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    Post  Firebird on Tue 12 Nov 2013, 09:53

    Compared to recent decades, thats a huge number of Russian ships for any location. PLus you can bet there are a fair number of subs lurking too.

    I wonder if this is more than "just" Syria. Perhaps it is a warning shot to Saudi Arabia (and anyone else)
    that they don't want any shit happening on Russian soil during Sochi.. or any other time.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue 12 Nov 2013, 11:11

    Good point Firebird... it is better to start showing some substance now than try to show it during the games...
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    Post  TR1 on Tue 12 Nov 2013, 11:17

    I am pretty sure there are no Russian subs in the area actually. They are all accounted for in the Pacific and North fleets, and the only BSF boat is Alrosa, which is safe at home at the moment.

    Situation will be more interesting (sub wise) when BSF is packed with 636s in the next half-decade.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu 20 Nov 2014, 08:50

    Peter the Great testing it's weapons in the Barents Sea after refurbishment (short video)

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201411200945-e94a.htm#
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    Post  runaway on Thu 27 Nov 2014, 08:44

    Looks like Peter and Nakhimov will be the only two Kirovs left in service:

    "The Russian Navy initially planned to return both Admiral Ushakov and Admiral Lazarev to service after several years of disuse. However, it was later indicated that the condition of the reactor cores of both ships was such that it would prove difficult, expensive and potentially dangerous to remove the spent nuclear fuel and repair the cores. As a consequence, it is likely that both ships will be scrapped"

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    Post  Firebird on Fri 28 Nov 2014, 09:53

    But by the same argument it would be "difficult and potentially dangerous" to scrap them.

    So I can't see how that prob means they have to be scrapped.
    Basically, they're kept in reserve and one person or another makes a comment one way or the other every few months. THis has been going on round about 10 yrs.

    I doubt the to-ing and fro-ing will change any time soon.
    Ultimately, scrapping doesn't bring any benefits. Nor are they at the top of the urgent list to return to the Fleet. Keeping them in reserve keeps all options open. And when the other 2 Kirovs are done, that is the time to consider refits.
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    Post  kvs on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 17:46

    http://barentsobserver.com/en/security/pyotr-velikys-sisters-sail-again

    The above from 2011 article seems to be the only accurate one on the subject of Kirov class cruisers.

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    The Admiral Lazarev was allegedly to be scrapped. Clearly not.
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    Post  TR1 on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 22:50

    Yeah, a coat of paint clearly means it will be kept.
    The pic isn't even new, I don't understand this sudden surge of "Wiki was wrong111!!".

    The ship is a goner, end of story. There is absolutely no official indication that there are any plans to modernize it . Even Sevmash has said it has no plans to modernize Frunze.
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    Post  Naval Fan on Tue 20 Jan 2015, 07:22

    TR1 wrote:Yeah, a coat of paint clearly means it will be kept.
    The pic isn't even new, I don't understand this sudden surge of "Wiki was wrong111!!".

    The ship is a goner, end of story. There is absolutely no official indication that there are any plans to modernize it . Even Sevmash has said it has no plans to modernize Frunze.

    I see only opportunity for a ship like this, and this is why.

    The Baltic/Black sea could use a ship like Frunze as Black sea lost most of its fleet to Ukraine after the fall of the USSR. They have the new Gorshkov frigates being sent there, but as they are the main Ukraine force, Frunze would make the Black Sea fleet a threat to the NATO bordering countries. She would be the only cruiser in the Baltic fleet, which would add termendous firepower to them.

    IMHO i dont think the Frunze would be getting scrapped, as Russia could use it to full some holes from the fall of the USSR.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue 20 Jan 2015, 10:34

    It would be a whale in a swimming pool to keep her in the Black Sea... but for operations in the Med and through the Suez Canal to the Indian ocean would be very good.

    They really have two main fleets... Northern and Pacific, so assuming two Kirovs and a total of three Slava class vessels, I would think that to upgrade all three Slavas and both viable Kirovs that you would end up with a Kirov class in the Northern and Pacific Fleets, plus a Slava in each fleet and perhaps a Slava in the Black Sea. Adding another Kirov would make sense to the Black Sea for operations in the Med and further afield...

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    Post  Naval Fan on Wed 21 Jan 2015, 07:09

    GarryB wrote:It would be a whale in a swimming pool to keep her in the Black Sea... but for operations in the Med and through the Suez Canal to the Indian ocean would be very good.

    They really have two main fleets... Northern and Pacific, so assuming two Kirovs and a total of three Slava class vessels, I would think that to upgrade all three Slavas and both viable Kirovs that you would end up with a Kirov class in the Northern and Pacific Fleets, plus a Slava in each fleet and perhaps a Slava in the Black Sea. Adding another Kirov would make sense to the Black Sea for operations in the Med and further afield...


    If they were to upgrade a Slava class, what would they be adding to it?
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    Post  TR1 on Wed 21 Jan 2015, 07:32

    Naval Fan wrote:
    GarryB wrote:It would be a whale in a swimming pool to keep her in the Black Sea... but for operations in the Med and through the Suez Canal to the Indian ocean would be very good.

    They really have two main fleets... Northern and Pacific, so assuming two Kirovs and a total of three Slava class vessels, I would think that to upgrade all three Slavas and both viable Kirovs that you would end up with a Kirov class in the Northern and Pacific Fleets, plus a Slava in each fleet and perhaps a Slava in the Black Sea. Adding another Kirov would make sense to the Black Sea for operations in the Med and further afield...


    If they were to upgrade a Slava class, what would they be adding to it?

