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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:55 pm

    GarryB wrote:....
    They will learn from what happened and improve...


    You'd think they would have learned and improved by now considering that this is like 50th time it happened?

    At this point they should be the world's foremost experts on ordinance safety lol1


    Mexican and Chinese fireworks factories definitely have infinitely superior safety record compared to Russian Military


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    Post  Regular on Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:29 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:....
    They will learn from what happened and improve...


    You'd think they would have learned and improved by now considering that this is like 50th time it happened?

    At this point they should be the world's foremost experts on ordinance safety lol1


    Mexican and Chinese fireworks factories definitely have infinitely superior safety record compared to Russian Military



    I doubt about Chinese as they have worse safety records in the world.

    It's all about money invested and due to cuts in mil spending we are seeing these results. Too much ammunition and not enough facilities/capability to store them in safe manner. It was never the case even in the late Soviet Union.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:12 pm

    Yeah, something like this could never happen in Germany. The Bundeswehr has no ammunition. Laughing
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    Post  franco on Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:58 pm

    One of the biggest problems is that the Russians kept everything they have made since or took from the Germans in WWII. They are in the process of building 15 super ammo depots to hold the assets of about 60+ old depots.

    New ammo depot facility at Mozdok (43.7393589,44.5273536), one of first six completed or under construction.

    New equipment repair & storage facility at Kamensk-Shakhtinsky (48.2731119,40.2627616), one of 15 planned replacing about 60-75 older facilities.

    New logistic support facility at Naro-Fominsk (55.3689582,36.704466), one of 24 planned to replace about 60-75 older facilities.

    Obviously a lot of old ammo and equipment are being destroyed. Interesting use of old WWII German weapons is that they are being melted down to help build the new Armed Forces Cathedral.
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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:56 pm

    franco wrote:One of the biggest problems is that the Russians kept everything they have made since or took from the Germans in WWII. They are in the process of building 15 super ammo depots to hold the assets of about 60+ old depots.

    New ammo depot facility at Mozdok (43.7393589,44.5273536), one of first six completed or under construction.

    New equipment repair & storage facility at Kamensk-Shakhtinsky (48.2731119,40.2627616), one of 15 planned replacing about 60-75 older facilities.

    New logistic support facility at Naro-Fominsk (55.3689582,36.704466), one of 24 planned to replace about 60-75 older facilities.

    Obviously a lot of old ammo and equipment are being destroyed. Interesting use of old WWII German weapons is that they are being melted down to help build the new Armed Forces Cathedral.  

    finally a response that make sense..
    But problem for me with Putin and Russian accidents is that happens in every area
    in every place. Not just the military ,but in modern shooping malls too..

    It have to be a cultural thing..from the soviet times.. that Russians are totally careless for security , and they do things without any care for security.
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    Post  franco on Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:37 am

    franco wrote:One of the biggest problems is that the Russians kept everything they have made since or took from the Germans in WWII. They are in the process of building 15 super ammo depots to hold the assets of about 60+ old depots.

    New ammo depot facility at Mozdok (43.7393589,44.5273536), one of first six completed or under construction.

    New equipment repair & storage facility at Kamensk-Shakhtinsky (48.2731119,40.2627616), one of 15 planned replacing about 60-75 older facilities.

    New logistic support facility at Naro-Fominsk (55.3689582,36.704466), one of 24 planned to replace about 60-75 older facilities.

    Obviously a lot of old ammo and equipment are being destroyed. Interesting use of old WWII German weapons is that they are being melted down to help build the new Armed Forces Cathedral.  

    In line with the above, one of the 25 new fuel depots under construction attached to major Air Force airbases (44.9613052,38.0116534).
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:47 am

    Vann7 wrote:...But problem for me with Putin and Russian accidents is that happens in every area
    in every place. Not just the military ,but in modern shooping malls too....


