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    Post  andalusia on Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:04 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Explain to me what the NBA is doing in being disrespectful and dictate what China should and shouldn't do?

    OK, how about this... some Russian officials start telling the US police to stop shooting black people because black lives do matter... and if they don't stop funding regime change and coloured revolutions around the world that Russia might start funding undesirable groups in the US directly.

    The show ponies in Hong Kong rose up in protest because Hong Kong was introducing extradition laws to China... they already have extradition agreements with the US and you can bet they only go one way... are you understanding this?

    So it is democratic and free for the US to extradite a citizen of Hong Kong to the US... which the US does all the time in political cases like Assange and that Russian pilot, and various people they have accused of hacking, but it is not OK to have a similar agreement with China because China is evil and will abuse and misuse such a law... you know... like America does all the time...

    Yeah, HK protests are completely spontaneous and not funded directly by the US or George Soros...

    BTW you probably get regular updates about these riots in Hong Kong... do you get any coverage from any other riots like France whose yellow jacket riots have gone on for over a year, or the riots in Spain?   ...riots happening everywhere but only time for HK riots... right... that is not biased.

    BTW Twitter has an office in Hong Kong and is only banned on mainland China... but surely your tell the truth reveal the whole picture tell all sides of the story western media already mentioned that...   Twisted Evil

    But the NBA is a private business and are not apart of the US government so the analogy with Russian officials is flawed. I strongly agree with you about US hypocrisy regarding Extradition treaties.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:33 pm



    A Reuters "journalist" illegally entered hospital rooms for Russia forces to attempt to create fake news about Putin's
    "private army". The Russian veterans organization has demanded the "journalist" be prosecuted for the various
    laws she broke and that Reuters have its accreditation suspended. I fully agree. No coddling of information
    terrorists.

    I find it strange that Russian law still treats hospitals like public parks. There should be a basic law on trespass.
    You can actually trespass in public buildings if your actions are malicious. This should be a catch-all law that includes
    protestors standing in doorways and on the sidewalk a few feet from the building.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:21 am

    But the NBA is a private business and are not apart of the US government so the analogy with Russian officials is flawed. I strongly agree with you about US hypocrisy regarding Extradition treaties.

    Wikileaks is a private business... will that protect Julian Assange? Not a part of any government... he was a hero when the secrets being released were about Russia and China and other countries that were not the US... one US official on US TV said that the US has special forces and Black Ops people and they should just kill him.

    Owners of Facebook etc dragged in front of congress to explain policies regarding the last US election.

    The Funny thing is that they are being very American about it... the Coca Cola company will make all sorts of demands regarding how its stock is presented in a shop that is privately owned... whether that shop gives in to that pressure is largely up to that shop.

    How much is China worth to the NBA in terms of income and sales... if very little then they most likely will claim free speach and all that bullshit that doesn't even exist any more. If... however they have long term plans to start selling products in that market with 1.5 billion consumers with spending money looking for American crap to buy then that guy might lose his job.

    People these days lose jobs for less... a racist joke from the 1990s, or an inappropriate image posted or cartoon forwarded... why would he think he can support criminal activity and nothing happen to him?

    Idiot.
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    Post  PhSt on Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:28 am

    Youtube is working hard to SILENCE users who are not in line with America's narratives.

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    This is probably the technique Youtube admins are using that is why RT's subscriber base is lower than the West's propaganda mouthpiece channels.


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    I am going to repeat this again, and Russia's national security council needs to hear this. Create Alternatives to American soft power institutions like Youtube, Facebook, Google etc and make significant efforts to PROMOTE its use not just in Russia but across the world to pose a challenge to American cultural influence.

    People here might say, but Russia already have Yandex (vs Google), VK (vs Facebook), but how much is its share in the global social media market? it is still dwarfed by both Google and Facebook, so what needs to happen? Russia needs to promote and expand these companies to rival its American counterparts with the aim of taking over America's global customer base.

    I have a friend in Russia, I have been chatting with her for a couple of years now, She is a smart and patriotic citizen of Russia. But recently, when I last talked to her, she gave me her INSTAGRAM account. The key point here is INSTAGRAM, another American soft power tool that aims to influence (though subliminal means) its global audience to align their views and beliefs with American narratives. Again, Russia needs to challenge Instagram with its own domestic alternative and with a similar aim of propagating their own (Russia's) narratives. This step is the only way to erode American covert influence operations and increase positive public perception of Russia in around the world.


    Meanwhile: BBC is busy making Propaganda BULLSHlT in an effort to create animosity between Russia and China.


