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    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:00 am

    But why doesn't she like it... they are living the American dream aren't they?
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    Post  franco on Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:41 pm

    GarryB wrote:But why doesn't she like it... they are living the American dream aren't they?

    Apparently some family history with Nazi Ukrainian nationalist... but vague on details so could all be BS.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:34 am

    Well if it is because she opposes Ukrainian nazis then I can understand why she would not be happy with the state of the Ukraine...
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    Post  Regular on Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:35 am

    franco wrote:
    GarryB wrote:But why doesn't she like it... they are living the American dream aren't they?

    Apparently some family history with Nazi Ukrainian nationalist... but vague on details so could all be BS.  

    She is jew. Her opinion matters nothing. When there are jews involved they stir the hate between any nationalities. She can pretend she is russian and insult ukrainian, then do vice versa. And when shit hits the fan- she becomes a jewish. These how it works with them and Israeli neighbors know it the best.
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    Post  flamming_python on Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:41 pm

    Regular wrote:
    franco wrote:
    GarryB wrote:But why doesn't she like it... they are living the American dream aren't they?

    Apparently some family history with Nazi Ukrainian nationalist... but vague on details so could all be BS.  

    She is jew. Her opinion matters nothing. When there are jews involved they stir the hate between any nationalities. She can pretend she is russian and insult ukrainian, then do vice versa. And when shit hits the fan- she becomes a jewish. These how it works with them and Israeli neighbors know it the best.

    Ah Jesus Christ.

    What is it with you and your backwardness Regular?

    My father's Jewish - he's from the Ukraine, but came to Russia originally to study back in the Soviet era. Lived in Israel in the 90s for 6 months, but couldn't stand the nationalism and propaganda there; didn't identify with the Jewish state in any way. Defends Russia to foreigners, big critic of the government though among Russian-speakers, anti what he sees as adventures in the Ukraine. Lives abroad now in Europe and hasn't been back to Russia for nearly 10 years. But on the night that little stand-off happened with Trump over Syria he phoned me up to tell me that we should sink all the yankee ships to the bottom of the Meditteranean if they launch missiles at Russian bases; that enough is enough. I didn't have the heart to tell him that even if they did, that WW3 mutual mass-suicide wouldn't solve anyone's problems.

    I don't think Mila Kunis means to insult either Russians or Ukrainians. She said that people say Russian sounds like Klingon, but to her it sounds romantic. What's so offensive about that?

    American Jews are split between reactionary right-wing (who are further split into Zionists and those who are quite anti-Israel, but nationalists of Jewish identity), and those who are the same as other Americans and rapidly assimilate, intermarry and so on. There's also a minority of religious Jews there, who are also split into radical pro-Israeli sentiment and radical anti-Israeli sentiment (albeit more of the former). Among Russian Jews many assimilate into American society and the wider Jewish community there. There are also some that continue to identify with Russian/ex-Soviet culture; during the World Cup, there was a horde of Russian flag-waving in Brighton Beach.

    There's no such thing as what you're talking about. 2 Jews, 3 opinions as the saying goes. Maybe this confuses some people, that assume that every Jew is one and the same person, a schizophrenic hive mind. In as far as they're a single people, they have less cohesiveness on politics, sympathies, ideologies, etc... than other peoples, not more.

    Israelis act the way they do because it's the Middle East. Every minority there is opportunistic and ethno-nationalist seeking superpower patronage (Jews, Kurds, etc...), and the majorities are messianic-fundamentalist or chauvinist-assimilatory (Iranians, Arabs, Turks). This is what happens when regressive ideals are popular and regions are war-torn. Let's not build repeat all this in Europe.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:57 am

    But wouldn't that be called blowback... Europe... in particular Britain and France have done a lot of ground work in the Middle East to ensure conflict and prevent unity... a unified arab world would challenge the west seeing as how they happen to be sitting on the wests oil supply.

    Of course unity in the western world is about as hollow as unity in Europe...

    And I agree it is important to point out that there are Jews who think Israel is a bad idea and creates tension and hostility towards Jews with little to no chance of peace in the region... palestinians are not allowed a state why should jews have one?

