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    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:48 am

    Russia is simply not as attractive as the other models - for now.

    Keep telling yourself that.

    Western morals seem wonderful, until you realise they are for you not them, and that they really don't apply their own morals on their own actions, but only when judging your actions.

    Russia and China are not perfect, but they seem less invasive.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:18 am

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:49 pm

    The Magnitskiy Myth Exploded

    The conscientious judges of the European Court of Human Rights published a judgement a fortnight ago which utterly exploded the version of events promulgated by Western governments and media in the case of the late Mr Magnitskiy.

    Yet I can find no truthful report of the judgement in the mainstream media at all.

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    The myth is that Magnitskiy was an honest rights campaigner and accountant who discovered corruption by Russian officials and threatened to expose it, and was consequently imprisoned on false charges and then tortured and killed. A campaign over his death was led by his former business partner, hedge fund manager Bill Browder, who wanted massive compensation for Russian assets allegedly swindled from their venture. The campaign led to the passing of the Magnitskiy Act in the United States, providing powers for sanctioning individuals responsible for human rights abuses, and also led to matching sanctions being developed by the EU.

    However the European Court of Human Rights has found, in judging a case brought against Russia by the Magnitskiy family, that the very essence of this story is untrue.

    They find that there was credible evidence that Magnitskiy was indeed engaged in tax fraud, in conspiracy with Browder, and he was rightfully charged. The ECHR also found there was credible evidence that Magnitskiy was indeed a flight risk so he was rightfully detained. And most crucially of all, they find that there was credible evidence of tax fraud by Magnitskiy and action by the authorities “years” before he started to make counter-accusations of corruption against officials investigating his case.

    This judgement utterly explodes the accepted narrative, and does it very succinctly:

    The applicants argued that Mr Magnitskiy’s arrest had not been based on a reasonable suspicion of a
    crime and that the authorities had lacked impartiality as they had actually wanted to force him to
    retract his allegations of corruption by State officials. The Government argued that there had been
    ample evidence of tax evasion and that Mr Magnitskiy had been a flight risk.

    The Court reiterated the general principles on arbitrary detention, which could arise if the
    authorities had complied with the letter of the law but had acted with bad faith or deception. It
    found no such elements in this case: the enquiry into alleged tax evasion which had led to
    Mr Magnitskiy’s arrest had begun long before he had complained of fraud by officials. The decision
    to arrest him had only been made after investigators had learned that he had previously applied for
    a UK visa, had booked tickets to Kyiv, and had not been residing at his registered address.

    Furthermore, the evidence against him, including witness testimony, had been enough to satisfy an
    objective observer that he might have committed the offence in question. The list of reasons given
    by the domestic court to justify his subsequent detention had been specific and sufficiently detailed.

    The Court thus rejected the applicants’ complaint about Mr Magnitskiy’s arrest and subsequent
    detention as being manifestly ill-founded.

    “Manifestly ill founded”.

    The mainstream media ran reams of reporting about the Magnitskiy case at the time of the passing of the Magnitskiy Act. I am offering a bottle of Lagavulin to anybody who can find me an honest and fair MSM report of this judgement reflecting that the whole story was built on lies.

    Magnitskiy did not uncover corruption then get arrested on false charges of tax evasion. He was arrested on credible charges of tax evasion, and subsequently started alleging corruption. That does not mean his accusations were unfounded. It does however cast his arrest in a very different light.

    Where the Court did find in favour of Magnitskiy’s family is that he had been deprived of sufficient medical attention and subject to brutality while in jail. I have no doubt this is true. Conditions in Russian jails are a disgrace, as is the entire Russian criminal justice system. There are few fair trials and conviction rates remain well over 90% – the judges assume that if you are being prosecuted, the state wants you locked up, and they comply. This is one of many areas where the Putin era will be seen in retrospect as lacking in meaningful and needed domestic reform. Sadly what happened to Magnitskiy on remand was not special mistreatment. It is what happens in Russian prisons. The Court also found subsequent Magnitskiy’s conviction for tax evasion was unsafe, but only on the (excellent) grounds that it was wrong to convict him posthumously.

    The first use of the Magnitsky Act was to sanction those subject to Browder’s vendetta in his attempts to regain control of vast fortunes in Russian assets. But you may be surprised to hear I do not object to the legislation, which in principle is a good thing – although the chances of Western governments bringing sanctions to bear on the worst human rights abusers are of course minimal. Do not expect it to be used against Saudi Arabia, Bahrain or Israel any time soon.