    Why Chinese farmers have crossed border into Russia's Far East

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50185006
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    Post  kvs on Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:09 am

    The British can try and play their centuries long games of divide and conquer, but they will fail. Russia and China are just too cultured
    and mature to be led around by the nose by some two bit country with delusions of grandeur. Some arrogance is actually healthy
    since it counteracts credulity. The UK has nothing to offer either China or Russia to get them to follow it around like some puppy.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:00 am

    First of all, I don't bother with crap like instagram or facebook or those other american based services, but if I did... any alternative would have to be in English for me to consider it.

    The Russian equivalent to youtube I have tried but all the videos and talk is in Russian so I go back to Youtube.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:56 pm



    Schizophrenic drivel from western media about Ukraine winning against Russia in the Nord Stream II "battle".
    First they compare the supposed 3% dependence of Ukraine's GDP on oil and gas transit to Russia's 40% federal
    and 20% total (real numbers are 36% and 17% as of 2017, but every year the fraction of oil and gas in Russia's
    GDP has been shrinking, so the real number is approaching 15%). In other words, Ukraine supposedly could
    care less about NS II. Since Gazprom now has to scramble to make a deal with Banderastan (formerly known
    as Ukraine) due to the various delaying tactics by EU members and Washington, supposedly the Kiev regime wins.

    But it is the western media itself that routinely bleats about "Russia trying to cause economic damage to Ukraine"
    with NS II. So which is it? Is Banderastan sensitive to the loss of oil and gas transit fees or is it not? You can't
    have it both ways.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:38 pm

    Russia doesn't have to scramble to get a new deal with the Ukraine.

    If there is no deal in place when the existing one expires then the gas stops.

    If europe can't get enough gas via existing pipelines then that is their fault for blocking Russian efforts to create new pipes.

    Russia has LNG if they want to buy that or they can buy from the US... both of which will be both rather more expensive and take time because it is not like you have it on tap and can just turn a switch and it flows through existing pipes.

    If they want their gas through Ukrainian pipes then they need to pay extra for it because those pipes are old and are not maintained properly and gas often gets stolen when gas goes that way.

    Russia tried to create alternatives but europe impeded those solutions so the cost is increased energy prices...
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    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:53 pm



    NATO is trying to set up Russian language media sources in the Baltic states to "counter Russian propaganda".   They talk
    about engaging the Russian minority in the Baltics for constructive participation in the political process.

    Stand back and marvel at this Orwellian BS.   It is the regimes of those Baltic states that has imposed apartheid on the
    Russian minorities, deprived them of citizenship rights and language rights.    They have been subjected to work discrimination
    and basically ethnic cleansing.   But not all of them have been driven out and this is particularly painful for Latvia where
    they account for a substantial part of the economy.   Now these Baltic f*cks and their NATO overlords have the gall to
    claim to want the Russian minorities to "participate".   Get f*cked.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:49 pm



    Americans are crying that the S-400 is out-competing their Patriot trash. They screech that Russia is "forcing" the S-400 on
    other countries. In fact, big bad Russia by selling the S-400 is preventing the USA from existing as as normal country, that
    is, preventing from doing whatever the f*ck it pleases. Really? Go and hump a log, retards.

    So we see how much Americans really believe in the free market and competition.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:40 am

    They hate free market competition, and most of the bribes by big business is to change laws to suit their companies and penalise their economic rivals.

    Money does not go in to R&D... it goes into politicians pockets... all the new US uber weapons don't seem to work properly.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:20 am

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mapping-chinas-global-debt-serfdom-ification

    Oh my, China is lending other countries money. The horror.

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    Funny, I don't recall the concern for the NATO west acting as the loan shark to the developing world. Westerners are
    in no position to moralize about Chinese loans. As it stands now, they are a better option for the developing world
    and this explains why the western loan sharks are worried.



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    Post  Hole on Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:22 am

    Funny. As far as I know Amiland ows China arount 2 Trill. Maybe even more when you include company and consumer debt. But... no data available! Rolling Eyes
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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:12 pm

    Hole wrote:Funny. As far as I know Amiland ows China arount 2 Trill. Maybe even more when you include company and consumer debt. But... no data available! Rolling Eyes

    The map is a piece of propaganda that tries to make it look like China is a neo-colonial power. Actual colonial power media sources
    bitching about Chinese loans to the developing world...thick and rich hypocrisy.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:22 pm

    As of May of this year, US debt to China is 1.11T dollars. 27% of its total Bond holdings.
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    Post  Hole on Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:02 pm

    That makes it much better. Just 1,1 Trill. Very Happy
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:24 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Hole wrote:Funny. As far as I know Amiland ows China arount 2 Trill. Maybe even more when you include company and consumer debt. But... no data available! Rolling Eyes

    The map is a piece of propaganda that tries to make it look like China is a neo-colonial power.   Actual colonial power media sources
    bitching about Chinese loans to the developing world...thick and rich hypocrisy.


