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    Post  andalusia on Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:54 am

    could Russia have modernized the su 15 and brought it to the level of the French Mirage? It seems they could have sold it to poor countries in Asia, Africa and Central America.  It was a delta wing like the Mirage and seems like they could have improved the technology.  Was it possible or it simply was an outdated jet?

    Also what is people's opinion about the Saab 37? I read it was a good jet and where did it rank among the jet fighters at the time and why didn't Sweden try to sell this jet to poor countries in Asia, Africa and Central America?  I read that it was easy and inexpensive to maintain.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_37_Viggen
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:00 am

    andalusia wrote:could Russia have modernized the su 15 and brought it to the level of the French Mirage? It seems they could have sold it to poor countries in Asia, Africa and Central America.  It was a delta wing like the Mirage and seems like they could have improved the technology.  Was it possible or it simply was an outdated jet?

    Also what is people's opinion about the Saab 37? I read it was a good jet and where did it rank among the jet fighters at the time and why didn't Sweden try to sell this jet to poor countries in Asia, Africa and Central America?  I read that it was easy and inexpensive to maintain.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_37_Viggen

    Not sure your question tbh.

    Su-17 has been modernized over the years with various different tech all the way up to Su-22M5 which had a lot of modern tech in it (join venture between France and Russia).

    Its a strike aircraft an in all its purposes, it does its job well, even with minor upgrades.

    I guess only real upgrade now that would make it even better is Gefast & T system.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:06 am

    Su-22 uses pretty much all the tactical missiles that russia has. It is a very good and cheap to operate bomber that should have been kept in big numbers.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:29 am

    Su-15 was a specialised interceptor for the V-PVO. Fast and high flying, and IIRC much more expensive than the MiG-23s used by FA. It was never exported, even to WarPac allies on account of its higher tech levels.
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    Post  andalusia on Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:36 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    andalusia wrote:could Russia have modernized the su 15 and brought it to the level of the French Mirage? It seems they could have sold it to poor countries in Asia, Africa and Central America.  It was a delta wing like the Mirage and seems like they could have improved the technology.  Was it possible or it simply was an outdated jet?

    Also what is people's opinion about the Saab 37? I read it was a good jet and where did it rank among the jet fighters at the time and why didn't Sweden try to sell this jet to poor countries in Asia, Africa and Central America?  I read that it was easy and inexpensive to maintain.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_37_Viggen

    Not sure your question tbh.

    Su-17 has been modernized over the years with various different tech all the way up to Su-22M5 which had a lot of modern tech in it (join venture between France and Russia).

    Its a strike aircraft an in all its purposes, it does its job well, even with minor upgrades.

    I guess only real upgrade now that would make it even better is Gefast & T system.

    I was talking about the su-15

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-15
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    Post  Isos on Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:11 am

    Mig 25 was a much better interceptor, widely exported. Anyone who wants su-15 can get a mig-25. Mig 31 is also better and offered for export. Mirage is a fighter while su 15 an interceptor with bad manoeuvrability. 

    Modernization is possible but unlikely to find anyone who will buy it. And it can't be transformed into a fighter. 

    Modern air forces want multirole jets that can do everything and if they had to choose btw su 15 and mirage they will take mirage.
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    Post  andalusia on Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:52 am

    Isos wrote:Mig 25 was a much better interceptor, widely exported. Anyone who wants su-15 can get a mig-25. Mig 31 is also better and offered for export. Mirage is a fighter while su 15 an interceptor with bad manoeuvrability. 

    Modernization is possible but unlikely to find anyone who will buy it. And it can't be transformed into a fighter. 

    Modern air forces want multirole jets that can do everything and if they had to choose btw su 15 and mirage they will take mirage.

    Good response. I want to know is the SU-33 available for export? What are the reasons why it is not available; it seems like a good jet. Moreover, why hardly any Russian allies want the MIG 35? It seems like a country can get a very capable jet for a good price.

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