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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:14 am

    What they should be doing is setting up fake coastal defensive settings... but it is critical that you ensure that at the fake sites there is activity... have poker games there or something where a dozen men go there for a few hours every day and just play cards under cover... many fake sites are identified as fake sites because there is no human or electronic traffic there...

    Take a leaf out of Saddams book, they drove Scud missiles around the country and not one Scud missile was destroyed before it could be launched... don't listen to the bullshit in the west about roaming special forces teams taking out scuds. They moved the missiles around in school buses... Now you might say that puts Iraqi children in danger... yeah, but a US invasion also puts them in danger too, and if those Scuds can hit Israel and take some Arab countries out of the war against Iraq it could have made things much better for Iraq... and much harder for the US.
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    Post  nomadski on Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:31 pm

    Setting up fake sites is a good idea. Providing they are not too obviously fake. Thinking about the Usrael Dolphin submarines. It is a chance to observe them with sonar. Record acoustic foot print. Magnetic foot print. Keep Iranian assets quiet. So they can not do same. If Iranian subs have to move. Then drown the sea with acoustic  and magnetic countermeasures. Regarding sea mine clearing by enemy. Smart mines that see the outline of ship and then activate, are needed. So they don't respond to influence methods. Should English or Usrael subs be carrying Nuke warhead, best sink them far from shore. For pollution and safety. Not in Persian Gulf.



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    Post  yavar on Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:33 pm

    US has applied to Gibraltar court for extend seizure Iranian Oil Tanker Grace-1 in Gibraltar
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/15/us-moves-to-block-release-of-iranian-vessel-in-gibraltar

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    Post  crod on Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:04 pm

    yavar wrote:US has applied to Gibraltar court for extend seizure Iranian Oil Tanker Grace-1 in Gibraltar
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/15/us-moves-to-block-release-of-iranian-vessel-in-gibraltar


    lol! they can apply all they want, ship is free to leave following court decision. Desperate last gap actions from a lunatic government.
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:08 am

    What a  dis - Grace  on the Iranian part !  Their pundits  and spokesmen try to paint this " release" , as a victory  by Iran ! What a great big lie , they tell the Iranian people. This government in power. If  Iran  had not given verbal or written guarantees that ship will not go to Syria, then they should make a public statement. The Iranian leaders should make a statement, that there is no such guarantee given. But they won't, will they?

    Since this Liberal defeatist gang in power, give brave statements of resistance in public . But in private, they betray the interests of Iranian nation. The enemy decides who Iran trades with, not international law . Where Iranian ships can or can not go!  Iran with this move has accepted defeat. But the Liberal opportunists can bend even more. Anything to stay in power.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:19 am

    Really lucky it was a court in Gibraltar, and no a UK court.

    Perhaps Iran should check the sailors from the ships they have stopped to check they all comply with Iranian law... especially on things like the dress code, or gay marriage and decide on what laws they want to apply to ships sailing in their waters...
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:31 am


    With this government and leadership , it will be the Yanks and Co, that will now stop Iranian ships on the High seas to impose their rules. Next they will stop Iranian ships to China. Because of their sanctions on Iranian or Chinese firms. And the Iranians will give further guarantees that they will not trade with China or Cuba or Korea............. Sad.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:57 pm

    It's a face saving way for both sides; that oil can still be transferred to other ship(s) & delivered to Syria under the Russian protection.
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    Post  nomadski on Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:06 am

    @ Tsavo lion

    Is an empty house, a secure house? Or is a nation with a weak government , an independent  nation ? The nature of Iranian society and revolution  was such , as to exclude  all  political parties . Except one. Minority rule.  An empty house.

    And we felt , that even if our revolution did not result in full democracy , that  at least  the few in power , could stand up for all our rights. We felt that we were free and independent.

    I belive Picardo, when he says they have signed. I disbelieve the Iranians, when they say they did not. The Iranians said that they were not going to Syria. They said that they could be going to Syria. But they did not say that they are going to Syria. Let alone actually going to Syria.

    So it looks like a secret capitulation. You say Russia may help. But there is nobody in the house. Maybe  one or two left. Home alone. Friends help each other. Neighbours help each other. But it may be that Iranians can not help  neighbours or pick friends. Since they have picked masters. Theives and  foreign invaders who broke into an empty house.

