017 propably escaped your attention? How about the 9 billion from Microsoft we took in 2009? Or the 16 billion from google in 2018? Commissioner Vestager is quite harsh. Its said apple ceo cook had a nervous breakdown in her office.

    You have no world experience Gary. You never left Kiwi Land. You dont know whats going on in the world and you hold some bizarre grudges.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:12 am

    Blah blah blah, typical european with a god complex... of course france actually controls the US... believe what you want, you clearly are not interested in the truth.
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    Post  Aristide on Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:26 am

    GarryB wrote:Blah blah blah, typical european with a god complex... of course france actually controls the US... believe what you want, you clearly are not interested in the truth.

    The things i said are facts. Its you who needs to bring those facts into synchronisation with your worldview

    https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/18/apple-has-finished-paying-15-billion-european-fine/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALf2IvzOFOmNuIHZGHv0cnw3Clfuho8hjHL_VnXvfWfDt6t6Y4hl1FAGj470baMG97aD3RK1OXryw7YSXUythwy6derO_hG9hv-NzWHNx6i2udjEUIrLtGAtrmjH055GDbIt162DZWdCv3ousNp1lGWpHrWwmhBRUjg-Fswnl5tz

    Apple has finished paying $15 billion European fine

    Just one of my points.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:26 am

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/countries-best-and-worst-prepared-epidemic

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    More inane graphics.   At the present time Russia has basically zero cases whereas the USA has 24:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/fda-announces-plan-speed-coronavirus-testing-south-korea-reports-huge-jump-new-cases

    Russia is much closer to China than the USA.   As for any claim about the ability to produce vaccines, this graphic is full bore BS.
    Russia has world class vaccine discovery and generation capability.   You can bet your last penny Russia is working on vaccines for
    this corona virus strain collection.   It will not spend its time bleating about it, however.

    Epidemic control requires border control. The UK, which is ranked at the top in the above absurdity, is not even testing suspicious cases
    incoming from around the world. Only retards would rank countries which cannot impose controls on the movement of infected individuals
    as being "best prepared". They are only best prepared to have lots of cases.

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    Post  Aristide on Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:04 am

    kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/health/countries-best-and-worst-prepared-epidemic

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    More inane graphics.   At the present time Russia has basically zero cases whereas the USA has 24:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/fda-announces-plan-speed-coronavirus-testing-south-korea-reports-huge-jump-new-cases

    Russia is much closer to China than the USA.   As for any claim about the ability to produce vaccines, this graphic is full bore BS.
    Russia has world class vaccine discovery and generation capability.   You can bet your last penny Russia is working on vaccines for
    this corona virus strain collection.   It will not spend its time bleating about it, however.

    Epidemic control requires border control.   The UK, which is ranked at the top in the above absurdity, is not even testing suspicious cases
    incoming from around the world.   Only retards would rank countries which cannot impose controls on the movement of infected individuals
    as being "best prepared".   They are only best prepared to have lots of cases.



    When you dont check, you have no cases. Magic.

    That said, Russia has not a single pharma corporation. World leading companies are all American, French, Swiss, German and British.

    Russia has not the ability and no rescources to mass produce vaccines. Russia imports over 90% of its medical equipment.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:19 am

    The things i said are facts. Its you who needs to bring those facts into synchronisation with your worldview

    Hahahaha... your claim to control and superiority is that you finally fined Apple for not paying proper taxes in your country... if you were in control and had superiority they would never have been fined... they would have payed their taxes like any ordinary company.

    Looking forward to the US backlash against France...
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    Post  Aristide on Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:42 am

    GarryB wrote:
    The things i said are facts. Its you who needs to bring those facts into synchronisation with your worldview

    Hahahaha... your claim to control and superiority is that you finally fined Apple for not paying proper taxes in your country... if you were in control and had superiority they would never have been fined... they would have payed their taxes like any ordinary company.

    Looking forward to the US backlash against France...

    Apple pays no taxes in Russia as well. We fined them 13 billion.

    What did russia do so far?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:51 am

    What did russia do so far?

    So what you are saying is that Russia is controlled by the US?
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    Post  Aristide on Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:16 am

    GarryB wrote:
    What did russia do so far?

    So what you are saying is that Russia is controlled by the US?

    No, i say russia is controlled by greedy oligarchs or that greedy oligarchs have way too much influence.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:54 am

    No, i say russia is controlled by greedy oligarchs or that greedy oligarchs have way too much influence.

    When you say oligarchs you mean rich people because all rich people are the same... they get really rich because they are greedy... no amount of money is enough... and once you have money you have power and you use that power to make more money... and it happens in every country.... the west worse than anywhere else... because they have seen the Cosby show and they know right from wrong...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:57 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    No, i say russia is controlled by greedy oligarchs or that greedy oligarchs have way too much influence.

