[Official] 'Peter The Great' News Thread:

Just scheduled dock visit, no modernization.

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/55/81237179.b4/0_761fe_e77eb6a1_orig

Great photo of Peter the Great.

BTW as this is a thread about Peter the Great, I just remembered there were actually 5 hulls laid down... one ended up being fitted out as a huge spy ship. With one vessel scrapped perhaps they could use the four remaining hulls to upgrade?

Of course it makes sense to upgrade 2 and see how effective/efficient/useful they are and then perhaps decide on the other two.

"Shlemov added that decision on modernization of nuclear-powered missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov (Project 11442 Orlan) would be made in Sept; RUR 5 bln was appropriated for that purpose in this year.

"State defense order provides 5 billion rubles for that purpose. But to open this project, we have to sign appropriate documents", Shlemov said.

As for him, so far it has not been decided whether to upgrade the cruiser. "This project was put into Defense Order 2012, the decision is to be made in September", said the official. "

So now we will finally se, perhaps.
Russian navy needs modernized capital ships, since building new cruisers is far away i put my money on a green light.
At the same time, Kutsnetsov is due to be modernized, and also Peter the great should soon be rebuilt to accomendate USUK. Perhaps the Nakhimov
will be first, and the other Orlans will follow.

Northern Fleet (NF) nuclear-powered cruiser Petr Veliky left Severomorsk setting course for the White and the Kara seas, reported Western Military District Press Service.

The cruiser's crew headed by Capt 1 Rank Vladislav Malakhovsky will head for subarctic regions of the Northern Sea Route to perform a number of scheduled combat training tasks.

The deployment of Petr Veliky will be carried out under national doctrine which implies resuming of regular presence of Russian warships in key regions worldwide. Petr Veliky is the only in-service nuclear-powered cruiser of third-generation Project 1144 Orlan. She was laid down at Baltiysky Zavod shipyard on Aug 25, 1986 and launched on Apr 25, 1989. The cruiser effectively passed sea trials in 1996 and performed interfleet cruise from Baltiysk to Northern Fleet (NF) main base Severomorsk. Russian naval ensign, St. Andrew's flag was hoisted on the ship on Apr 18, 1998.

Petr Veliky was declared the best Northern Fleet ship in 2000, 2002, and 2003. The ship won the Navy Commander's Prize for missile firing in 1999, 2000, and 2004. The cruiser was deployed in 2003, 2005, 2008-2009, 2010, and took part in the presidential exercises of 1999, 2000, 2003, 2004, and 2010.

In 2008-2009, cruiser Petr Veliky was on mission for almost 6 months which was the longest surface deployment in Russian Navy's contemporary history. Through that period, the cruise passed three oceans, performed two transatlantic cruises, sailed in the Mediterranean, the Red, the Arabian, the Caribbean, and other seas, reports Western Military District Press Service.

http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=15892

Media: Cruiser Petr Veliky Becomes Russia's Missile Defense Component

Flagship of Northern Fleet (NF), nuclear-powered missile cruiser Petr Veliky has become an element of Russian maritime missile defense being currently shaped, an insider in defense ministry told Izvestiya.

"During the deployment to Arctic zones of the Northern Sea Route, Petr Veliky held tests of missile defense elements as maritime segment of Russian integrated missile defense system in cooperation with recently founded Aerospace Defense Force", the source said.

He emphasized that the deployment of the NF flagship was held under Russian Maritime Doctrine which provides resuming of regular presence of Russian naval ships in key regions worldwide. Numerous training tasks are being carried out during the deployment, e.g. rescue operations, ice reconnaissance, etc.

"Fr om the viewpoint of missile defense, current tactical exercise in the Arctic is very important, since that is wh ere main trajectories of American land-based ballistic missiles go", he stressed.

Air/missile defense capability of nuclear-powered cruiser Petr Veliky is provided by mid-range (200 km) SAM systems S-300F Fort (48 missiles) and S-300FM Fort-M (46 missiles). To engage air targets in close-in zone, the cruiser has 16 launchers of Kinzhal SAM system (128 missiles) and 6 antiaircraft gun/missile systems Kortik.

Naval arms expert and chief editor of the Arms Export magazine Andrei Frolov pointed out that Petr Veliky was used as a missile defense element because Russia had not other ships suitable for such missions, writes Izvestiya.