    And they say nothing about the different principles governing while lending from the West vs East Smile

    It seems like pure eruption of envy for the lost markets East ow has is and West would like to have.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:12 am

    the whole purpose of the IMF is to give countries loans they can't afford to pay back and create a debt spiral that puts them in your pocket so you can demand the privatisation of all assets and resources in that country that rich western multinationals go in and buy up cheaply and then abuse and asset strip to make a quick buck...
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    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:49 pm

    GarryB wrote:the whole purpose of the IMF is to give countries loans they can't afford to pay back and create a debt spiral that puts them in your pocket so you can demand the privatisation of all assets and resources in that country that rich western multinationals go in and buy up cheaply and then abuse and asset strip to make a quick buck...

    But the global progression is for this racket to attenuate. More and more 3rd world countries are developing to the level where they
    are no longer helpless victims. This is one of the prime reasons for the current crisis in the west. There is a crisis and its roots
    are economics but the MSM bubble non-reality makes this invisible.

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    Post  andalusia on Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:29 pm

    Yesterday was Veterans Day here in the US and with all the propaganda about US military fighting for freedom and I was thinking I think the reason why it is so hard and always falls on deaf ears to point out wrongful US actions in other countries is because the US military is held up to such high religious esteem especially by conservatives; any such criticism is considered unpatriotic and it is connected to the troops. Don't get me wrong; I am not against the idea of a country having a military but this propaganda that the US military is always fighting for our freedom is deeply ingrained in Americans which is a lie. I think it is this worldview that prevents an honest assessment of corrupt American military as well as financial escapades abroad (think IMF and World Bank). I think it is connected to the political process being corrupted by corporate money (both political parties) and our winner take all system since the birth of the country(no proportional representation).

    https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2014/01/29/us-troops-do-not-fight-to-keep-us-free/

    https://www.fff.org/2014/05/27/american-soldiers-did-not-die-defending-our-freedom/
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    Post  andalusia on Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:35 pm

    kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mapping-chinas-global-debt-serfdom-ification

    Oh my, China is lending other countries money.  The horror.  

    Western propaganda #2 - Page 8 Chartoftheday_19642_external_loan_debt_to_china_by_country_n

    Funny, I don't recall the concern for the NATO west acting as the loan shark to the developing world.   Westerners are
    in no position to moralize about Chinese loans.   As it stands now, they are a better option for the developing world
    and this explains why the western loan sharks are worried.





    Kvs have to disagree


    I agree that at least China is doing something by helping to develop their economies as compared to the West but China is simply using the same methods the US has been using for years, but they're not supplementing the program with military action.  That's much smarter, because now you own the country that you've helped without killing 25% of the population, which in the case of the US who does kill them and sets them back much farther, owns a country full of people that will hate the US for generations.

    China is indebting in specific geostrategic locations, whether its for ports in Kenya, or rare earth metals like Tantalum in the Congo. Zambia will officially be China's first colony in Africa. The dumb rotten, corrupt and short-sighted Zambians took all the Chinese bribes on offer, thinking a day of reckoning will never arrive.

    owing money to corrupt Chinese government is as bad as owing to the nefarious brit.. or the scumbag amercan governments...not to mention the cockroaches at the IMF and World Bank

    The US started their strategy of economic domination with the same or similar narrative and process (mutual benefit) that the Chinese use today.  However, whether part of the plan or not...power will corrupt, and the noose of domination and control will tighten around the neck of those countries that become dependent.  With dependency comes control and when that control is challenged....unleash the dogs of war.

    I don't understand why all countries in the world simply don't issue their currencies interest free? It is the best solution.  The US before the American Revolution issued Colonial Script and during during the Civil War they issued the interest free Greenback. A country can finance its infrastructure and other needs without borrowing from the IMF, World Bank or even China.  The colonial US, Lincoln's America and Nazi Germany are good examples of this.

    To see the effect of debt-free currency, We can use examples in history to illustrate the point.

         

       1. * The Saracen Empire forbade interest on money 1,000 years ago, and its wealth outshone Saxon Europe.

       2. * Mandarin China issued its own money, interest and debt-free. Historians and collectors of art today consider those centuries to China's greatest time of wealth, culture and peace.

       3. * The American Colonies issued Colonial Script, and Ben Franklin explained to the English that this was the key to the prosperity Colonies.