    I am sure that achieving LeaDeRsHiP in SpACe!!! will solve all the safety problems in Russian ordinance warehouses lol1

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:52 am

    Interesting use of old WWII German weapons is that they are being melted down to help build the new Armed Forces Cathedral.

    Actually I like that idea... at first I thought perhaps collectors might appreciate the opportunity to buy some of the rarer items, but then I thought collectors of Nazi gear can go screw themselves... much better to use it to make something good.

    But problem for me with Putin and Russian accidents is that happens in every area
    in every place. Not just the military ,but in modern shooping malls too..

    And it is all Putins fault because accidents don't happen by accident... it just has to be incompetence... and if someone drops something or slips or makes an error of judgement it is obviously Putins fault...

    It have to be a cultural thing..from the soviet times.. that Russians are totally careless for security , and they do things without any care for security.

    Yeah, they are so incompetent... that is why they lost WWII and speak german now.

    But the obvious question is that if they are all Gilligans and Frank Spencers, then why is the west so afraid of them?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:38 pm

    Well to be fair the average german soldier during WW2 was much more skilled than the average Russian.

    The German's had no oil and ability to pump out spare parts for tanks and vehicles at any decent rate. German soldiers would fight at Train Depo's for spare parts.

    Skill-wise in comparison yes the soviets where incompetent compared to the germans.

    What lost the Germans the war was fighting on two fronts and their shitty industrial base, if they could have fully committed onto the USSR and had the production base to back it up. Also Hitler's arrogance in not listening to his men oh and maybe arming Ukraine at the time who HATED the USSR. When the Germans first marched into Ukraine they were hailed as heroes and liberators.

    Hitlar could have used this to get millions of more needed manpower but instead, his ideals blinded him. Had he done all of this first, Germany would have defeated the USSR in a 1v1 fight easy.

    I don't blame Hitler for attacking, everyone knew sooner or later Stalin was going to attack Germany he was just trying to buy time until he felt his forces where ready. Was better to attack an unprepared foe then be attacked.

    Didn't help Germany all of their allies in WW2 where useless.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:41 pm

    New explosion in the nothern fleet. Nuclear element involved. Peak of radiation near Murmansk.

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    Two sources tell Lenta that the missile involved in the explosion may have been the hypersonic Tsirkon cruise missile tested from a mobile launcher. There is still no confirmation as to whether the explosion occurred on a ship or onshore. 8/



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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:20 am


    Zircon is not nuclear and neither is anything else in service currently

    If nuclear it could only be Buravestnik
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    Post  Isos on Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:31 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Zircon is not nuclear and neither is anything else in service currently

    If nuclear it could only be Buravestnik

    Could also be an ICBM that exploded during tests with the nuclear warhead spreading around in pieces.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:34 am

    For fucks sake Russia really......A Nuclear accident.

    This is a whole new level of incompetence now, conventionally weapons are one thing.

    But you can afford a single accident with Nuclear weapons. I need to talk to people now, see whats really going on. If it's Nuclear, I know Russia would be downplaying what's going on to the media and press.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:49 am

    Isos wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Zircon is not nuclear and neither is anything else in service currently

    If nuclear it could only be Buravestnik

    Could also be an ICBM that exploded during tests with the nuclear warhead spreading around in pieces.

    Only an idiot would put Warheads on a test missile, too many things could go wrong it is way too big of a risk. I am assuming Russia isn't that dam incompetent in this area.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:06 am

    Isos, stop adding in things.

    Contamination would be from the engine fluent since it's liquid fuel engine.

    No radiation.

    The slight increase in radiation was measured 30km away. Issue is, if it was a nuclear device failing, it would have higher levels of leakage.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:13 am

    https://southfront.org/2-dead-4-injured-by-rocket-explosion-in-russia-defense-ministry-says/
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:22 am

    The spike in radiation that was brief was within natural occurence levels.

    See this tweet thread
    https://twitter.com/KomissarWhipla/status/1159577224338714635?s=19

    So once again, people here react before actually getting straight info.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:30 am

    miketheterrible wrote:The spike in radiation that was brief was within natural occurence levels.