"In Russian Navy, cruiser Petr Veliky is the most appropriate ship for ballistic missile interception. But generally, a nuclear-powered missile cruiser is too much for such purposes", said the expert. Besides, Andrei Frolov pointed out that defense ministry's decision to upgrade similar cruiser Admiral Nakhimov was also connected with sea-based missile defense strategy. Moreover, capital repair of missile cruiser Admiral Lazarev is also possible, added the expert.

"Indeed, recommission of those multipurpose nuclear-powered ships will definitely increase Russia's missile defense capabilities. However, if the government and defense ministry want to have really effective sea-based missile defense, it is necessary to build new ships, and the most suitable asset for that function is a destroyer-class ship which project is only under development now", Frolov said.

Project 1144 Orlan nuclear-powered missile cruiser Petr Veliky was developed by Severnoye Design Bureau. The ship was commissioned into Russian Navy in 1998. Full displacement is 25,860 tons, life-support endurance is 60 days, complement is 635 men, full speed is 32 knots (60 kph).

Except for air/missile defenses, armament of the cruiser includes 20 antiship missiles P-700 Granit, automatic gun mount AK-130, and antisubmarine rocket torpedo system RPK-6M Vodopad. The ship accommodates two ASW helicopters Ka-27. All-weather three-dimensional search radars Fregat-MAE are capable to detect targets at altitudes up to 30 km and ranges over 300 km.

According to Vzglyad, last Thursday at 9 am the cruiser's helicopter Ka-27 landed 9-men marine unit on the Kotelny Island, and then the radio contact was lost. It was reported later that the helicopter performed distress landing on the Kotelny Island in the Laptev Sea.

Possible reasons of that rough landing were reported as well.

http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=15988

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/40475/

This is cool. Peter the Great journeyed through arctic ice accompanied by 4 (!!!) nuclear icebreakers.

TR1 wrote:http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/40475/

This is cool. Peter the Great journeyed through arctic ice accompanied by 4 (!!!) nuclear icebreakers.

Sounds expensive.
Why not just 1 icebreaker?

Was multiple ships, not just Peter the Great. I guess they wanted to use essentially the entire nuclear fleet in a coordinated exercise.

Shouldn't be too expensive to run, and they didn't have to fight any real thick ice, so no hull wearing.

"MOSCOW, November 11 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Northern Fleet's nuclear-powered missile cruiser Pyotr Veliky was assigned on Monday to lead the country’s permanent naval task force in the Mediterranean.

“The Pyotr Veliky nuclear-powered missile cruiser has joined warships in Russia’s task force in the eastern Mediterranean and is now leading the group,” the Northern Fleet’s spokesman, Capt. 1st Rank Vadim Serga, told reporters.

According to the official, the headquarters of the operational command of the task force, which includes warships from all four Russian fleets, was transferred to the Pyotr Veliky from the Black Sea Fleet’s Moskva missile cruiser on Sunday."

Now thats some heavy firepower of syria.

Good point Firebird... it is better to start showing some substance now than try to show it during the games...

I am pretty sure there are no Russian subs in the area actually. They are all accounted for in the Pacific and North fleets, and the only BSF boat is Alrosa, which is safe at home at the moment.

Situation will be more interesting (sub wise) when BSF is packed with 636s in the next half-decade.

Peter the Great testing it's weapons in the Barents Sea after refurbishment (short video)

http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201411200945-e94a.htm#

Looks like Peter and Nakhimov will be the only two Kirovs left in service:

"The Russian Navy initially planned to return both Admiral Ushakov and Admiral Lazarev to service after several years of disuse. However, it was later indicated that the condition of the reactor cores of both ships was such that it would prove difficult, expensive and potentially dangerous to remove the spent nuclear fuel and repair the cores. As a consequence, it is likely that both ships will be scrapped"

http://barentsobserver.com/en/security/pyotr-velikys-sisters-sail-again

The above from 2011 article seems to be the only accurate one on the subject of Kirov class cruisers.



The Admiral Lazarev was allegedly to be scrapped. Clearly not.

Yeah, a coat of paint clearly means it will be kept.
The pic isn't even new, I don't understand this sudden surge of "Wiki was wrong111!!".

The ship is a goner, end of story. There is absolutely no official indication that there are any plans to modernize it . Even Sevmash has said it has no plans to modernize Frunze.

TR1 wrote:Yeah, a coat of paint clearly means it will be kept.
The pic isn't even new, I don't understand this sudden surge of "Wiki was wrong111!!".

The ship is a goner, end of story. There is absolutely no official indication that there are any plans to modernize it . Even Sevmash has said it has no plans to modernize Frunze.

I see only opportunity for a ship like this, and this is why.