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    Post  PhSt on Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:45 am


    Russia needs to continue and intensify its efforts to expose the double standards of NATO democratic values.

    at the same time, Russia needs to weed out the poisonous Liberat 5th columnists inside Russia. This Ustinov clown needs to be assassinated. It will send a powerful message to these NATO PlGs that Russia is willing to resort to extreme measures to safeguard its sovereignty.


    Detentions of protesters make US rhetoric of democracy look hypocritical - Moscow

    MOSCOW, September 21. /TASS/. The United States and international rights organizations ignored the mid-September detentions of protesters in New York and Houston, demonstrating double standards to human rights issues in various countries, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Friday.

    In a statement released via Facebook, the ministry said that although US local and federal authorities had sufficient time to prepare official comments on those cases, they preferred to keep silent about them. Leading US-based human rights organizations also decided to stay aside and to ignore those arrests.

    "They simply paid no attention to these protests. For instance, Human Rights Watch, which is well known in Russia, supported unauthorised rallies in Moscow practically on a daily basis," the ministry said. "But they did not find the protests in the US to be such a concern. Their website or public statements by their activists do not contain even a sentence about the recent massive detentions in Houston and New York."

    The ministry went on to say that a statement by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo dated September 15, 2019 "looks cynical against this backdrop." In the statement, timed to coincide with the International Day of Democracy, Pompeo emphasized his country’s "unwavering commitment to the unalienable rights" and expressed concern over "the global trend of shrinking civic space." He also assured that his country would "continue to be a leader in protecting civic space to bolster the foundations of democracy."

    "This is a graphic example of double standards. Posing as a global leader in protecting basic rights and freedoms, Washington does not stop at suppressing them when it finds this convenient - this time at home. Apparently, the main goal of US politicians and diplomats in this situation is to continue preaching their "universal" values to other countries," the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

    Protests in US
    On September 12, a group of Greenpeace activists suspended themselves from a bridge in Houston, unfurling banners related to environmental issues. As a result, traffic was blocked, and police arrested 11 participants of the campaign.

    On September 15, New York police arrested 76 participants of a sit-in, organized by the Close the Camps movement at a Microsoft store. The movement, campaigning for closure of camps for illegal migrants, demanded that the company refuse doing business with US Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:04 pm

    The Russian MSM and RT need to stage extensive coverage of such domestic repression in the precious west. Having the
    Russian government comment on it is not good enough and can be easily fobbed off by saps as "Russian propaganda".

    Too many in Russia are not aware of the legal reality in the "free" west. Protestors are not allowed to break the law in the
    name of "freedom of expression" or some other such BS. All protests have to get approval and permits and the protest route
    is stipulated in the permit. The same due process is applied in Russia and none of the 5th column clowns brazenly breaking
    the law by blocking traffic (including ambulances) and creating other disruptions and violations of the freedoms of non-participants,
    are ever denied the right to protest. They do get permits to protest, but that is not what their interest is. Their interest
    is to serve the propaganda narratives of their NATO patrons and to create street theater and force the Russian police to round
    them up. Then, the fake stream NATO mass media claims that these poor dear protestors are being denied the right to protest.
    This is a total lie, of course. Abiding by the terms of a permit is not violation of rights, it is how civilized, intelligent
    people and not primitive shit flinging chimps act.

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    Post  andalusia on Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:34 pm

    Can Russia and China counter this threat by the US?




    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-army-plans-deploy-super-charged-lasers-shootdown-cruise-missiles-84236
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    Post  kvs on Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:37 pm

    andalusia wrote:Can Russia and China counter this threat by the US?

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-army-plans-deploy-super-charged-lasers-shootdown-cruise-missiles-84236

    America likes to claim it has military capability it doesn't. They don't even have the compact and mobile nuclear power
    sources needed for such lasers.

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    Post  kvs on Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:39 pm



    Note how pro-NATO journalists and 5th columnists are yapping about the burden of giving residents of the Donbas Russian passports.
    Their NATO counterparts for some reason never bitch about the millions of immigrants that they are importing from the 3rd world.
    Why is immigration bad for Russia but good for NATO?

    Utter propaganda BS.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:43 pm

    kvs wrote:

    Note how pro-NATO journalists and 5th columnists are yapping about the burden of giving residents of the Donbas Russian passports.
    Their NATO counterparts for some reason never bitch about the millions of immigrants that they are importing from the 3rd world.
    Why is immigration bad for Russia but good for NATO?

