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    Post  medo on Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:05 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Russia and Iran build powerful alliance countering USA and Saudi Arabia

    That's why Putin offered yesterday the S-400 to saudi arabia ?

    Putin was just putting some salt on the wound. I wonder for who this offer was more painful. For US or for Saudis?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:15 pm

    medo wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Russia and Iran build powerful alliance countering USA and Saudi Arabia

    That's why Putin offered yesterday the S-400 to saudi arabia ?

    Putin was just putting some salt on the wound. I wonder for who this offer was more painful. For US or for Saudis?

    I think this finally settles the anti-Pantsir propaganda. The SaudiMight's fared worse against drones than the SAA.
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:35 pm




    Reuters Wednesday, 18 September 2019
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    Iran dismissed US accusations over weekend attacks of Saudi Arabia’s oil sites as a distraction from the realities in the Middle East, Iran’s Students News Agency ISNA quoted Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif as saying on Wednesday.

    “The US should seek to look at the realities in the region, rather than simply using distractions. We feel that the US government is trying to somehow forget the realities in the region,” Zarif said.

    Tehran has denied involvement in the Sept. 14 attacks on oil plants, including the world’s biggest crude processing facility, that initially knocked out half of Saudi production.




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    Iran's retaliation to any military attack will not be "limited to its source," Tehran said in an official note to Washington, Iran's semi-official ISNA news agency reported on Wednesday.

    "In an official note to the United States via Swiss embassy, Iran has reiterated that it was not behind attacks on Saudi Arabia's oil facilities and it has warned that any move by America against Iran will get immediate reaction," ISNA reported.



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    Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said on Wednesday that “Yemenis” attacked Saudi Aramco oil facilities as a “warning,” Iranian news agencies reported.

    Rouhani says the Iran-backed Houthis had attacked Saudi oil facilities at the weekend as a “warning”, in response to the Arab Coalition's activities in Yemen. Rouhani blamed the Arab Coalition for the start of the conflict in the region, according to Iranian news agencies, and added that US accusations that Iran was behind an attack on Saudi oil sites were aimed at increasing pressure on Tehran.

    “We don't want conflict in the region ... Who started the conflict? Not the Yemenis. It was Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, America, certain European countries and the Zionist regime (Israel) which started the war in this region,” Rouhani said in a video carried by Iranian media.

    "While exerting psychological and economic pressure on the Iranian people (through sanctions), they want to impose maximum ... pressure on Iran through slander," Rouhani added. "Meanwhile, no one believes these accusations."

    Iran's defense minister Brig. Gen. Amir Hatami added to Rouhani's comments and denied that Tehran had any role in the attacks on Saudi Aramco's oil installations, the semi-official Tasnim news agency said on Wednesday.

    "Rejecting comments about Iran's role in the operation, [Hatami] said the issue is very clear: There has been a conflict between two countries [Yemen and Saudi Arabia]," Tasnim said.

    Multiple reports have quoted US intelligence sources as saying that the attack originated from Iran. US President Donald Trump previously said on Monday that it was “looking like” Iran was responsible for the attack.

    The Arab coalition said on Monday that they were continuing the investigation with the relevant authorities in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and that the initial investigation indicated that the weapons used in the attack which targeted oil facilities in Abqaiq and Hijrat Khurais were Iranian.
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    Post  nomadski on Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:32 pm

    Yes true. I told you the screw driver they used was Iranian !  The two stroke drone engine was German. The chip set was American.

    https://youtu.be/xq8S4WHKJCs

    The tail looks like Yemen drone. Yemen design.


    https://youtu.be/pkvbSLjSAhM

    There seems to be disinformation regarding number of strikes, direction of strikes and ranges of Yemen drone and type of drone. What I think this means, at least as an initial knee jerk reaction by Saudi, is that they will not change policy in Yemen. Business as usual. More bombing. In this case, we could expect more " Iranian" drone attacks from the " North"! For which they will have no answer!

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:41 am

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    Post  nomadski on Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:51 pm


    Sanctions by yank are now a spent force. They will not easily go to hot war. And they have no arrows left to fire. But the resistance axis has plenty more options. They say water should not be cut in Saudi. We are Muslims. But water is cut in Yemen. Polluted. We are again applying excessive moralism in war. We can not afford excessive moralism.