The Baltic/Black sea could use a ship like Frunze as Black sea lost most of its fleet to Ukraine after the fall of the USSR. They have the new Gorshkov frigates being sent there, but as they are the main Ukraine force, Frunze would make the Black Sea fleet a threat to the NATO bordering countries. She would be the only cruiser in the Baltic fleet, which would add termendous firepower to them.

IMHO i dont think the Frunze would be getting scrapped, as Russia could use it to full some holes from the fall of the USSR.

It would be a whale in a swimming pool to keep her in the Black Sea... but for operations in the Med and through the Suez Canal to the Indian ocean would be very good.

They really have two main fleets... Northern and Pacific, so assuming two Kirovs and a total of three Slava class vessels, I would think that to upgrade all three Slavas and both viable Kirovs that you would end up with a Kirov class in the Northern and Pacific Fleets, plus a Slava in each fleet and perhaps a Slava in the Black Sea. Adding another Kirov would make sense to the Black Sea for operations in the Med and further afield...

GarryB wrote:It would be a whale in a swimming pool to keep her in the Black Sea... but for operations in the Med and through the Suez Canal to the Indian ocean would be very good.

They really have two main fleets... Northern and Pacific, so assuming two Kirovs and a total of three Slava class vessels, I would think that to upgrade all three Slavas and both viable Kirovs that you would end up with a Kirov class in the Northern and Pacific Fleets, plus a Slava in each fleet and perhaps a Slava in the Black Sea. Adding another Kirov would make sense to the Black Sea for operations in the Med and further afield...

If they were to upgrade a Slava class, what would they be adding to it?

Naval Fan wrote:

GarryB wrote:It would be a whale in a swimming pool to keep her in the Black Sea... but for operations in the Med and through the Suez Canal to the Indian ocean would be very good.

They really have two main fleets... Northern and Pacific, so assuming two Kirovs and a total of three Slava class vessels, I would think that to upgrade all three Slavas and both viable Kirovs that you would end up with a Kirov class in the Northern and Pacific Fleets, plus a Slava in each fleet and perhaps a Slava in the Black Sea. Adding another Kirov would make sense to the Black Sea for operations in the Med and further afield...

If they were to upgrade a Slava class, what would they be adding to it?

They are currently, but is a small modernization. Originally it was not expected that the ship would receive any major new systems, so this is a pleasant surprise. Ustinov received Podberezovik radar already, and who knows, might even get Fort-M.

TR1 wrote:

Naval Fan wrote:

GarryB wrote:It would be a whale in a swimming pool to keep her in the Black Sea... but for operations in the Med and through the Suez Canal to the Indian ocean would be very good.

They really have two main fleets... Northern and Pacific, so assuming two Kirovs and a total of three Slava class vessels, I would think that to upgrade all three Slavas and both viable Kirovs that you would end up with a Kirov class in the Northern and Pacific Fleets, plus a Slava in each fleet and perhaps a Slava in the Black Sea. Adding another Kirov would make sense to the Black Sea for operations in the Med and further afield...

If they were to upgrade a Slava class, what would they be adding to it?

They are currently, but is a small modernization. Originally it was not expected that the ship would receive any major new systems, so this is a pleasant surprise. Ustinov received Podberezovik radar already, and who knows, might even get Fort-M.

They are going to modernize all 3 by 2020?

Kimppis wrote:

TR1 wrote:

Naval Fan wrote:

GarryB wrote:It would be a whale in a swimming pool to keep her in the Black Sea... but for operations in the Med and through the Suez Canal to the Indian ocean would be very good.

They really have two main fleets... Northern and Pacific, so assuming two Kirovs and a total of three Slava class vessels, I would think that to upgrade all three Slavas and both viable Kirovs that you would end up with a Kirov class in the Northern and Pacific Fleets, plus a Slava in each fleet and perhaps a Slava in the Black Sea. Adding another Kirov would make sense to the Black Sea for operations in the Med and further afield...

If they were to upgrade a Slava class, what would they be adding to it?

They are currently, but is a small modernization. Originally it was not expected that the ship would receive any major new systems, so this is a pleasant surprise. Ustinov received Podberezovik radar already, and who knows, might even get Fort-M.

They are going to modernize all 3 by 2020?

Hell naw.

Moskva is up next, will start work either this year or the next @ the 13th repair yard in Sevastopol. Hopefully will be back in fleet service by 2020.

Decision on Lazarov still pending - Peter the Great will go through another deep modernization

The military told about the future of nuclear cruisers of "Orlan"