    Utter propaganda BS.

    Unlike the migrant crisis in the EU, Donbass residents share the same culture and linguistic heritage, that marks a vast difference in comparison.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:58 am

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-publishes-rare-photos-intercepted-russian-supersonic-fighter-over-baltic

    Read the posts below the article. What a collection of retards. NATO has the F35 Wunderwaffe so it can beat anything
    Russia has to offer. NATO stronkers have the mental development level of 8 year olds.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:38 am

    Hahahaha.... the IR image appears black and white because it appears the image was taken at night... are they serious?

    That is so funny... do they even know what IR even means?

    UV means ultraviolet, or beyond the colour violet, and IR means infrared, which means below the colour red... red and violet being the visible colours of natural light, so with a camera that detects below red how could the image possibly be coloured except artificially so?
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    Post  PhSt on Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:58 pm

    Qatari Pigs are smooching Western behinds again. RT needs to make a video comeback to refute this piece of garbage propaganda

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    Post  kvs on Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:46 pm

    $550 per month nominal translates into $1200 PPP.  

    1) Most Russians do not have extreme mortgage and apartment rent costs (i.e. above 40% of income).
    2) Most official Russian salaries are not the whole story and Russians earn via other jobs.

    So $1200 PPP becomes an effective $2500-3000 PPP when comparing apples to apples.  

    Not too shabby.

    I wonder how much all those pseudo-slave workers make in Qatar.   Without them Qatar would not have an economy.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:16 pm

    An extremely rare interview with Viktor Bout. U.S. officials tried to coerce him in to lying about Putin, which he refused stating he didn't really know Putin personally so there was no dirt to spill (at the 5:30 Mark)

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    Post  kvs on Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:15 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:An extremely rare interview with Viktor Bout. U.S. officials tried to coerce him in to lying about Putin, which he refused stating he didn't really know Putin personally so there was no dirt to spill (at the 5:30 Mark)


    Such prisoner pressure tactics constitute 100% human rights abuse. The USA is openly violating any number of treaties and UN declarations
    it signed involving human rights. This behaviour is also a violation of US law, but the US pretends that non-citizens do not have
    any rights even on US soil. This is yet another violation of human rights. Citizenship does not determine human rights or any other
    rights. Being human is what determines those rights.

    America is a smelly toilet of brazen, bloody hypocrisy and human rights abuse. That is why its fake stream media bleats about alleged
    human rights violations in other countries. To keep the sheeple diverted. It also bleats about human rights and humanitarianism to
    lubricate US imperial wars of aggression.



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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:34 pm

    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:An extremely rare interview with Viktor Bout. U.S. officials tried to coerce him in to lying about Putin, which he refused stating he didn't really know Putin personally so there was no dirt to spill (at the 5:30 Mark)


    Such prisoner pressure tactics constitute 100% human rights abuse.  The USA is openly violating any number of treaties and UN declarations
    it signed involving human rights.  This behaviour is also a violation of US law, but the US pretends that non-citizens do not have
    any rights even on US soil.  This is yet another violation of human rights.  Citizenship does not determine human rights or any other
    rights.  Being human is what determines those rights.  

    America is a smelly toilet of brazen, bloody hypocrisy and human rights abuse.  That is why its fake stream media bleats about alleged
    human rights violations in other countries.  To keep the sheeple diverted.  It also bleats about human rights and humanitarianism to
    lubricate US imperial wars of aggression.




    Well said. Victor Bout is a political prisoner in the US. US has been kidnapping Russians and placing them in jail in the US and that alone I believe is a human rights abuse.
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    Post  PhSt on Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:24 am



    Well said. Victor Bout is a political prisoner in the US. US has been kidnapping Russians and placing them in jail in the US and that alone I believe is a human rights abuse.

    Russia needs to do the same. Kidnap Americans and let them rot in a desolate jail in Siberia. now when the US bitch about it, just say that we are simply returning you the favour. its that simple.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:28 am

    PhSt wrote:


    Well said. Victor Bout is a political prisoner in the US. US has been kidnapping Russians and placing them in jail in the US and that alone I believe is a human rights abuse.

    Russia needs to do the same. Kidnap Americans and let them rot in a desolate jail in Siberia. now when the US bitch about it, just say that we are simply returning you the favour. its that simple.

