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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:58 am

    There are only a limited number of things in the RF worth attacking so therefore only a certain number of things worth defending too.
    no, there r plenty of cities with over 1M population; 10 of them r in the European part & the Urals. Note that the sixteen largest cities have a total population of 35,798,844, or roughly 24.4% of the country's total population.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_towns_in_Russia_by_population#Cities_and_towns

    There r also NPPs, hydroelectric plants, dams, canals, MIC sites, air/missile bases, & railway transport network centers.
    I forgot to mention CMs from SSNs & bombers as well.
    A few C-17s can release many false targets near RF airspace; how will S-500s cope with EMP bursts?


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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:46 pm

    Not a big loss but still better to scrap than leave it as a potential environmental problem


    DEC 15, 09:11Updated 09:25
    The sunken and surfaced submarine in Sevastopol is disposed of
    The floating dock PD-16 and the hull of the submarine that was in it were decommissioned for more than 10 years, the press service of the Southern Military District said

    A decommissioned B-380 Black Sea Fleet sunken with a floating dock, which then surfaced, is preparing to be towed to the disposal site, the Southern Military District Press Service information department told reporters.

    "Currently, technical work is underway to prepare for towing to the disposal site. The floating dock PD-16 and the hull of the submarine, which was in it, were decommissioned from the fleet more than 10 years ago and must be disposed of," it was reported.

    According to a TASS correspondent, the floating dock PD-16 remains above the water only a quarter of the surface part, while the submarine inside the dock turned over on its side. Only the upper part of the floating dock remained above the water - about 2 meters. This is not more than a quarter of the height of that part of the structure, which in a normal position is above the water.

    Submarine B-380 remains in the dock. She is lying on her side. Around work auxiliary vessels. The embankment of the South Bay near the dock is patrolled by the military police. In particular, its employees prohibit taking pictures of the bay.

    The PD-16 floating dock - a pontoon metal structure for repair of submarines, destroyers, minesweepers, support vessels with a displacement of up to 5 thousand tons - was laid down in 1938 and, according to a TASS source in emergency services of Sevastopol, went under water in its South bay on the night of December 15th. The dock for many years under repair was a large diesel-electric submarine of Project 641B Som B-380 (formerly the Gorky Komsomolets), which, since the spring of 2016, has been included in the tender of the Ministry of Defense for disposal

    https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/7350509
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    Post  dino00 on Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:47 am

    Interview with Alexander Buzakov , director general of Admiralty Shipyards

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:18 am

    Well they are definitely going to need new floating dry docks now, both to replace those lost, but also to deal with a future increase in production of larger ships which will also need dry dock facilities too...
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    Post  kvs on Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:43 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Not a big loss but still better to scrap than leave it as a potential environmental problem


    DEC 15, 09:11Updated 09:25
    The sunken and surfaced submarine in Sevastopol is disposed of
    The floating dock PD-16 and the hull of the submarine that was in it were decommissioned for more than 10 years, the press service of the Southern Military District said

    A decommissioned B-380 Black Sea Fleet sunken with a floating dock, which then surfaced, is preparing to be towed to the disposal site, the Southern Military District Press Service information department told reporters.

    "Currently, technical work is underway to prepare for towing to the disposal site. The floating dock PD-16 and the hull of the submarine, which was in it, were decommissioned from the fleet more than 10 years ago and must be disposed of," it was reported.

    According to a TASS correspondent, the floating dock PD-16 remains above the water only a quarter of the surface part, while the submarine inside the dock turned over on its side. Only the upper part of the floating dock remained above the water - about 2 meters. This is not more than a quarter of the height of that part of the structure, which in a normal position is above the water.

    Submarine B-380 remains in the dock. She is lying on her side. Around work auxiliary vessels. The embankment of the South Bay near the dock is patrolled by the military police. In particular, its employees prohibit taking pictures of the bay.