       4. * Abraham Lincoln did it in 1863 to finance and win the Civil War.

       5. * Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935 and on, accounting for its startling rise from the depression to a World power in 5 years.

    Germany financed its entire government and war operation from 1935 to 1945 without gold and without debt, and it took nearly the whole Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German power
    over Europe.

    Was this the real cause of World War II?

    Did the International Bankers have to destroy the
    Government of Germany because it issued debt and interest free money just like Lincoln did?

    https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Colonial_Script

    https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/case-greenback-pound

    https://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-real-cause-for-american-revolution.html

    https://mordant-truth.weebly.com/hilter-monetary-system-real-cause-of-ww2.html
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    Post  Hole on Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:27 pm

    Germany attacked other countries to steal their money. All occupied countries had to double their peacetime GDP with bonds and debt. Their finances and economies were controlled by Germany.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:13 am



    Western governments and media are crapping their pants screeching about Russian aggression when Russia is defending its
    rights in the Arctic Ocean.

    Russia has the biggest Arctic Ocean coastline and that includes comparison with Canada. Neither the US nor Europe have any
    special privileges in the Arctic. And as usual they engage in foaming at the mouth schizophrenia. On the one hand they
    pretend that the North Sea route will be boycotted (since it must pass through Russia's EEZ and territorial waters) but at the
    same time they are engaged in military and diplomatic aggression against Russia in some idiotic attempt to squeeze out.
    Clearly there will be no boycott since shipping costs money and will get more expensive every year as cheap oil disappears.
    So the NATO west is engaged in 1800s gunboat "diplomacy" against the military superpower that is Russia. That's right,
    Russia is a rapidly advancing military superpower and currently NATO can to precisely f*ck all about Russia in the Arctic.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:03 am

    Yesterday was Veterans Day here in the US and with all the propaganda about US military fighting for freedom and I was thinking I think the reason why it is so hard and always falls on deaf ears to point out wrongful US actions in other countries is because the US military is held up to such high religious esteem especially by conservatives;

    You can hardly blame the Veterans for doing as they were ordered. In fact it is ironic that the morality that reinforces the fact that America is a force for good probably permeates in the US military and intel services too... so you get people like Manning and Snowden on the inside seeing what total bastards the US government and Pentagon are making the US military act like and they respond by rebelling.

    During the Russian civil war it is often ignored in the west but many western countries sent in troops to help the whites and they did some terrible things to those who supported the reds. The Americans were the exception because the leader and commander of that force took the rules on neutrality seriously and to heart and did not interfere and only did what he was ordered to do, which was protect American interests (ie American citizens and their property or companies).

    It should be made clear that American soldiers are doing what they need to to survive, and are just doing their job, while the fat cats that make billions of dollars out of these wars that are the problem. Dick Cheney left politics and got a job at Haliburton... a construction company that has made tens of billions of dollars in reconstruction in places America bombed while Cheney was in office... he probably earned several million dollars a year for year after year for breaking those countries and having ties and power within the pentagon to get contracts to build US bases in Iraq and Afghanistan etc etc. SeigSolovov will risk getting shot or blown up, but his pay will not likely reach a fraction of what the fat cats are making in these conflicts... why would be blame him for being in Syria... he is just a drone and gets no say at all where he lives and works.

    owing money to corrupt Chinese government is as bad as owing to the nefarious brit.. or the scumbag amercan governments...not to mention the cockroaches at the IMF and World Bank

    First of all you make money on loans, so everyone will do that. Second everyone bribes... if you want to play the game you at least have to match the bribes from other parties or you don't get a seat at the negotiating table. The Chinese have a tradition that when you visit you bring a small gift... that custom could be used and extended any way they like.

    The most critical difference however is that the west... and I mean Europe and the US... demand change in laws when they do business with a country.

    They force the country to liberalise their laws and become more like them... but they are ruled by western and international big business, so by changing their laws to match western laws they are opening themselves up to big companies coming in and taking over everything.

    Look at Bolivia... a coup... not because the leader is a commie... he has been doing what he has been doing for 14 years... why bother now?

    Well perhaps a press release a few months ago that Bolivia is going to stop exporting raw lithium to big foreign companies to process and turn into batteries and other high tech stuff... they are going to build factories in Bolivia and make these batteries themselves... and clearly those foreign companies objected and probably enlisted the support of the CIA and instigated a coup... they threatened the leader and his family with murder... so they meant business... and while he had the support of the people, he didn't have the support of the military... which is how the CIA works... nice quick military coup... kill a few thousand people and it is all over... no referendums or voting or bullshit.