    And using few available drones to hit an airfield, is not important. Other airfields can be used. They have the money to build more. Destroying a few Tanks, will only make more money for warmongers. And killing a few invading troops will neither defeat them nor decrease hatred.

    Damage to refinery is better. If it was significant economically. Led to hardship. As will be shortages of water. And lack of electricity. People will still have water. But they have to go to shop to buy. They will not die of thirst. They will sit in darkness in candlelight. And feel miserable. And perhaps angry. Angry with war and their rulers.

    So excessive moralism should be abandoned. There are limited drones to strike. The most efficient way to end war is by increasing public opposition to war. Without creating hatred and killing. Therefore less water and no electricity is the best plan. As well as no oil. If they carry on with war.........
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:34 pm

    ..Russian and Turkish pressure on Iran’s President Rouhani to withdraw Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps forces from Syria might have motivated Saturday’s drone and/or cruise missile attack on Saudi oil production plants, strategic analysts in several countries believe. The IRGC may have instigated the attacks to preempt a deal that would have reduced its forces in Syria after a bloody multi-year campaign against Sunni rebels backed by Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
    As a collateral benefit, torpedoing any possible chance for a Trump-Rouhani meeting at the upcoming New York United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) may have been another aim.IRGC air forces chief Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh boasted a year ago that Iran’s missiles could hit US troops at bases in Qatar, the UAE and Afghanistan. He reiterated the threat yesterday. Whether or not Iranian missiles could swamp American (or Israeli) anti-missile defenses is not clear, but there is no question that Iran owns enough Chinese-manufactured medium-range missiles to inflict catastrophic damage on Saudi oil infrastructure.
    US naval vessels are vulnerable to Iranian attacks by a number of means, including artillery dug in along the coast of the Persian Gulf.
    To box in the Revolutionary Guard, Washington’s best option is to work with Russia, Turkey and China. Russia and Turkey have enormous leverage over Tehran because they help Iran transship hydrocarbons to the European market and evade American sanctions. China is Iran’s largest trading partner and also its largest supplier of weapons. Given Washington’s tense relationship with the other three countries, that is tricky – although not impossible – to accomplish.
    American diplomacy is not adept at distinguishing between areas of conflict and cooperation with other powers. For a generation after the fall of Communism, the US enjoyed a monopoly of power. The present crop of US foreign policy specialists suffered in consequence from self-righteousness and complacency. The Iranian mess can be managed, but it can’t be managed by Washington unilaterally – and certainly not by the present crop of strategists.
    https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/09/article/ankara-summit-might-have-motivated-irans-drone-attack/

    attack on oil infrastructure has “Chinese footprint” https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2724134.html

    How Iran precisely targeted Saudi oil facilities  https://lenta.ru/news/2019/09/19/saudiaramco/

    Houthi rebels overturned the chessboard


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:16 pm

    “It will not be possible to win”: the US presented three scenarios for the development of the conflict with Iran

    Trump said the US could strike at 15 targets in Iran
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:21 pm

    Iran will win. Since no power can change by war or sanctions, their ideology. But their aim is not really to change our minds. They know they have no chance. Their aim here is much more limited. To sell guns. For this the warmongers need a short war. With no military or political disadvantage for them.

    However Iran is not far from getting nukes. Or ICBM.  And they said they will retaliate globally. Meaning enemy soil. This means Bolton's mustache is not safe. Also politicaly,  they are already forced to use oil reserves. It will run out soon. Or be depleted by recent attacks. Any further disruption will cripple them. Economically and politically.

    Iran can easily  extend war beyond few weeks or months. Sure there will be damage. But so will there be damage on their side. One reason that they have not attacked. But they may in future. Iranian people will now carry on with their lives. Ignoring their threats. While their world crumbles.

    Defending is expensive. Especially against numerically superior force. Fighting symmetric conventional war not possible. Like play football against team of 100 men. So they show pictures of Khoramshahr missile. With possible new warhead. But this is not sufficient. As they will see. They need a real TV show. Proof.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:29 pm

    If Trump is impeached, VP Pence will become president & may start a hybrid war before 2020.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:47 am

    If Trump is impeached... that is about their only counter to MAGA.. ITII....
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    Post  yavar on Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:07 am

    Iran leadr adviser IRGC Major Gen. Safavi: we will respond to any American conspiracy against us from the Mediterranean to the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean. In response to U.S. threat after the Saudi Aramco oil refinery attack, and Secretary Pompeo

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    Post  medo on Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:27 pm

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/saudi-arabia-drone-attacks-trump-us-iran-global-warfare-nato-a9113636.html

    The devastating attack on Saudi oil facilities by drones and missiles not only transforms the balance of military power in the Middle East, but marks a change in the nature of warfare globally.