    I agree, tit for tat is the best gaming strategy. Nobody can win and in the real world this creates a strong incentive for aggressive "players" to
    back off. The yanquis believe that they can rule the world. Giving them a quick kick to the 'nads at the right moments is the optimal approach
    to control their bullying.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:21 am

    I don't think Russia would have much of a future if it decides to emulate US behaviour.

    I think now that Russia is selling rocket technology to China... they should also start selling it to India and South Africa and Iran and anyone else who wants to buy it like North Korea, and stop selling it to the US.

    If the US doesn't want Russia to do that then Russia has a list of terms... including the immediate release of the Russian political prisoners the US has in its jails, and of course ending anti Russian activities regarding WADA and the international Chem and Bio warfare org they have tainted too...

    Russia can either be left alone or it can actively work against the west and the decision as to which Russia applies itself is up to the US and its actions.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:25 am

    GarryB wrote:I don't think Russia would have much of a future if it decides to emulate US behaviour.

    I think now that Russia is selling rocket technology to China... they should also start selling it to India and South Africa and Iran and anyone else who wants to buy it like North Korea, and stop selling it to the US.

    If the US doesn't want Russia to do that then Russia has a list of terms... including the immediate release of the Russian political prisoners the US has in its jails, and of course ending anti Russian activities regarding WADA and the international Chem and Bio warfare org they have tainted too...

    Russia can either be left alone or it can actively work against the west and the decision as to which Russia applies itself is up to the US and its actions.

    It is not about emulating. It is about bending over backwards to please the NATO west. Russia already arrested and put on trial some US
    "investor" crook. So it is pulling the "kidnap" card in a way. But I agree it should not act like some capricious empire breaking the law on
    a whim.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:55 am

    It is not about emulating. It is about bending over backwards to please the NATO west. Russia already arrested and put on trial some US
    "investor" crook. So it is pulling the "kidnap" card in a way. But I agree it should not act like some capricious empire breaking the law on
    a whim.

    Yeah, that is where I think you are wrong... the guy the Russians arrested was in Russia and was obviously doing something pretty dodgy... the Russian we are talking about... Victor Bout was in Thailand and it was US agents who wanted him to get stinger missiles for them for some war somewhere... in other words they created the whole situation... he didn't initiate anything.

    Trying to say one is the same as the other is just bullshit... and if we listen to you we will have real criminals being swapped for random Russians who happen to go to places where the US has extradition no question asked agreements.

    In that case Russia should arrest every US citizen they can get their hands on and put them up on false charges and then just hold them as hostages for when the US does the same... which would just escalate things pointlessly.

    Right now a Russian is in US prison who owned a air transport company and wouldn't cooperate with the US with dirt on Putin. That Butina chick is also serving time for not signing up as a foreign agent because she was not a foreign agent. She was a wide eyed pro US Russian who liked guns and American rights and wanted Russia to be more open and liberal about guns and it has bitten her in the ass. Would love to hear her talk about how wonderful america is after she gets released... one russian cured of the american dream right there.

    Maybe when she gets back to Russia she can shoot an american citizen and the russian justice system can find her guilty and sentence her to time served and release her... who is the current US ambassador to Russia?

    Right now Russias most appealing features are that it has comparable technology to the west, but without the moral judgemental BS and demands we all assimilate and conform to their rules. Russia is a don't judge me and I wont judge you type of country and that is appealing to countries getting screwed over by the west and then told they should be grateful.
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    Post  jhelb on Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:06 pm

    GarryB wrote:I think now that Russia is selling rocket technology to China... they should also start selling it to India and South Africa and Iran and anyone else who wants to buy it like North Korea, and stop selling it to the US.

    These countries will make cheaper clones and sell it in the market. In the process they will drive out Russian companies from the market.

    For instance the South Koreans purchased the technology behind Pantsir Then manufactured a cheap clone called K-30 Biho and is now selling it in the international arms market. So now sales of Pantsir has taken a beating.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:58 am

    These countries will make cheaper clones and sell it in the market. In the process they will drive out Russian companies from the market.

    Why am I surprised you said this....

    The Americans can't make the damn things themselves... why do you think the Chinese could?

    And as far as I know they are selling the production technology, they are not just selling them individual rocket motors like they did with the US, though with the US they did sell them the full plans and specs details.

    Right now a US company makes the complex titanium parts for Safran jet engines for France. The only other place that can make such things to the required precision is Russia and they make these engines amongst other things. Even the French couldn't make these engines if you handed over examples and plans.

