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    Re: [Official] 'Peter The Great' News Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:28 am

    Why would it be the only nuclear-powered cruiser?
    Peter the Great isn't going anywhere.

    I think he is referring to the fact that they will likely replace the old reactor combined with boilers to super heat steam to drive the gas turbine propulsion with newer more powerful nuclear reactors developed for new carriers that should greatly improve performance with a far more compact design.

    Until Peter the Great goes through a similar upgrade it will be the only nuclear only powered Russian cruiser.

    Just focussing on the armament:

    Main weapons strike: 20 P-700 Granit supersonic long range anti ship missiles

    Air defence: Long range: S-300F launchers with 96 missiles (Peter the great has S-300FM)
                      Short range: 2 x Osa-MA launchers with about 20 missiles each replaced with TOR
                                        
    Anti Sub: SS-N-14 with anti sub and anti ship capability.
                   RBU rocket launchers firing anti sub rockets, anti diver rockets and anti torpedo rockets replaced with SS-N-15.
                   10 x 21 inch torpedo/missile tubes able to launch torpedoes or SS-N-15 ASW missiles (later replaced the SS-N-14).

    Gun armament: 2 single barrel 100mm gun turrets replaced by two twin 130mm gun                  turrets.
                            8 x 30mm gatling mounts later with Kashtan added.

    Likely upgrades will replace the SS-N-15, SS-N-14, and SS-N-19 with UKSK launch bins for a likely total of about 80 missiles. The SAMs will likely have the Rif and Rif-M replaced with Redut, TOR replaced with upgraded TOR, 30mm gatling guns replaced with Duet turrets and Kashtan replaced with Pantsir-S1. RBU rockets will likely be replaced with PAKET, and the main gun armament will likely be twin barrel 152mm Koaltion guns or possibly bigger guns of 203mm calibre.

    New electronics and a revision of the radar suite fitted and it should be a very capable ship.


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    Re: [Official] 'Peter The Great' News Thread:

    Post  runaway on Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:06 am

    "MOSCOW, November 11 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Northern Fleet's nuclear-powered missile cruiser Pyotr Veliky was assigned on Monday to lead the country’s permanent naval task force in the Mediterranean.

    “The Pyotr Veliky nuclear-powered missile cruiser has joined warships in Russia’s task force in the eastern Mediterranean and is now leading the group,” the Northern Fleet’s spokesman, Capt. 1st Rank Vadim Serga, told reporters.

    According to the official, the headquarters of the operational command of the task force, which includes warships from all four Russian fleets, was transferred to the Pyotr Veliky from the Black Sea Fleet’s Moskva missile cruiser on Sunday."

    Now thats some heavy firepower of syria.

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    Post  Firebird on Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:53 am

    Compared to recent decades, thats a huge number of Russian ships for any location. PLus you can bet there are a fair number of subs lurking too.

    I wonder if this is more than "just" Syria. Perhaps it is a warning shot to Saudi Arabia (and anyone else)
    that they don't want any shit happening on Russian soil during Sochi.. or any other time.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:11 am

    Good point Firebird... it is better to start showing some substance now than try to show it during the games...


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    Post  TR1 on Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:17 am

    I am pretty sure there are no Russian subs in the area actually. They are all accounted for in the Pacific and North fleets, and the only BSF boat is Alrosa, which is safe at home at the moment.

    Situation will be more interesting (sub wise) when BSF is packed with 636s in the next half-decade.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:50 am

    Peter the Great testing it's weapons in the Barents Sea after refurbishment (short video)

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201411200945-e94a.htm#

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    Re: [Official] 'Peter The Great' News Thread:

    Post  runaway on Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:44 am

    Looks like Peter and Nakhimov will be the only two Kirovs left in service:

    "The Russian Navy initially planned to return both Admiral Ushakov and Admiral Lazarev to service after several years of disuse. However, it was later indicated that the condition of the reactor cores of both ships was such that it would prove difficult, expensive and potentially dangerous to remove the spent nuclear fuel and repair the cores. As a consequence, it is likely that both ships will be scrapped"


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    Post  Firebird on Fri Nov 28, 2014 9:53 am

    But by the same argument it would be "difficult and potentially dangerous" to scrap them.

