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    Post  Viktor on Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:51 am

    Russian Federation is testing something big in space ....  thumbsup  thumbsup

    I would go for the ASAT.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:04 pm

    Viktor wrote:Russian Federation is testing something big in space ....  thumbsup  thumbsup

    I would go for the ASAT.

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    They just have to demonstrate to the chauvinist moron leadership of NATO that they have the ability for ASAT.
    I recall all of the awe at the fact that China took out a satellite with a missile (leaving yet more debris hazard in
    LEO) and I got the impression that people actually thought Russia could not do the same.   The Bulava, RS-24 and
    other launches are not just for testing, they are to remind Russia's foaming at the mouth enemies that Russia has
    the capacity to inflict serious harm to them and their ambitions.
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    Post  Viktor on Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:32 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Russian Federation is testing something big in space ....  thumbsup  thumbsup

    I would go for the ASAT.

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    They just have to demonstrate to the chauvinist moron leadership of NATO that they have the ability for ASAT.
    I recall all of the awe at the fact that China took out a satellite with a missile (leaving yet more debris hazard in
    LEO) and I got the impression that people actually thought Russia could not do the same.   The Bulava, RS-24 and
    other launches are not just for testing, they are to remind Russia's foaming at the mouth enemies that Russia has
    the capacity to inflict serious harm to them and their ambitions.

    I remember actually reading somewhere that Russia was the primarily reason why China has that capability in the first place.
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    Post  Mike E on Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:27 pm

    Viktor wrote:Russian Federation is testing something big in space ....  thumbsup  thumbsup

    I would go for the ASAT.

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    I have no clue to be honest... Space-based ASAT systems have never really been attempted before, and one now would be quite the shocker (more so to the West).
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:01 pm

    Russia, more specifically USSR had asat capabilities. But where missiles attached to MiG-31's. What China did is nothing amazing as it was a shotgun effect from a large missile.
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    Post  Viktor on Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:04 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Russian Federation is testing something big in space ....  thumbsup  thumbsup

    I would go for the ASAT.

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    I have no clue to be honest... Space-based ASAT systems have never really been attempted before, and one now would be quite the shocker (more so to the West).


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    Post  Mike E on Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:36 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Russian Federation is testing something big in space ....  thumbsup  thumbsup

    I would go for the ASAT.

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    I have no clue to be honest... Space-based ASAT systems have never really been attempted before, and one now would be quite the shocker (more so to the West).
    Take another guess  Very Happy

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    Completely forgot about that one...  Embarassed But it was never actually used in space, was it?

    Seph, that is like how the US used to do it before the SM-3 (via plane which launches an ASAT missile).
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:59 pm


    Major problem with the China way of intercepting satellites is that US have Thousands of them in Orbit.. So China will go bankrupt after the 20-30 rocket launched to intercept one satellite each. The real practical way to shut down enemy satellites in case of a major war.. is militarization of space.. to have battle stations in space with satellites armed with hundreds of mini missiles each that can intercept satellites.. the advantage in space for such system is the no gravity ,significantly help the design of any interceptor ,because they dont require powerful boosters to defeat stationary targets in orbit..Any cheap rocket grenade with fragmentation explosives will be enough to neutralize any satellite .
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:17 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Major problem with the China way of intercepting satellites is that US have Thousands of them in Orbit.. So China will go bankrupt after the 20-30 rocket launched to intercept one satellite each. The real practical way to shut down enemy satellites in case of a major war.. is militarization of space.. to have battle stations in space with satellites armed with hundreds of mini missiles each that can intercept satellites.. the advantage in space for such system is the no gravity ,significantly help the design of any interceptor ,because they dont require powerful boosters to defeat stationary targets in orbit..Any cheap rocket grenade with fragmentation explosives will be enough to neutralize any satellite .


    US has about 250 satellites and thats it and there is no need to shoot down all of them to criple US abilities to wage war.
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    Post  Mike E on Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:36 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Major problem with the China way of intercepting satellites is that US have Thousands of them in Orbit.. So China will go bankrupt after the 20-30 rocket launched to intercept one satellite each. The real practical way to shut down enemy satellites in case of a major war.. is militarization of space.. to have battle stations in space with satellites armed with hundreds of mini missiles each that can intercept satellites.. the advantage in space for such system is the no gravity ,significantly help the design of any interceptor ,because they dont require powerful boosters to defeat stationary targets in orbit..Any cheap rocket grenade with fragmentation explosives will be enough to neutralize any satellite .


    US has about 250 satellites and thats it and there is no need to shoot down all of them to criple US abilities to wage war.
    Yep, plus only a select few of those satellites are military, and even less are reconnaissance... 

    China would go bankrupt? They probably already have hundreds of these missiles, and I wouldn't be surprised if they (or Russia for that matter) could destroy them via technology. 

    Battle is space would be a complete disaster, ever heard of the Kessler effect? The ship that would fire the missile would be completely destroyed within hours unless it de-orbits.

    What is up with your recent posts?
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:03 pm

    After US space shutle orbiting for years around the globe it was on the Russians to prove that they could kill it Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Mindstorm on Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:44 pm

    http://www.arms-expo.ru/articles/124/77265/

    A brief ,mostly historical, article on the first ASAT systems (with the first working sample and successfull space intercept  by part of Полет-1 by ЦНИИ Комета in the 1968.)
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    Post  jhelb on Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:26 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:
    http://www.arms-expo.ru/articles/124/77265/

    A brief ,mostly historical, article on the first ASAT systems (with the first working sample and successfull space intercept  by part of Полет-1 by ЦНИИ Комета in the 1968.)

    I think it makes far more sense for Russia to have some spaceship or unmanned combat aerial vehicle in space that is armed with anti sat missiles. In that way Russia can target both enemy ICBMs and enemy satellites.

    I suspect the US is trying to do something similar with the X-37 spacecraft.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:18 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Mindstorm wrote:
    http://www.arms-expo.ru/articles/124/77265/

    A brief ,mostly historical, article on the first ASAT systems (with the first working sample and successfull space intercept  by part of Полет-1 by ЦНИИ Комета in the 1968.)

    I think it makes far more sense for Russia to have some spaceship or unmanned combat aerial vehicle in space that is armed with anti sat missiles. In that way Russia can target both enemy ICBMs and enemy satellites.

    I suspect the US is trying to do something similar with the X-37 spacecraft.

    Stuff like that is still banned according to Outer Space Treaty.
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    Post  max steel on Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:38 am

    X-37 is used to launch satellites just like Buran did and nope they are not meant for delivering nukes Russia made a buran just to test whether nukes can be delivered via space and they got their answers.

    US is not interested in keeping space weapons free as earlier both Russia and China suggested bit US refused the proposal.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:19 am

    Of course the X-37 will deliver nukes...

    The Buran and the Space Shuttle could both deliver nuclear weapons... it would just be more efficient to put those nukes on an ICBM most of the time.

    The US wants space weaponised... but with US controlled weapons only...
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    Post  jhelb on Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:21 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Stuff like that is still banned according to Outer Space Treaty.

    But the US designed the X 37 despite being a signatory to OST. Similarly THAAD-ER is actually banned under the treaty. So if the US can carry out such work despite bans so should Russia.
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    Post  max steel on Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:06 pm

    Funny Russia flew its Unmanned OTV in 1980's whereas US flew its X-37 OTV in 2010.

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