    Or more precisely certain jews are preventing palestinians from statehood, why should those jews be allowed a state?
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    Post  flamming_python on Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:58 pm

    GarryB wrote:But wouldn't that be called blowback... Europe... in particular Britain and France have done a lot of ground work in the Middle East to ensure conflict and prevent unity... a unified arab world would challenge the west seeing as how they happen to be sitting on the wests oil supply.

    Of course unity in the western world is about as hollow as unity in Europe...

    And I agree it is important to point out that there are Jews who think Israel is a bad idea and creates tension and hostility towards Jews with little to no chance of peace in the region... palestinians are not allowed a state why should jews have one?

    Or more precisely certain jews are preventing palestinians from statehood, why should those jews be allowed a state?

    Well we can use that argument against anyone can't we. The same Britain and France did plenty to prevent plenty of peoples establishing states in Africa, Asia, etc...
    America is a state only because its colonists wiped out the native people and their states first.
    Russia has its current form because it also colonized Siberia, the Caucasus.
    And so on.

    I prefer to think of things from a real perspective than an idealist one (whether good or bad ideals). Israel is a state, with millions of people that have already lived a few generations in it; no matter where they originally came from. One way or the other it won't be right to deport them or some such. Same as other states in the world. The trouble is not with the fact that it's a state, but with its politics. Maybe they should just not interfere and conduct operations, and that will be enough for a Palestinian state to come about. Maybe they should withdraw to its old borders and actively broker a compromise with the Palestinian elite class, facilitate the establishment of independent Palestine. It's possible that the only legitimate Israel is one that's not a Jewish one, but that's joint with Palestinian lands and people as well. I don't know, nor does it much concern me - it's just a tiny corner of a very big planet, and there are more important things to worry about in Russia.

    As for unity in Europe - it is certainly hollow as it doesn't have any sort of political-economic system that would allow that. Rather, one that makes social division, disenfranchisement with 'values', exploitation of the itinerant working class in poorer members, the rise of nationalist and reactionary political parties - all inevitable. However it's still way ahead of the Middle East; no need to regress quite that far.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:58 am

    The problem with unity in Europe is that it is forced... a group decides what everyone should think and then demands everyone think the same way they do... except the people of europe never get to chose who is part of that group, and they are often fairly radical and seem to be rather left.

    More of a problem is the people who are offended because other people don't agree with their views... without any discussion on the matter at all.

    Trump won the election because the Hilary group thought they had it in the bag and the media supported them in that view right up until she lost because she was doing enough to what she thought would get her a win and nothing more... she didn't care what all americans wanted or thought, she just said what she thought would get her 51% of the vote, and when it didn't happen it was everything else to blame... Russian hackers, Russian collusion...
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:The problem with unity in Europe is that it is forced... a group decides what everyone should think and then demands everyone think the same way they do... except the people of europe never get to chose who is part of that group, and they are often fairly radical and seem to be rather left.

    They are neo-liberals. It's an ideology closer to the Hegelian principle than to anything based in material reality. In the 19th century, the Hegelian principle was used to explain that misery and social ills during industrialization came because people were becoming religiously alienated. Classic chicken before the egg falacy.

    Nowadays, the thinking is that 3rd world countries suffer because they are not 'democratic' enough. Domestic society suffers, because it is not 'tolerant' enough. All that's needed is to change people's patterns of thinking and demonize everyone who thinks differently, it's oh so simple.

    Liberalism claims to be the result of the enlightment, the triumph of reason over superstition. Perhaps in its original form it was true, but nowadays it has devolved to the form of a religion, and a moralistic value system. Be a better Christian, be a more enlightened liberal - and everything will be okay, all the ills of society will vanish. And if absolutely everyone in the world was a good liberal, or a good Muslim, or whatever - then there would be world peace. Yeah, good luck turning everyone to one set of ideals, and even more luck with the notion that they'll all follow these tenets faithfully. Here comes in the neccessity for a religious or ideological vanguard. Which will inevitably become corrupted after a few generations, even if they were once true believers.

    More of a problem is the people who are offended because other people don't agree with their views... without any discussion on the matter at all.

    In rather the same manner of past century religious intolerance and witch-hunts. If you believe in a set of religious doctrines for the basis of a society and another person believes in a different set of religious doctrines; of course there will be a conflict.