    The Chinese do bribe and they probably don't pay the locals much more than the western countries pay, what they don't do is demand that country open up to being asset stripped by big multinational companies, and create rules based on western european morality... which is going down hill as we speak anyway.

    There is a doctor who claims paedophiles have it hard wired into their brains so they are victims and should not be abused or victimised... is that really where we are headed?

    I am sure serial killers will be next... they are victims too perhaps... they can't help it...

    the west has lots its way... and Russia and China and a lot of other countries don't want to follow... especially the me first attitude of the US.
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    Post  andalusia on Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:38 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Yesterday was Veterans Day here in the US and with all the propaganda about US military fighting for freedom and I was thinking I think the reason why it is so hard and always falls on deaf ears to point out wrongful US actions in other countries is because the US military is held up to such high religious esteem especially by conservatives;

    You can hardly blame the Veterans for doing as they were ordered. In fact it is ironic that the morality that reinforces the fact that America is a force for good probably permeates in the US military and intel services too... so you get people like Manning and Snowden on the inside seeing what total bastards the US government and Pentagon are making the US military act like and they respond by rebelling.

    During the Russian civil war it is often ignored in the west but many western countries sent in troops to help the whites and they did some terrible things to those who supported the reds. The Americans were the exception because the leader and commander of that force took the rules on neutrality seriously and to heart and did not interfere and only did what he was ordered to do, which was protect American interests (ie American citizens and their property or companies).

    It should be made clear that American soldiers are doing what they need to to survive, and are just doing their job, while the fat cats that make billions of dollars out of these wars that are the problem. Dick Cheney left politics and got a job at Haliburton... a construction company that has made tens of billions of dollars in reconstruction in places America bombed while Cheney was in office... he probably earned several million dollars a year for year after year for breaking those countries and having ties and power within the pentagon to get contracts to build US bases in Iraq and Afghanistan etc etc. SeigSolovov will risk getting shot or blown up, but his pay will not likely reach a fraction of what the fat cats are making in these conflicts... why would be blame him for being in Syria... he is just a drone and gets no say at all where he lives and works.

    owing money to corrupt Chinese government is as bad as owing to the nefarious brit.. or the scumbag amercan governments...not to mention the cockroaches at the IMF and World Bank

    First of all you make money on loans, so everyone will do that. Second everyone bribes... if you want to play the game you at least have to match the bribes from other parties or you don't get a seat at the negotiating table. The Chinese have a tradition that when you visit you bring a small gift... that custom could be used and extended any way they like.

    The most critical difference however is that the west... and I mean Europe and the US... demand change in laws when they do business with a country.

    They force the country to liberalise their laws and become more like them... but they are ruled by western and international big business, so by changing their laws to match western laws they are opening themselves up to big companies coming in and taking over everything.

    Look at Bolivia... a coup... not because the leader is a commie... he has been doing what he has been doing for 14 years... why bother now?

    Well perhaps a press release a few months ago that Bolivia is going to stop exporting raw lithium to big foreign companies to process and turn into batteries and other high tech stuff... they are going to build factories in Bolivia and make these batteries themselves... and clearly those foreign companies objected and probably enlisted the support of the CIA and instigated a coup... they threatened the leader and his family with murder... so they meant business... and while he had the support of the people, he didn't have the support of the military... which is how the CIA works... nice quick military coup... kill a few thousand people and it is all over... no referendums or voting or bullshit.

    The Chinese do bribe and they probably don't pay the locals much more than the western countries pay, what they don't do is demand that country open up to being asset stripped by big multinational companies, and create rules based on western european morality... which is going down hill as we speak anyway.

    There is a doctor who claims paedophiles have it hard wired into their brains so they are victims and should not be abused or victimised... is that really where we are headed?

    I am sure serial killers will be next... they are victims too perhaps... they can't help it...

    the west has lots its way... and Russia and China and a lot of other countries don't want to follow... especially the me first attitude of the US.

    I still think that countries should issue interest free money to pay for their infrastructure; their is no need to borrow from the IMF, World Bank or China. Did you read the links I posted? It would be good if any countries around the world embraced similar policies and approaches to their economy.

    I do agree with what Western countries do to support big business is criminal and that China in some cases is better than West; however, I think we let the average American off the hook here; I think a good number of Americans in particular conservatives do support such policies toward Third World countries since they elect these politicians and it is apart of their racist conservative economic ideology that nonwhites are below whites.

    As far as US troops doing their job and doing what they need to survive, Americans don't feel any pity for the people these troops attack in other countries and the evil of US foreign policy. I know you wouldn't feel that way if these troops were attacking Russia or threatening her. I think Russians should simply understand that the United States is AN ENEMY of Russia.

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