    The PD-16 floating dock - a pontoon metal structure for repair of submarines, destroyers, minesweepers, support vessels with a displacement of up to 5 thousand tons - was laid down in 1938 and, according to a TASS source in emergency services of Sevastopol, went under water in its South bay on the night of December 15th. The dock for many years under repair was a large diesel-electric submarine of Project 641B Som B-380 (formerly the Gorky Komsomolets), which, since the spring of 2016, has been included in the tender of the Ministry of Defense for disposal

    https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/7350509


    1938! That is a freaking long time for any steel structure in salt water without proper maintenance. Russia is experiencing
    a large burden from from long-past-use date structures that were not replaced due to the endless economic turmoil. With the
    current plateau of stability, they can hopefully catch up with all the needed rebuilding.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:46 pm

    kvs wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Not a big loss but still better to scrap than leave it as a potential environmental problem


    DEC 15, 09:11Updated 09:25
    The sunken and surfaced submarine in Sevastopol is disposed of
    The floating dock PD-16 and the hull of the submarine that was in it were decommissioned for more than 10 years, the press service of the Southern Military District said

    A decommissioned B-380 Black Sea Fleet sunken with a floating dock, which then surfaced, is preparing to be towed to the disposal site, the Southern Military District Press Service information department told reporters.

    "Currently, technical work is underway to prepare for towing to the disposal site. The floating dock PD-16 and the hull of the submarine, which was in it, were decommissioned from the fleet more than 10 years ago and must be disposed of," it was reported.

    According to a TASS correspondent, the floating dock PD-16 remains above the water only a quarter of the surface part, while the submarine inside the dock turned over on its side. Only the upper part of the floating dock remained above the water - about 2 meters. This is not more than a quarter of the height of that part of the structure, which in a normal position is above the water.

    Submarine B-380 remains in the dock. She is lying on her side. Around work auxiliary vessels. The embankment of the South Bay near the dock is patrolled by the military police. In particular, its employees prohibit taking pictures of the bay.

    The PD-16 floating dock - a pontoon metal structure for repair of submarines, destroyers, minesweepers, support vessels with a displacement of up to 5 thousand tons - was laid down in 1938 and, according to a TASS source in emergency services of Sevastopol, went under water in its South bay on the night of December 15th. The dock for many years under repair was a large diesel-electric submarine of Project 641B Som B-380 (formerly the Gorky Komsomolets), which, since the spring of 2016, has been included in the tender of the Ministry of Defense for disposal

    https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/7350509


    1938!  That is a freaking long time for any steel structure in salt water without proper maintenance.   Russia is experiencing
    a large burden from from long-past-use date structures that were not replaced due to the endless economic turmoil.   With the
    current plateau of stability, they can hopefully catch up with all the needed rebuilding.


    I believe it was decommissioned although a sub was in it so it tells me they were using it to scrap the sub I don't understand why it takes so long to scrap the sub apparently the started it in 2010 now it's just going to rot on shores causing environmental issue instead of being recycled and money for scrap lost. If they had no intention of scrapping should have just dragged it out to sea and test fired a missile on it.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:51 pm

    If they had no intention of scrapping should have just dragged it out to sea and test fired a missile on it.

    Or test some new torpedo against it when submerged.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:00 am

    Marchal Ustinov, a Slava class cruiser goes into the Black Sea. That's weired. What is it going to do in the black sea ?
    They should remove even the Moskva out of there. Their place is in the the north and pacific to face the US carriers not in the black sea.


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    Post  Isos on Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:52 pm

    That's weired... something is going on with this ship.


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    Post  Isos on Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:17 pm

    More firepower in the black sea, an Udaloy is there too.


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    Post  Isos on Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:54 pm

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    Post  Isos on Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:11 pm

    Maybe will go off Syrian coast to watch for possible Israeli attacks in the US-Iran mini-war.


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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:26 pm

    Isos wrote:Maybe will go off Syrian coast to watch for possible Israeli attacks in the US-Iran mini-war.


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    Or check out the US Amphibious Ready Group LH5 USS Bataan that is heading east in the Med.

    It certainly made sense to move one of the Slavas out of the Black sea.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:35 pm

    It would make more sense to move both IMO.