    In the same manner, when you believe in a bunch of ideological superstitions and a moral value system as the basis of a political system (you have your own idea of how people are supposed to be, and don't accept them for what they are as a result of their social, economic conditions and historical memory); you're going to come into conflict with those with different ideals. When Muslim immigrants in Europe are asked to integrate, they are actually being asked to swap their religion for another. Now of course many of those Muslim immigrants bring with them backward ideals themselves - but pressuring on them to adopt a (state-sponsored) different value system and for all intents and purposes - religion - will create tension. And even if they were all converted, it won't actually solve anything as the state is backwards itself and justifies war and aggression by some arbitrary morals; building 'freedom', 'democracy', etc.... (which the actual reasons in reality have little to do with). The stronger such states are and the more influence they have, the worse for the world.

    The state should not support any value system, it should be based on scientific reasoning. Or if it does, then concrete things everyone wants and can relate with - peace, economic development, education, etc... with progress, old antagonisms will go away by themselves.

    This is not to say that idealist values and religions have no value. They surely do - but only in the manner of an individual or collective philosophy and way of behavior towards other people. In that sense they are desirable, but in the field of politics, or any science - they're not.

    Trump won the election because the Hilary group thought they had it in the bag and the media supported them in that view right up until she lost because she was doing enough to what she thought would get her a win and nothing more... she didn't care what all americans wanted or thought, she just said what she thought would get her 51% of the vote, and when it didn't happen it was everything else to blame... Russian hackers, Russian collusion...

    Internal enemies too - white men, the patriarchy, etc...

    Couldn't be because she was a war-mongering power-hungry bitch and advocated more of the same, while Trump was a politician that whatever his views, actually seemed to be sincere in what he said, and came in from outside the democrat-republican establishment.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:50 pm

    So the warmonger and blow hard John Bolton has accused Russia of stealing US rocket tech. LOL.

    This is an example of the perp accusing the victim of the crime. The US is badly behind across a whole range of rocket
    systems from hypersonics to nuclear propelled cruise missiles. Compare the Patriot systems to the S-400. Now that the US
    is scrambling to even have a supersonic anti-ship missile it starts accusing Russia of stealing. Stealing what? Obsolete
    US junk? As with the Shkval, it is the USA that is trying to steal Russian rocket tech.

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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:21 pm

    Americans really are imbeciles and inadequates. They are a day late and a dollar short to the hypersonic missile party and accuse
    others of stealing. Was this like pre-theft? Bolton and the rest of the self-anointed exceptional ones have no credibility. America
    has not even tried to deploy similar systems and is only now tendering for their development. Did Russia steal the tenders?

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:48 pm

    Walrus John Bolton should lay off the sea cucumbers.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:56 am

    Hey... that is not fair... to Walruses...
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    Post  PhSt on Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:27 pm

    So when Russia deploy its police to quell rallies its an infringement of people's right to peaceful gathering, but when America does it its okay? Russia should adopt tough American laws when it comes to unsanctioned rallies that cause "Civil Disturbance"

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    Post  Hole on Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:38 pm

    It´s because the russian police supresses the people while the murican police is defending democracy. lol!
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:17 am

    Next big rally in the US, I would love to dress up in a Putin suit and hand out chocolate chip cookies... fresh baked... make them really tasty...

    I still think as the US election gets closer that Putin should have a special meeting with the western media and evaluate... I mean seriously and honestly, all of the American candidates... it would be such a hoot.

    First of all to get an honest independent view on US politicians on its own would be valuable, but to hear them squeal about Putins support or not having Putins support it would be hilarious... it would rise to fever pitch in the US because anyone Putin likes will try to distance themselves from his support and anyone he paints as a bad person will take that as an endorsement and a positive... but then the real fun will begin... the mindgames... candidate B will say vote for me because Putin endorses the opposition... he is an evil America hater and wants American to fail and America will fail if you vote for my opponent and not me.

    Candidate A will say Putin said I was a good guy/girl, which just goes to show he is a good judge of character, or to follow the anti Russia hysteria... it is all a mind game... he is endorsing me because I scare him and he is afraid I will get to be president and defeat him because I am so smart and he is not, so he is endorsing me because he hopes that will stop you voting for me...