    So I can't see how that prob means they have to be scrapped.
    Basically, they're kept in reserve and one person or another makes a comment one way or the other every few months. THis has been going on round about 10 yrs.

    I doubt the to-ing and fro-ing will change any time soon.
    Ultimately, scrapping doesn't bring any benefits. Nor are they at the top of the urgent list to return to the Fleet. Keeping them in reserve keeps all options open. And when the other 2 Kirovs are done, that is the time to consider refits.

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    Post  kvs on Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:46 pm

    http://barentsobserver.com/en/security/pyotr-velikys-sisters-sail-again

    The above from 2011 article seems to be the only accurate one on the subject of Kirov class cruisers.



    The Admiral Lazarev was allegedly to be scrapped. Clearly not.

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    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:50 pm

    Yeah, a coat of paint clearly means it will be kept.
    The pic isn't even new, I don't understand this sudden surge of "Wiki was wrong111!!".

    The ship is a goner, end of story. There is absolutely no official indication that there are any plans to modernize it . Even Sevmash has said it has no plans to modernize Frunze.

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    Post  Naval Fan on Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:22 am

    TR1 wrote:Yeah, a coat of paint clearly means it will be kept.
    The pic isn't even new, I don't understand this sudden surge of "Wiki was wrong111!!".

    The ship is a goner, end of story. There is absolutely no official indication that there are any plans to modernize it . Even Sevmash has said it has no plans to modernize Frunze.

    I see only opportunity for a ship like this, and this is why.

    The Baltic/Black sea could use a ship like Frunze as Black sea lost most of its fleet to Ukraine after the fall of the USSR. They have the new Gorshkov frigates being sent there, but as they are the main Ukraine force, Frunze would make the Black Sea fleet a threat to the NATO bordering countries. She would be the only cruiser in the Baltic fleet, which would add termendous firepower to them.

    IMHO i dont think the Frunze would be getting scrapped, as Russia could use it to full some holes from the fall of the USSR.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:34 am

    It would be a whale in a swimming pool to keep her in the Black Sea... but for operations in the Med and through the Suez Canal to the Indian ocean would be very good.

    They really have two main fleets... Northern and Pacific, so assuming two Kirovs and a total of three Slava class vessels, I would think that to upgrade all three Slavas and both viable Kirovs that you would end up with a Kirov class in the Northern and Pacific Fleets, plus a Slava in each fleet and perhaps a Slava in the Black Sea. Adding another Kirov would make sense to the Black Sea for operations in the Med and further afield...



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    Re: [Official] 'Peter The Great' News Thread:

    Post  Naval Fan on Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:09 am

    GarryB wrote:It would be a whale in a swimming pool to keep her in the Black Sea... but for operations in the Med and through the Suez Canal to the Indian ocean would be very good.

    They really have two main fleets... Northern and Pacific, so assuming two Kirovs and a total of three Slava class vessels, I would think that to upgrade all three Slavas and both viable Kirovs that you would end up with a Kirov class in the Northern and Pacific Fleets, plus a Slava in each fleet and perhaps a Slava in the Black Sea. Adding another Kirov would make sense to the Black Sea for operations in the Med and further afield...


    If they were to upgrade a Slava class, what would they be adding to it?

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    Post  TR1 on Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:32 am

    Naval Fan wrote:
    GarryB wrote:It would be a whale in a swimming pool to keep her in the Black Sea... but for operations in the Med and through the Suez Canal to the Indian ocean would be very good.

    They really have two main fleets... Northern and Pacific, so assuming two Kirovs and a total of three Slava class vessels, I would think that to upgrade all three Slavas and both viable Kirovs that you would end up with a Kirov class in the Northern and Pacific Fleets, plus a Slava in each fleet and perhaps a Slava in the Black Sea. Adding another Kirov would make sense to the Black Sea for operations in the Med and further afield...


    If they were to upgrade a Slava class, what would they be adding to it?

    They are currently, but is a small modernization. Originally it was not expected that the ship would receive any major new systems, so this is a pleasant surprise. Ustinov received Podberezovik radar already, and who knows, might even get Fort-M.



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    Post  Kimppis on Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:43 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Naval Fan wrote:
    GarryB wrote:It would be a whale in a swimming pool to keep her in the Black Sea... but for operations in the Med and through the Suez Canal to the Indian ocean would be very good.