    When you say oligarchs you mean rich people because all rich people are the same... they get really rich because they are greedy... no amount of money is enough... and once you have money you have power and you use that power to make more money... and it happens in every country.... the west worse than anywhere else... because they have seen the Cosby show and they know right from wrong...
    The US govt. gave $800 billion of free money to it's richest bankers back 2009.....who's the Oligarchical Plutocracy now? America has trasformed in to the empire of projection; they accuse everyone else of what they do on the regular. Take chemical weapons, they accuse Assad of using it, but had no qualms of using Agent Orange/Purple/White with their scorched Earth policy in Vietnam. They didn't call it chemical weapons, they called it 'pesticide'... Mad Rolling Eyes
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    Post  kvs on Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:41 pm



    Western blood libel against Russia over the last 20+ years. Now that time has passed, all the assertions and
    "analysis" in the NATzO fake stream media about Chechnya and basically everything else shows itself clearly
    for the excrement that it always was. It is actually funny on some level, all the predictions of gloom and doom
    which never panned out since they were never tied to any reality pertaining to Russia in the first place.

    Another thing that is clear, is the rabid anti-Russian psychosis of the NATzO west. Every single tragedy is
    turned into a anti-Russian propaganda opportunity loaded with hate speech and defamation.

    You will find nothing symmetric in the Russian media coverage of the NATzO west. In fact, the Russian
    MSM of all falvours is way too nice to the rabid haters in the west.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:48 am

    The US govt. gave $800 billion of free money to it's richest bankers back 2009.....who's the Oligarchical Plutocracy now? America has trasformed in to the empire of projection; they accuse everyone else of what they do on the regular. Take chemical weapons, they accuse Assad of using it, but had no qualms of using Agent Orange/Purple/White with their scorched Earth policy in Vietnam. They didn't call it chemical weapons, they called it 'pesticide'.

    Worse than that... there was a time when there was a law that stated if you give someone a loan of money when you know they are in no position to pay it back then they don't have to pay it back. That is why the banks want every detail about you before they would give you a loan so they could say you can afford to pay it back so you have to. That law disappeared, so offering loans especially for houses made a lot of sense for banks... they make money on interest rates that THEY SET... there is no negotiation or regulation... they set the interest rates, but with house prices increasing every year they thought it was safe because if the owner loses his job or gets a divorce and can't afford to pay off the loan the bank can seize the house and when they sell it they will likely get their money back with interest included.

    The problem was when the house market collapsed and that 1 million dollar loan on your house that is now worth half that if you could sell it means you are paying a loan of 1 million on a house that is worth maybe $400,000... but you can't sell the house because if you do you will still owe $600,000 and now you would be homeless... the bank can seize the house and throw the family on to the street but it wont get its money back either.

    And for this corruption and stupidity the Government rewarded those greedy banks with a bailout of $750 billion... the house owners on the street, but the Bank CEOs get their million dollar bonuses and they keep their jobs and no bankers go to jail... rich getting richer...

    BTW Russia has destroyed its chem and bio weapons AFAIK... the US hopes to get their done by 2023 or something...
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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:15 am

    The US is not really getting rid of its chemical and even a large part of its nuclear weapons stocks. It supposedly tries to fulfill the
    obligations of the treaties but finds the all-cover excuse that the private contractors who try to launch the disposal plants cannot
    do their jobs and need more time and money. In the case of nuclear warheads they at least used some of Russia's fuel reprocessing
    capacity to destroy warheads. But they kept a huge number of them in storage. Carter gave the US the fig leaf by banning
    reprocessing. In the case of chemical weapons, I see them not destroying all even after 2030.

    This indicates that they are hedging their bets and are planning on using nuclear and chemical weapons at some stage. The
    US is all about deception as with its gross violation of all of the treaties it signed with the aboriginals. It thinks it can foist
    this snake cunning on the rest of the world.

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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:45 pm

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    Another sample of the hilarious BS that poses for western "analysis". How the f*ck is Mongolia freer than the surrounding
    countries? Even though it was not part of the USSR, it has a nearly identical political culture that makes very much a
    post-Soviet state.

    Note how Ukraine has been promoted to be more free than Russia. That is after a coup which removed the legitimately
    elected government (as proved by independent polling) and established a Bandera-worshipping regime that bans parties
    of the "wrong" flavour. Freedom House can shove its fantasy analysis up its rotten ass.

    The US should be coloured purple in this graphic since it is a rotten two party state where we see how there is collusion
    between the Democrat Party, most of the MSM, and state power structures (FBI, CIA, judiciary).

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    Post  franco on Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:04 pm

    85% funded by the US government. Believe Uncle George Soros has his fingers in this org also. Enough said...
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:10 pm

    kvs wrote:Western propaganda #2 - Page 14 12541

    Another sample of the hilarious BS that poses for western "analysis".   How the f*ck is Mongolia freer than the surrounding
    countries?   Even though it was not part of the USSR, it has a nearly identical political culture that makes very much a
    post-Soviet state.    

    Note how Ukraine has been promoted to be more free than Russia.   That is after a coup which removed the legitimately
    elected government (as proved by independent polling) and established a Bandera-worshipping regime that bans parties
    of the "wrong" flavour.    Freedom House can shove its fantasy analysis up its rotten ass.