    This signings , if true ,  may be the most significant event  since 1979 revolution . It marks the defeat and end of the revolution. Iran not achieving either full democracy or independence. And a return to the American camp as a client state. With a right wing Liberal Pro - West  apparatus. And a thin revolutionary psudo - religious  veneer.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:47 am

    First of all WTF would an oil tanker taking oil from Iran to Syria be doing moving any where near Gibraltar in the first place?

    Second, after being seized illegally, Iran is under no obligation to tell the truth or follow through on promises made to get their property released... just like the US can sign a piece of paper that commits them to not impose sanctions on Iran and then renege on that agreement despite Iran faithfully following the agreement to the letter.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:00 am

    First of all WTF would an oil tanker taking oil from Iran to Syria be doing moving any where near Gibraltar in the first place?
    They can't use the Suez, since Egypt is allied to KSA & follows US orders, so must go around Africa & W. Med. to ship oil from Iran to Syria.
    Second, after being seized illegally, Iran is under no obligation to tell the truth or follow through on promises made to get their property released...
    and risk its tankers seized again!
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    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:59 pm

    The seizure of the Iranian tanker was pure piracy. No law passed by the legislatures of the USA and any of its minions like the UK,
    has any standing outside their borders. This fact is routinely ignored and ignoring it only serves the imperial ambitions of these
    rogue regimes bent on world domination.

    Of course Iran is too weak to send a military task force to liberate the ship, but more stink should have been raised by Russia and
    China at the UN. But the UN is a NATO compromised organization that has become a joke.

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    Post  nomadski on Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:56 pm

    @ KVS


    The weakness you see is political. Not military. Nothing to do with Iranian people.  The Yanks have smelled blood in the water. Like hungry sharks on a feeding frenzy. They now plan to make Iranian politicians write a hundred times :

    IRGC IS TERROR GROUP.
    IRGC IS TERROR GROUP.
    IRCG IS TERROR GROUP.
    .......


    And then go and stand with their faces to the wall , during lunch break. Punishment for bad behaviour! And if the Iranians do this, then they get some coloured crayons, so they can draw a picture of Grace 1. And take it home to show parents. I think they may succeed. I told you they will increase pressure. Capture ship on high seas.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/unsealed-warrant-and-forfeiture-complaint-seek-seizure-oil-tanker-grace-1-unlawful-use-us
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:44 am

    Well put a group of Iranian marines on board every tanker taking oil from Iran to Syria... those marines try to land on the ship from a helicopter get a few guys to stand on the deck with Iglas.... if they approach by speed boat a few guys standing on the deck with RPGs and a few rounds from a PKM into the water in front of the speed boat or a few tracer rounds ahead of the helo...

    The seizing simply wont happen.

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    Post  nomadski on Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:26 pm



    Not a bad idea. But they could still stop the ship by blocking it's path or damaging propellers. Or simply deny passage through Suez. Tsavo lion said that Russian shilp can carry Iranian oil to Syria. Good idea. Since Yanks can not risk war with Russia. Also other Iran / Syria trade and goods can be done by Russian cargo barge, through Black Sea and Kerch route. China flag oil Tanker can carry oil to China. Again Yanks not risking open War with China. Even if all this allows Iran to do trade, Yanks will do something else to bring pressure. If Iranian political leaders keep signing and showing weakness. They won't stop. Time to stop being dictated to.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:33 am

    Attack on Iran would be an attack on Russia
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    Post  crod on Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:04 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Attack on Iran would be an attack on Russia

    If there is any truth to this - it is a rather significant step for Iran. The next few decades could be very interesting for the region.

    Perhaps Russia is a friend of Iran after all. Actions as always, speak louder than words so let’s see how this this plays out.
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    Post  nomadski on Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:53 am


    Well the Iranian authorities said that there will be no war. Because they don't want war. This statement was made with no qualifications. Meaning no war under any circumstances. They also ruled out having a detterent under Islamic law. Meaning no detterent power under any circumstances. They also stated that any nuclear advancements are reversible and are purely to allow negotiations. Even if they publicly reject capitulation to the Yanks. They also secretly sign away Iran's right to free trade and using international transit waterways for this reason. This is a government of defeat. The Yanks are right to say that "... We know they will come back to us! ". They know something we don't ?