    And of course around and around it will go... it will be even more of a circus than normal... but if anyone complains that Putin is directly interfering in a US election just play the tape of every Russian election and every US and EU politician giving their two cents as to whom the Russians should vote for.... wont shut them up of course, it never does, but they might remember all those EU and NATO officials endorsing Hillary and writing off Trump as a loser... which is why he was so nice to all of them when he went over after winning the election...
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    Post  thegopnik on Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:25 am

    https://www.newsweek.com/illinois-lgbt-public-school-1454918

    What the west is doing



    What Russians are doing

    In all honesty if everyone puts a lot of deep thought into this liberals are basically useful idiots that are making the Russians more powerful in the future. Teach the youth unnecessary useless things, turn the general population into idiots, a population full of idiots will hamper scientific innovation to technology. Also fuck the working class citizens with taxes for useless shit like green energy which costs billions of dollars and don't give the same energy output as a nuclear powerplant and nuclear powerplants are actually as clean as green energy resources.

    Hell bent on decrease spending in nuclear weapons. If S-500s can intercepts 10s of ICBMs simultaneously as a stand alone system without any ground radars, and the A-235 for example lets say can intercept 100 ICBM targets simultaneously to the point that Russians will eventually be able to intercept 1000s of nukes away from their country in the future. And since your superpower is full of idiots they do not have the critical thinking needed to come up with weapons that would make it harder for air defenses to intercept so more power to you again. Your country than has the technological superiority of not feeling threatened if getting nuked while the country threatening you with nukes is also too stupid to deal with your nuclear weapons.

    Takeaway guns,give power to low iq races(don't get me wrong their are geniuses some who are my mentors just referring to the general population statistics) and teach them to hate whites, basically decreasing the military technological prowess of your country even further at a rapid rate. To the point that Russian conscripts would have the capability to set foot on your land since your nukes cant touch their country. if you are a sexy Latina or whatever I would run away as fast as possible or find good hiding spots because just like Germany in ww2 and the soviet-Afghanistan war they might turn the US into a brothel.

    It is very possible despite countries saying they have 1000s of nukes to be conquered if they fall behind in technology. Republicans are more of an obstacle to Russia's global dominance strategy if they ever had one.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:42 am

    It is popular to link cultural Trotskyism to the USSR. That is why the term cultural Marxism is use. But Marx was all about workers
    and it is the disillusioned world commies who dropped Marx to pursue a species of Trotskyism to undermine the west. Their success
    has been breathtaking. They managed to push "leftism" during the reactionary 1940s and 1950s and directly led to the flower power
    hippy outburst of the late 1960s. For some strange reason, McCarthy failed to round up the real spies. But that reason is that the
    cultural Trotskyists were not card carrying members of the US communist party or had any particular affiliation with the Soviet Union.

    The current spasm of reactionary PC culture is something that would make 1930s Soviets cringe. Soviet communism invoked brotherhood
    of the peoples and even women's rights but it did not push some bizarre poly-gender and infinite number of victim groups fragmentation
    of society. The USSR was never into LGBTQXYZ12345%$@()#.

    Russia today is not communist or even western socialist. It is not a fascist tyranny either. People in the west need to worry about the
    SJW brown shirts who are beating dissidents and other free thinkers into submission. That is, worry about your own transition to
    PC totalitarianism (notably backed by the corporate sector that was supposedly right wing) before project all sorts of paranoid BS
    illusions on Russia. Russia is still a bastion of sanity. But even there the PC maggots are eating away, pushing precious "western
    values" onto Russian "barbarians".



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    Post  kvs on Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:29 pm

    Bulgarian revisionists claim that the USSR did not liberate them from the Nazis.

    https://rusvesna.su/news/1567571401

    Bulgaria was always a backstabber. Eat yanqui shit you swine.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:57 pm

    kvs wrote:Bulgarian revisionists claim that the USSR did not liberate them from the Nazis.

    https://rusvesna.su/news/1567571401

    Bulgaria was always a backstabber.   Eat yanqui shit you swine.


    They have been backstabbers since before the existence of Russia. Their wars against the Easter Roman Empire caused a mutual weakening of them and the Romans and allowed later the ottoman invasion of the Balkans.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:55 am

    Well I think it is ironic them and others comparing Nazism and Communism, because if you believe their interpretation they have tried it all... they started out peace loving democracies, and then evil Germany invaded and occupied them imposing Nazism on them for 3-5 years, and then evil liberating Stalin threw out the evil Nazis but replaced Nazism with evil Communism... until the Soviet Union collapsed in the early 1990s and then they got a short taste of democracy again... Just like Russia did... but now they are part of NATO they have gone back to Nazism again and they are jealous that Russia gets real democracy and they don't.