    They are currently, but is a small modernization. Originally it was not expected that the ship would receive any major new systems, so this is a pleasant surprise. Ustinov received Podberezovik radar already, and who knows, might even get Fort-M.


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    Post  Kimppis on Wed 21 Jan 2015, 23:43

    TR1 wrote:
    Naval Fan wrote:
    GarryB wrote:It would be a whale in a swimming pool to keep her in the Black Sea... but for operations in the Med and through the Suez Canal to the Indian ocean would be very good.

    They really have two main fleets... Northern and Pacific, so assuming two Kirovs and a total of three Slava class vessels, I would think that to upgrade all three Slavas and both viable Kirovs that you would end up with a Kirov class in the Northern and Pacific Fleets, plus a Slava in each fleet and perhaps a Slava in the Black Sea. Adding another Kirov would make sense to the Black Sea for operations in the Med and further afield...


    If they were to upgrade a Slava class, what would they be adding to it?

    They are currently, but is a small modernization. Originally it was not expected that the ship would receive any major new systems, so this is a pleasant surprise. Ustinov received Podberezovik radar already, and who knows, might even get Fort-M.



    They are going to modernize all 3 by 2020?
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    Post  TR1 on Thu 22 Jan 2015, 00:31

    Kimppis wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Naval Fan wrote:
    GarryB wrote:It would be a whale in a swimming pool to keep her in the Black Sea... but for operations in the Med and through the Suez Canal to the Indian ocean would be very good.

    They really have two main fleets... Northern and Pacific, so assuming two Kirovs and a total of three Slava class vessels, I would think that to upgrade all three Slavas and both viable Kirovs that you would end up with a Kirov class in the Northern and Pacific Fleets, plus a Slava in each fleet and perhaps a Slava in the Black Sea. Adding another Kirov would make sense to the Black Sea for operations in the Med and further afield...


    If they were to upgrade a Slava class, what would they be adding to it?

    They are currently, but is a small modernization. Originally it was not expected that the ship would receive any major new systems, so this is a pleasant surprise. Ustinov received Podberezovik radar already, and who knows, might even get Fort-M.



    They are going to modernize all 3 by 2020?

    Hell naw.

    Moskva is up next, will start work either this year or the next @ the 13th repair yard in Sevastopol. Hopefully will be back in fleet service by 2020.
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    Post  Viktor on Tue 27 Jan 2015, 21:51

    Decision on Lazarov still pending - Peter the Great will go through another deep modernization thumbsup

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    Post  GarryB on Wed 28 Jan 2015, 08:43

    I would expect any decisions on a deep upgrade of Lazarev will depend on how the other upgrades go and what the Navy thinks of them...

    Good to see the deep upgrade being mentioned... little or no upgrade means they will be exceptions in the fleet.... needing old non standard weapons and systems and equipment.... which would be a pain in the backside operationally and logistically.
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed 28 Jan 2015, 10:19

    TR1 wrote:
    Hell naw.

    Moskva is up next, will start work either this year or the next @ the 13th repair yard in Sevastopol. Hopefully will be back in fleet service by 2020.

    SO we might see mightier 30N6 in place of Volna..Good news.
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    Post  TR1 on Wed 28 Jan 2015, 18:42

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Hell naw.

    Moskva is up next, will start work either this year or the next @ the 13th repair yard in Sevastopol. Hopefully will be back in fleet service by 2020.

    SO we might see mightier 30N6 in place of Volna..Good news.

    Have not seen it yet on Ustinov though, so the prospects are not great IMO.
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    Post  George1 on Fri 30 Jan 2015, 13:38

    Nuclear cruiser "Peter the Great" will get new missiles
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Fri 30 Jan 2015, 15:11

    George1 wrote:Nuclear cruiser "Peter the Great" will get new missiles

    So it happens.. "Onixification" of Kirov. Well It'll be massive i guess given that to exploit space in Peter the Great..Those Granit launchers would be gone.
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    Post  TR1 on Fri 30 Jan 2015, 19:14

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    George1 wrote:Nuclear cruiser "Peter the Great" will get new missiles

    So it happens.. "Onixification" of Kirov. Well It'll be massive i guess given that to exploit space in Peter the Great..Those Granit launchers would be gone.

    Kalibrification is more significant here than Onixification IMO.
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Fri 30 Jan 2015, 22:05

    TR1 wrote:

    Kalibrification is more significant here than Onixification IMO.

    hmm Kalibr. Anyway did Russians adopt the supersonic Kalibr ? The one with supersonic kill vehicle and subsonic cruise stage (3M54)

    It appears to be more promising than "all supersonic" Oniks.
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    Post  TR1 on Fri 30 Jan 2015, 22:16

    Yes, but that is only anti ship.

    The biggest leap here (IMO) is the very long range land attack Kalibr. This is a huge capability leap that was previously non-existent on 1144s, as well as the Russian navy as a whole (nuclear Granat aside).

    With 10 UKSK modules, the Russian Navy can actually project power in the form of cruise missiles strikes now.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat 31 Jan 2015, 10:21

    And just as important.... every Russian port will stock ammo for the UKSK launchers... whether it is anti sub, anti ship, or land attack, so when a Kirov class ship arrives in the Baltic it has the same launch tubes as the corvette at the pier next to it... it just has ten times more.

    Obviously that corvette will hardly ever carry land attack cruise missiles in its tubes, more often anti sub and anti ship missiles... but the option is there.
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Sun 01 Feb 2015, 18:00

    it's kinda pain though to see Granit disappear Sad

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