    On the morning of 14 September, 18 drones and seven cruise missiles – all cheap and unsophisticated compared to modern military aircraft – disabled half of Saudi Arabia’s crude oil production and raised the world price of oil by 20 per cent.

    This happened despite the Saudis spending $67.6bn (£54bn) on their defence budget last year, much of it on vastly expensive aircraft and air defence systems, which notably failed to stop the attack. The US defence budget stands at $750bn (£600.2bn), and its intelligence budget at $85bn (£68bn), but the US forces in the Gulf did not know what was happening until it was all over.

    Excuses advanced for this failure include the drones flying too low to be detected and unfairly coming from a direction different from the one that might have been expected. Such explanations sound pathetic when set against the proud boasts of the arms manufacturers and military commanders about the effectiveness of their weapons systems.

    Debate is ongoing about whether it was the Iranians or the Houthis who carried out the attack, the likely answer being a combination of the two, but perhaps with Iran orchestrating the operation and supplying the equipment. But over-focus on responsibility diverts attention from a much more important development: a middle ranking power like Iran, under sanctions and with limited resources and expertise, acting alone or through allies, has inflicted crippling damage on theoretically much better-armed Saudi Arabia which is supposedly defended by the US, the world’s greatest military super-power.

    If the US and Saudi Arabia are particularly hesitant to retaliate against Iran it is because they know now, contrary to what they might have believed a year ago, that a counter-attack will not be a cost-free exercise. What happened before can happen again: not for nothing has Iran been called a “drone superpower”. Oil production facilities and the desalination plants providing much of the fresh water in Saudi Arabia are conveniently concentrated targets for drones and small missiles.

    Quite interesting article from the Independent. They only forget to add, that Russian made air defense have no problems with drones and cruise missiles. Russian air defense in Hmeimim have no problem to regularly shot down swarms of attacking drones with Pantsir, Tor and most probably with Repelent as well. Syrian air defense also have no problem with shoting down cruise missiles, aviation missiles and bombs and drones. To overcome syrian air defense Israel usually launched enough big number of ammunition, that air defense could not shot down all of them. This is very unpleasant situation for US against superpowers Russia and China, which could shot down all US ammunition, which they could launch, but not in the opposite way. US is not able to shot down drones, bombs and missiles launched from Russia or China. US have no more technological superiority against them and in quantity they are also becoming equal.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:53 pm

    Nothing else could be expected - US Army itself has only Patriots and Stingers mounted on Humvees (Avenger). Not even a dedicated SHORAD system not to mention an integrated, multi-layered AD network Russia has.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:48 pm

    They r getting the Israeli Iron Dome. Also the Saudis want to buy S. Korean AD systems.
    Will Trump “wash” this time too?
    Another noteworthy change, according to Escobar, lies within Houthi intent. The once unthinkable – '" Houthis investing in a mad dash across the Arabian desert to capture Mecca and Medina in conjunction with a mass Shiite uprising in the Eastern oil belt […] to drive the House of Saud out of power" –  is now, writes Escobar, a "distinct possibility."
    It’s no surprise that Tehran has sided with Houthi claims. Iranian president Hassan Rouhani said on Wednesday that Yemenis targeted Saudi oil facilities as a "warning" of a possible wider war in response to Riyadh’s US-backed intervention in their conflict-ravaged country.
    "Learn lessons from this warning and consider that there could be a war in the region," he said, in words evidently intended for the rulers of Saudi Arabia, which has spent billions of dollars on US weapons.
    Yet, Stephen Bryen says, satellite photos of the attack show no signs of explosions or fires. Why not? "Maybe," says Bryen, "the idea was to blow some holes in the tanks to show what could happen – a demonstration aimed as much at the United States as at Saudi Arabia. [or those oil tanks were empty] In fact, while we are making bets," continues Bryen, "I will bet this attack had nothing whatever to do with the Houthis. They were the plausible deniability Iran thought it needed. This attack was aimed at humiliating the United States."
    How Iran precisely targeted Saudi oil facilities by Stephen Bryen  https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/09/article/how-iran-precisely-targeted-saudi-oil-facilities/
    Houthi rebels overturned the chessboard by Pepe Escobar
    https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/09/article/how-iran-precisely-targeted-saudi-oil-facilities/
    Iran’s Rouhani says Yemenis attacked Saudi oil sites as "warning" by Sebastian Smith and Francesco Fontemaggi
    https://news.yahoo.com/irans-rouhani-says-yemenis-attacked-saudi-oil-sites-081427560.html