    China will be able to make them because Russia is going to hand them the technology and skills to do so.

    They wont be able to make cheap clones to sell on the open market... because you can't make them cheaply... this is very high tech shit.

    And even if they could there are not many countries that would even be able to use them let alone be able to pay for them.

    Very simply there is no market where they can make money from it in any significant way.

    What it will do, however, is be an enormous boost to their space launch capacity as these engines are eye wateringly powerful things.

    In return China is selling to Russia some very useful high tech microelectronics technology that presumably the west wont sell to them.

    Sounds like a win win to me.

    For instance the South Koreans purchased the technology behind Pantsir Then manufactured a cheap clone called K-30 Biho and is now selling it in the international arms market. So now sales of Pantsir has taken a beating.

    The South Koreans created a much less capable system that is much cheaper, so countries that can't afford a better system can buy that. The countries that could afford Pantsir will pay the extra because they know it is more capable. The K-30 is just a vehicle with two 30mm cannon mounted on it with radars fitted and EO systems fitted, and in the current model has MANPADS mounted on it. Its max range is 7km which does not even outrange Vikhr ATGMs let alone Hermes which reaches to double that range.

    The guns are described as being effective to 3km and missiles to 7km.... in comparison the Pantsir has more than three times the 30mm cannon ammo on board and much better sensors and an effective range of 4km with guns of a much higher rate of fire, and more missiles with a range almost 3 times more at 20km in the current model. The Pantsir missiles are also much faster so the engagement times will be shorter allowing more targets to be engaged... compounded with more ready to launch missiles making that possible.

    Pantsir is going to be selling very very well in the next few years as countries take notice what it has been doing in Syria over the last few years... especially compared with western equivalents like 35mm towed cannon mounts and short range SAMs in Saudi Arabia.

    The main contract win by Biho was with India and I suspect it was selected simply because it was not Russian... when they put on international sale their new 57mm AAG systems I think some people in India will be very upset they chose the wrong system.

    BTW it was the S-350 that the South Koreans have a version of and that is not related to the K-30.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:28 pm

    In other news the U.S. backed poodle govt. in Ecuador blames Russia for the protests in their country... lol1
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:52 pm


    In search of a Russian submarine: in Sweden found the source of the encoded signal
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    In Sweden, they finally found a source of a mysterious radio signal that provoked in October 2014 a large-scale military operation to “search for a Russian submarine” in Swedish territorial waters. As it turned out, the encoded signal adopted for the transmission of the submarine sent a faulty meteorological buoy. About this writes the publication Svenska Dagbladet.

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    The large-scale military operation of the Swedish Navy, which began in October 2014 to search for the alleged Russian submarine in the territorial waters of Sweden and ended in nothing, brought the Swedish military nothing but the additional costs of the operation and the conviction that "the submarine was there." But as it turned out, all this time the military was looking for a faulty meteorological buoy, which sent this encoded radio signal.

    In October 2014, the crew of a Swedish submarine patrolling the territorial waters of the country south of the Stockholm archipelago intercepted an encoded radio signal, allegedly sent from a foreign submarine located in the waters of Sweden. The country's Ministry of Defense initiated a large-scale operation to search for a submarine, it was assumed that a Russian mini-submarine penetrated into the territorial waters of Sweden. Searches were carried out for two weeks, 1.8 million euros were spent on them, but nothing could be found. However, Swedish Minister of Defense Peter Hultqvist said that "confirmation was received that there was a foreign submarine in the waters of Sweden."

    As it turned out later, the signal was sent by a faulty weather sensor, and the error was that the crew of the Swedish submarine, intercepting it, incorrectly determined the direction of the signal.


    Then this sound signal was received, the error was that they did not understand that the sound source was in the other direction. Then it was unknown, but this entry was initially confusing for everyone.

    - said one of the participants in the operation to search for a foreign submarine.

    The Swedish Meteorological Service confirmed that a weather beacon that had failed in the Baltic Sea sent a signal of its malfunction. Its encoded transmission was intended for the second buoy, located near the Stockholm archipelago and it was she who was intercepted by a submarine of the Swedish Navy.

    According to the journalists of the publication, the Minister of Defense and the government of the country learned about the real source of the signal in May 2015, however, due to bureaucratic red tape, the parliament was informed only four months after that, without disclosing the details of the incident and after approving the increase in defense spending 923 million euros, including the search for foreign submarines.



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