    The US should be coloured purple in this graphic since it is a rotten two party state where we see how there is collusion
    between the Democrat Party, most of the MSM, and state power structures (FBI, CIA, judiciary).


    Freedom to do what ?

    Uneducated people by force of deception, impression, money and populism attain governance and than seek help in those who can make things happen

    and have its only goals in minds uneducated mind can not distinguish or succumb uneducated mind to its will and in doing so placing all nation on tight leash.

    And who can have the power to decide what is right and what is wrong on behalf of all nations and nations that are not its native ones?

    So just as same Russia or China could and should publish a map of the World where US liberty rating would be marked as black affraid

    Another map should be published the one which states the state of the most efficient level of thinking in governing the state towards the most ridiculed.

    Liberal should easily be exposed as inefficient and greedy and corrupt and the one which has no respect toward any other organizational matrix which

    makes them justify imposing state of war on weaker nations in order to succumb and enslave and exploit making basically their tolerance of peaceful co-egsistence with

    the ones who think in any other way null.

    Also Russia/China should publish another map the one showing in a orderly manner on top the one country which makes decisions for itself and for others and others in a form of

    a country slave. Russia/China should also establish anti-slave society which would in a declarative way fight for the freedom of the countries throughout the World freedom to decide

    their own fate.
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:17 am

    Aristide wrote:That said, Russia has not a single pharma corporation. World leading companies are all American, French, Swiss, German and British.

    Russia has not the ability and no rescources to mass produce vaccines. Russia imports over 90% of its medical equipment.

    From Wiki:

    The pharmaceutical industry in Russia had a turnover of $16.5 billion in 2016, which was equal to 1.3 % of GDP and 19.9% of health spending

    lol
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:56 am

    Aristide wrote:...Russia has not the ability and no rescources to mass produce vaccines. Russia imports over 90% of its medical equipment.

    They export (and donate) both vaccines and medical equipment

    What are you guys even smoking in that immigrant shelter?


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:49 am

    Razz Embarassed

    The DOJ has dropped charges brought by Mueller against the so-called Russian "troll farms."

    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1239919062349684742
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:54 am

    Freedom to do what ?

    If you find evidence of the government committing war crimes or violating human rights at a fundamental level like Manning, like Snowden, like Assange, like the, to date four members of the OPCW who have spoken out, and other whistle blowers find freedom is the inside of a prison cell or exile and official public ridicule... except of course if the dirt is regarding the Russians, Iranians, or Chinese... and then you get on the cover of Life magazine and a peace prize and international notoriety for the toxic way those oppressive governments treat you...
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    Post  PhSt on Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:51 am


    NATO Propaganda apparatus is on the offensive, now Russia is being framed as trying to stir Panic and Fear through disinformation Rolling Eyes



    Russia using coronavirus fears to spread misinformation in Western countries


    Meanwhile, NATO is doing exactly what they are accusing Russia



    Russia's coronavirus count under scrutiny as Putin government denies hiding cases


    So Russia's low Covid case is being "SCRUTINIZED" by CBC, Who the FCK do those imbeciles think they are? Canada's Covid cases are far bigger, so why dont they SCRUTINIZE if these Canadian figures are accurate and find out if the actual numbers are not being distorted by the government? Why do they have to report cases from the other side of the world instead of focusing in their neighbourhood? CBC needs to FCK OFF. I wish their entire crew gets the covid angry
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    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:59 am

    PhSt wrote:
    NATO Propaganda apparatus is on the offensive, now Russia is being framed as trying to stir Panic and Fear through disinformation Rolling Eyes



    Russia using coronavirus fears to spread misinformation in Western countries


    Meanwhile, NATO is doing exactly what they are accusing Russia



    Russia's coronavirus count under scrutiny as Putin government denies hiding cases


    So Russia's low Covid case is being "SCRUTINIZED" by CBC, Who the FCK do those imbeciles think they are? Canada's Covid cases are far bigger, so why dont they SCRUTINIZE if these Canadian figures are accurate and find out if the actual numbers are not being distorted by the government? Why do they have to report cases from the other side of the world instead of focusing in their neighbourhood? CBC needs to FCK OFF. I wish their entire crew gets the covid angry

    The average MSM consumer is a moron. Canada did not impose any border control and quarantine regime until the last week after the US did it.
    Russia is one of the few countries like Singapore and districts like Hong Kong that imposed a hard line control of flow of people from China and
    quarantined Chinese with symptoms using public transit. China officially complained to Russia about this "abuse".

    The reason that Russia got the cases it has is thanks to Italy. Italy, like Canada, was too busy engaged in SJW virtue signalling and is now paying the
    price for it.

    We can also see the low standard of NATzO propaganda. They don't even have an estimate of the number of cases Russia should have. They
    engage in "proof by assertion".
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    Post  Hole on Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:38 am

    Just look at Japan. The rise in cases was embarrassing for the government so they stopped testing people. Shocked

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