    But of course they blame Russia...
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    Post  kvs on Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:00 pm

    A detail that is routinely ignored and forgotten is that no western country was a real democracy back in the 1930s. This includes
    Canada which brutally repressed union protests. The "democracy" that people in the west remember and boast only appeared after WWII
    and was actually partly induced by the Cold War. The other reason was economic growth and development. The USSR was acting like a
    competitor in a social system market and forced the west to actually implement some of the "human rights" it endlessly yammers about.

    For sure none of the Balkan and Central European states like Bulgaria were anything one could call democracies. They had authoritarian
    regimes even if there was pretense of democracy. Poland was one such de facto fascist state that loves to cry about its virginity all
    the time.

    This Bulgarian revisionism is grotesque since it does not matter how "democratic" these "victim" states were before WWII. The formerly
    democratic Germany together with Hungary, Romania and Italy invaded the USSR in a war of racial extermination. What is more is that
    this Axis had fellow travelers like Finland, elements in the UK and USA, and "fence sitter" Bulgaria.

    Then we have all the phony tears about how bad it was under communism. Being an immigrant from the USSR, I know enough to say that
    if you were not some political activist, life was not bad. In fact, in places like the Baltics and the Balkans (e.g. Bulgaria) there
    was elevation from rural poverty. The USSR cannot be blamed for the nutjob leadership of Romania. Ceaucescu openly pursued an
    independent policy was as courted by NATO. Maybe if the USSR actually ran these countries like colonies it would have selected
    more sane leaders. But the USSR was not running any colonies and was not occupying these countries either. At worst it can be
    accused of regime change in the wake of WWII.

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    Post  kvs on Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:09 pm



    Bulgaria was part of the Nazi alliance but "sat on the fence". Interesting how all the yaps with skeletons in their closets are now
    posing as virtuous and indignant at Russia's "interference" by referring to history.

    Nice to see the populations of these hater toilets rapidly declining. "Serves them right".

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:41 am

    kvs wrote:

    Bulgaria was part of the Nazi alliance but "sat on the fence".    Interesting how all the yaps with skeletons in their closets are now
    posing as virtuous and indignant at Russia's "interference" by referring to history.

    Nice to see the populations of these hater toilets rapidly declining.  "Serves them right".


    It's seems the entirety of the Balkan/Aegean sea adjacent eurotrash nations are smoking from the same crack-pipe, that even includes Greece/Cyprus that just recently backstabbed Russia. In the case of Bulgaria, Russia was the country that liberated them from Ottoman control, and the only thing that prevented Northern Cyprus from officially becoming a Turkish territory (which the Obama admin was ironically trying to negotiate a Turkish annexation behind the scenes). Now that the Balkan states (which includes Macedonia) have sowed the seeds of betrayal and deceit, nothing will stop the Turks from reconquering those territories through stealth because Russian will never make the mistake (again) of jumping out the window to save these Balkan Quisling toilets from their own self-destruction.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:32 pm

    It's the elites. They'll whore themselves for a nickle. Lets be real. Hec, some of the traitorous Russian elites whore themselves for a nickle. The elites of these countries will whore themselves to Russia if in some distant future Russia regains some of its past greatness (becoming super rich and dominant) and there isn't a Western suitor to replace it, or be an alternative - like the current E.U/U.S partnership is. It's not personal. Russia is simply not as attractive as the other models - for now.

    In such hypothetical they would be dancing "brotherhood" songs all night and day and "nobody" will remember the bad times...

    $$$

    The elites love their current lot with the Western clique. And they certainly don't want Russia, a revisionist power (as it should) upsetting the current order that so richly benefits them. So they'll fight Russia where they can. Barking is small potatoes.

    What's the current alternative? Being the next Belarus, Armenia or Kazakhstan? They'll pass that any day. That's not to mention the fate of Yugoslavia, Ukraine and Georgia... a lot of ugly there. But if it ever becomes extremely beautiful to be in the Russian club again, have no doubt some will hop.

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