    They are right to increase pressure. Since the other side will not fight for their rights under any circumstance. Iran has already capitulated. The Yanks will now capture ships. Or do anything they want. The Iranian side will make brave noises, for domestic political reasons. But they will not do anything. Hot air. As I said there is nobody left in the house of Iranian politics. A bunch of Liberal right wing defeatist Anglofile. How will they sell it to the public? Oh their politician will travel to Vietnam or Cuba for a revolutionary photo op! Or through a theatre of religion. Russia will not fight Yank over Iran. They will divide the spoils, North and South.
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    Post  crod on Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:52 pm

    All that aside, your comments don’t address in any shape or form the content contained in the link above.

    By having Russia there (if the content is true), stops any attack and avoids war, I am pretty sure that was one of the points.
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    Post  nomadski on Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:43 pm

    It does answer it. But first a joke for you !  How many  psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb ? Only one. But the light bulb must want to change itself !

    Gone are the days of socialist worker's International. The ideology of national liberation. A fight against  monopoly capital. Western imperialism. In those days, I used to think, that where we could support national bourgoise against Liberal bourgoise, and where we can support the proletariat against the national bourgoise, that is what we should do. Supporting the most revolutionary and numerous elements against the counter - revolutionary elements.

    But the ideology of revolution was defeated by capitalism. In Russia, the socialists lost power. In Iran the socialists and workers lost power. The growth was one of capitalism. Both economically and politically. The race for power now is between different capitalist liberal groups. In this war, the wealthiest group controlling the greatest markets and resources has won the battle. The American Liberal  ( dis) order.

    In this metric, Then Russia and China, both being or aspiring to this order, have followed the dictat of American capital markets. In Iran too, the Liberal ideology and class is dominant. Not nationalist politics. Not workers or farmers. They too have subject themselves to the demands of American Liberal order. The war has already been won. The biggest capitalists, with biggest share in markets have triumphed.

    So China and Russia have to fight for scraps. They themselves can not loose share of markets. Gone are the days of national liberation. Welcome to New world Liberal order. With Yanks on top. Followed by others. You see the light bulb does not want to change.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:52 am

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    Post  kvs on Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:34 am

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-19/iran-warns-us-dont-interfere-tankers-passage-mulls-naval-escort

    Hysterical BS from the yanquis who now claim that Iran is a "terrorist organization". Pure "proof by assertion".
    Meanwhile the yanquis support actual terrorists in Syria. That includes Daesh which they claim they are fighting.
    Cute how Daesh encampments are in the vicinity of US encampments north of the Euphrates (the US occupied
    zone in Syria) and no fighting occurs between them. Then we had the alleged "bombing campaign" by Obummer
    and Trumpet that never did any serious damage. Rather it was the US air raids of SAA positions that helped
    Daesh directly.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:36 am


    Not a bad idea. But they could still stop the ship by blocking it's path or damaging propellers

    Just threaten the locals in the area... block the ship or damage it to stop it from delivering its payload and it will dump the payload right there in the water.

    Obviously using Russian flagged ships would be the best alternative.

    For the cost of accommodation of half a dozen Iranian soldiers however they could probably deal with it themselves.. They could have a roster for keeping watch 24/7... issue each with a radio and a rifle and the other guys can fill in their own time as they like with heavy weapons if needed.

    A MANPADS gripstock and some missiles and a TOW ripoff of some type and some missiles and a few RPGs and 50 cal sniper rifles would be all they would need really... perhaps a PKM or two or 50 cal mounts.
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    Post  nomadski on Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:53 pm

    Look the Iranians have secretly capitulated. This defeatist Liberal gang in power. They are now trying to sell this defeat as a victory for " revolutionary Diplomacy" to the people. They will now sign anything , FATF, CTF, 2030. They will stop rocket programme, send another ten Tons of 20% to Russia. Anything but fight. It is all a question of how to sell it to people, when people don't get anything from this (secret) deals. I have lost all confidence in this government. Further humiliation will now follow. Confidence in government will fall.

    https://sputniknews.com/world/201908201076592768-no-request-from-iran-tanker-to-dock-in-greece-claims-minister-as-us-warns-against-aiding--vessel/
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:20 pm

    No, they just need to buy some time before Russia sends her ships to the Gulf. After all, they can't do much to the US 5th Fleet from the Caspian Sea!
    Russia needs India & China in its camp; roads & canals in Iran is what will bind them together- that geoeconomic/strategic shortcut is worth $Bs in future savings & profits.

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