    See this tweet thread
    https://twitter.com/KomissarWhipla/status/1159577224338714635?s=19

    So once again, people here react before actually getting straight info.

    Eh sorry but if there is something going on they will downplay it.

    Back when Chernobyl happened the Russians also tried to play that off has a none issue, they have a history of this behavior in this area

    Not saying it's that level of bad but it's an example the Russians will not be upfront with whats going on if it's related to Nuclear.

    The fact something Nuclear happened alone is also a huge problem.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:31 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:The spike in radiation that was brief was within natural occurence levels.

    See this tweet thread
    https://twitter.com/KomissarWhipla/status/1159577224338714635?s=19

    So once again, people here react before actually getting straight info.

    Eh sorry but if there is something going on they will downplay it.

    Back when Chernobyl happened the Russians also tried to play that off has a none issue, they have a history of this behavior in this area

    Not saying it's that level of bad but it's an example the Russians will not be upfront with whats going on if it's related to Nuclear.

    The fact something Nuclear happened alone is also a huge problem.


    It's not downplaying it retard if civilian organizations are reporting it.

    https://twitter.com/krakek1/status/1159520108684951553?s=19
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:35 am

    https://twitter.com/n221bp/status/1159591183510855681?s=19

    But yes, keep telling yourself it's a Russian government cover up for a nuclear leak that lead to levels of radiation increase that are so low, it is levels seen naturally.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:42 am

    A twitter feed parroting government-issued statements isn't civilian organization. If your going to call me a retard take that Russian dong out your rear first.

    Civilian organizations lie, Also a NEET means someone who never if rarely leaves home.

    Is there a reactor leak no of course not, would Russia downplay an issue related to Nuclear with their history hellllll yeah they would. They control all the information that goes out. It's a fair thought to have considering their history.

    But hey ignore they had an accident of a nuclear-tipped weapon to the point it's causing a big fuss.

    Mostly likely the levels are has reported sure, but that doesn't brush everything else under the rug
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:43 am

    Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Whatever helps you sleep at night. While rest of us decide to live in reality.

    Enjoy the tinfoil hat.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:55 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Isos, stop adding in things.

    Contamination would be from the engine fluent since it's liquid fuel engine.

    No radiation.

    The slight increase in radiation was measured 30km away. Issue is, if it was a nuclear device failing, it would have higher levels of leakage.

    There was clearly something related to nuclear.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1159537364739469312
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:01 am

    Isos wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Isos, stop adding in things.

    Contamination would be from the engine fluent since it's liquid fuel engine.

    No radiation.

    The slight increase in radiation was measured 30km away. Issue is, if it was a nuclear device failing, it would have higher levels of leakage.

    There was clearly something related to nuclear.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1159537364739469312

    Those are civillians, not military.

    BTW, read my links I provided. It's numbers that were provided by the region of the supposed nuclear brief increase levels of radiation.

    The brief levels were so low, it was naturally there!

    Only theory was some leak after damage from a ship nearby that has nuclear waste onboard. That's one theory
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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:59 am

    miketheterrible wrote:The spike in radiation that was brief was within natural occurence levels.

    See this tweet thread
    https://twitter.com/KomissarWhipla/status/1159577224338714635?s=19

    So once again, people here react before actually getting straight info.

    All these "experts" in this thread are morons.    An explosion can result in re-emission of some mildly radioactive dust layer that
    will result in a blip on instruments set to near background ranges.    Another detail is that rocket engine component alloys could
    be mildly radioactive depending on where the ore was mined from.   If anyone thinks that metals are pure in manufacturing, then
    the are obviously ignorant.   Even gold bars held by central banks don't have 100% purity.  

    As you note, the moronic aspect here is to make something out of a trivial radiation spike that has simple explanations.   No
    Chernobyl tin foil hate BS needed.

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