    Their targets are carrier group and there will never be one in the black sea.
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    Post  walle83 on Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:06 pm

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    Whats the deal with the Kerch? After the fire in 2014 it just sits there, not getting repaired, laid up or getting ready for scrap.
    Whats the story there?
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:01 pm

    I suspect that the RuN doesn't know what it wants yet regrading the Kerch.  She's an unmodernised Soviet-era cruiser so her weapons and sensors will be obsolete, plus she's a one-of-a-kind.  Not really worth upgrading, and probably not repairting given her limited combat capabilities.

    They have better things to spend money on so will leave her tied up at wharf and thereby defer both a final decision and funds for breaking.

    Maybe they will turn her into a museum ship?
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    Post  walle83 on Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:28 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:I suspect that the RuN doesn't know what it wants yet regrading the Kerch.  She's an unmodernised Soviet-era cruiser so her weapons and sensors will be obsolete, plus she's a one-of-a-kind.  Not really worth upgrading, and probably not repairting given her limited combat capabilities.

    They have better things to spend money on so will leave her tied up at wharf and thereby defer both a final decision and funds for breaking.

    Maybe they will turn her into a museum ship?

    Funny enough she is about 5 years younger then the destroyer Smetlivy but never recived any kind of modification to talk about. Gessing that after the Ochakov fiasko the navy wasnt so willing spending more money on a Kara-cruiser.

    Intresting fact is that after the Kirovs and Slava cruisers she is actually the largest surface warship in the Russian navy today.
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    Post  franco on Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:29 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:I suspect that the RuN doesn't know what it wants yet regrading the Kerch.  She's an unmodernised Soviet-era cruiser so her weapons and sensors will be obsolete, plus she's a one-of-a-kind.  Not really worth upgrading, and probably not repairting given her limited combat capabilities.

    They have better things to spend money on so will leave her tied up at wharf and thereby defer both a final decision and funds for breaking.

    Maybe they will turn her into a museum ship?

    That is the plan apparently. Read that at least one engine is fairly new and will be salvaged.
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:46 am

    Back to two Slavas in the Black Sea.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:14 pm

    Putin from a NF CG watched the caliber and dagger rocket firing during exercises on the Black Sea
    http://www.ng.ru/news/667575.html?print=Y

    Moscow's desire to build warships does not match its capabilities
    http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2020-01-09/100_flot090120.html?print=Y
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    Post  Isos on Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:12 pm

    Putin aboard Ustinov. Are those containers carrying weapons ? It makes think about naval mines and they are near the rails for mines.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1215326389529972736

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:01 pm

    They look like canisters holding inflatable life-rafts.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:29 am

    Yeah, they are life rafts... standard on Russian and Soviet military vessels...

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    from here:

    https://www.marineinsight.com/marine-safety/life-raft-on-ships-a-general-overview/

    (scroll down the page for the above image...)
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:50 pm

    An FFG will get the 1st Zircon: https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5e26e6369a794779d2fc7f1b
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:58 am

    The green lines are the World's undersea cable network.

    The Pentagon has released a map showing areas of increased Russian and Chinese naval activities, as well as the locations of major undersea cables, around the world as part of its most recent budget request for the 2021 Fiscal Year. This is perhaps the most granular detail on these subjects that the U.S. government has provided to date after years of warning about the threats that these patrols, especially by Russian submarines, pose to American national interests. Just last week, we reported that a senior U.S. Navy officer stated that Russian submarine sorties had become such an issue that the service no longer treats the East Coast of the United States as "uncontested" and would no longer view it as a guaranteed "safe haven" in a crisis.

    The U.S. military released the annotated map in a 134-page overview report accompanying its 2021 Fiscal Year budget proposal. The graphic is part of a section describing new and emerging security concerns, especially with regards to so-called "great power competitors," such as the Russians and the Chinese. The Trump Administration does not appear to have included any similar map in the documentation that went along with its previous budget requests for the 2018, 2019, or 2020 Fiscal Years.




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