    They really have two main fleets... Northern and Pacific, so assuming two Kirovs and a total of three Slava class vessels, I would think that to upgrade all three Slavas and both viable Kirovs that you would end up with a Kirov class in the Northern and Pacific Fleets, plus a Slava in each fleet and perhaps a Slava in the Black Sea. Adding another Kirov would make sense to the Black Sea for operations in the Med and further afield...


    If they were to upgrade a Slava class, what would they be adding to it?

    They are currently, but is a small modernization. Originally it was not expected that the ship would receive any major new systems, so this is a pleasant surprise. Ustinov received Podberezovik radar already, and who knows, might even get Fort-M.



    They are going to modernize all 3 by 2020?

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    Post  TR1 on Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:31 am

    Kimppis wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Naval Fan wrote:
    GarryB wrote:It would be a whale in a swimming pool to keep her in the Black Sea... but for operations in the Med and through the Suez Canal to the Indian ocean would be very good.

    They really have two main fleets... Northern and Pacific, so assuming two Kirovs and a total of three Slava class vessels, I would think that to upgrade all three Slavas and both viable Kirovs that you would end up with a Kirov class in the Northern and Pacific Fleets, plus a Slava in each fleet and perhaps a Slava in the Black Sea. Adding another Kirov would make sense to the Black Sea for operations in the Med and further afield...


    If they were to upgrade a Slava class, what would they be adding to it?

    They are currently, but is a small modernization. Originally it was not expected that the ship would receive any major new systems, so this is a pleasant surprise. Ustinov received Podberezovik radar already, and who knows, might even get Fort-M.



    They are going to modernize all 3 by 2020?

    Hell naw.

    Moskva is up next, will start work either this year or the next @ the 13th repair yard in Sevastopol. Hopefully will be back in fleet service by 2020.

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    Post  Viktor on Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:51 pm

    Decision on Lazarov still pending - Peter the Great will go through another deep modernization thumbsup

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:43 am

    I would expect any decisions on a deep upgrade of Lazarev will depend on how the other upgrades go and what the Navy thinks of them...

    Good to see the deep upgrade being mentioned... little or no upgrade means they will be exceptions in the fleet.... needing old non standard weapons and systems and equipment.... which would be a pain in the backside operationally and logistically.


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    Re: [Official] 'Peter The Great' News Thread:

    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:19 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Hell naw.

    Moskva is up next, will start work either this year or the next @ the 13th repair yard in Sevastopol. Hopefully will be back in fleet service by 2020.

    SO we might see mightier 30N6 in place of Volna..Good news.

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    Post  TR1 on Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:42 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Hell naw.

    Moskva is up next, will start work either this year or the next @ the 13th repair yard in Sevastopol. Hopefully will be back in fleet service by 2020.

    SO we might see mightier 30N6 in place of Volna..Good news.

    Have not seen it yet on Ustinov though, so the prospects are not great IMO.

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    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:38 pm

    Nuclear cruiser "Peter the Great" will get new missiles

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    Post  Stealthflanker on Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:11 pm

    George1 wrote:Nuclear cruiser "Peter the Great" will get new missiles

    So it happens.. "Onixification" of Kirov. Well It'll be massive i guess given that to exploit space in Peter the Great..Those Granit launchers would be gone.

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    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:14 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    George1 wrote:Nuclear cruiser "Peter the Great" will get new missiles

    So it happens.. "Onixification" of Kirov. Well It'll be massive i guess given that to exploit space in Peter the Great..Those Granit launchers would be gone.

    Kalibrification is more significant here than Onixification IMO.

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    Post  Stealthflanker on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:05 pm

    TR1 wrote:

    Kalibrification is more significant here than Onixification IMO.

    hmm Kalibr. Anyway did Russians adopt the supersonic Kalibr ? The one with supersonic kill vehicle and subsonic cruise stage (3M54)

    It appears to be more promising than "all supersonic" Oniks.

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    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:16 pm

    Yes, but that is only anti ship.

    The biggest leap here (IMO) is the very long range land attack Kalibr. This is a huge capability leap that was previously non-existent on 1144s, as well as the Russian navy as a whole (nuclear Granat aside).

    With 10 UKSK modules, the Russian Navy can actually project power in the form of cruise missiles strikes now.

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