    "Trump raises the stakes": why the Pentagon is transferring additional military contingent to the Middle East

    US Forces Heading to Saudi Arabia To Defend Oil
    Trump: No Plans to Attack Iran Now, But Would Be Easy Decision
    Trump Announces 'Toughest Sanctions Ever' on Iran
    Saudis Launch New Offensive Against Hodeidah
    Yemen's Houthis to Stop Attacks, Hope Saudis Do Likewise
    Iraq's Stability Struggles Amid US, Iran Tensions
    Iran's Zarif Questions US Coalition Plans for 'Peaceful Resolution' in ME
    Iran Central Bank Head Says New Sanctions Show US Failure
    Hezbollah Says Iran Would Destroy Saudi Arabia in Any War

    https://www.antiwar.com/


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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:57 am

    US is not able to shot down drones, bombs and missiles launched from Russia or China. US have no more technological superiority against them and in quantity they are also becoming equal.

    Have said it before and I will say it again... the much vaunted US concept of swarm attacks against managed integrated air defence networks only makes sense if it is cheap and affordable, so so America is fundamentally incapable of doing a very good job at it.

    China and Russia and Iran on the other hand have learned cost effective and cheap but good enough is their bread and butter...


    Most importantly the Saudis and Americans claim the attack came from the north from Iran... so their biggest enemy managed to fly 30-40 cheap simple weapons into Saudi airspace... past all those Patriot batteries, past all those AWACS and F-15s and all those ships in the gulf without any being noticed let alone engaged...

    That is very damning... but also very representative of European defence... but its OK because as the British said after they lost ships in the Falklands war... the Soviets don't have any potent anti ship missiles like the Exocet so they will be fine...
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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:46 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:They r getting the Israeli Iron Dome. Also the Saudis want to buy S. Korean AD systems.

    Apparently they're interested in the KM-SAM system, which is based on the S-350

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:16 pm

    France Says Main Priority Is to De-Escalate US-Iran Tensions
    Australia Offers Trump Only Limited Commitment on Iran: PM
    Iranian Maritime Official Says UK Tanker Stena Impero to Be Released Soon
    China, Russia, Iran 'Plan Joint Naval Drill in International Waters'
    Iran Denies Successful Cyber Attacks on Oil Sector
    Iran Navy Commander Says Iran Ready to Defend Its Marine Borders

    https://www.antiwar.com/

    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2726397.html
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:48 pm

    How Yemen’s Houthis are bringing down a Goliath

    https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/09/article/irans-leader-dangles-deal-to-embattled-trump/
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    Post  crod on Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:07 am

    Another take on the supposed China investment story from earlier this month...

    https://www.bourseandbazaar.com/articles/2019/9/20/no-china-isnt-giving-iran-400-billion
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:06 pm

    Even if true, Ms of Chinese tourists can bring more $ & act as human shields against any possible bombings/invasions.
    If that fails, China will have a casus belli for sending troops to protect/evacuate her citizens.
    What military action can the Americans take against Iran?
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2731939.html


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    Post  yavar on Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:34 pm

    CBS news report: U.S. Microsoft claims Iran Cyber Attack presidential 2020 candidates, hackers targeted accounts were compromised
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/04/iran-tried-hack-us-presidential-candidates-journalists-effort-that-targeted-hundreds-microsoft-finds/

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:51 am

    Hahahahaha.... that is hilarious... but the real question is... was it the CIA on behalf of the democrats pretending to be Iranian....

    Hell with the CIAs history if meddling in the Iranian elections I think the US really should STFU and mind its own business.
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    Post  yavar on Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:18 am

    Iran Chief of Atomic Energy Organization ( AEOI ) Ali Akbar Salehi: Second Phase of Arak Heavy Water Reactor to be Launched in Three Weeks
    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/07/608115/Iran-Atomic-Energy-Organization-Ali-Akbar-Salehi-Arak-heavy-water-reactor

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