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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:19 pm

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:55 am


    If true let's hope that Russia will strip these fork-tongued doubletalking Iranian mutts down to their birthday suit

    Russia Gains Stranglehold Over Persian Gulf

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russia-Gains-Stranglehold-Over-Persian-Gulf.html


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:51 am

    Russia Gains Stranglehold Over Persian Gulf
    In a potentially catastrophic escalation of tensions in the Persian Gulf, Russia plans to use Iran’s ports in Bandar-e-Bushehr and Chabahar as forward military bases for warships and nuclear submarines, guarded by hundreds of Special Forces troops under the guise of ‘military advisers’, and an airbase near Bandar-e-Bushehr as a hub for 35 Sukhoi Su-57 fighter planes OilPrice.com has exclusively been told by senior sources close to the Iranian regime.
    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russia-Gains-Stranglehold-Over-Persian-Gulf.html

    So, the Iranians r going to allow the former Persian Empire to become a Russian colony? Even if true, I suspect they won't be permanently based there.
    “The fact that Russia also intends to use these two ports not just for warships but for nuclear submarines as well when the waters in its more northern ports are frozen is significantly upping the Russian ante on the West in general and on the U.S. in particular,”..

    The Kola bases r ice free & Russia has icebreaking tugs for subs elsewhere:
    http://eng.mil.ru/en/structure/forces/cosmic/more/photo/gallery.htm?id=37189@cmsPhotoGallery
    https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/how-the-soviet-akula-changed-submarine-warfare-1819380681

    http://eng.mil.ru/en/mcis/news/more.htm?id=12071816@egNews

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17853/fire-at-russias-vladivostok-submarine-base-sure-doesnt-look-like-an-exercise

    They been sailing under ice for decades, so frozen or not isn't going to stop them.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:31 am

    PapaDragon wrote:If true let's hope that Russia will strip these fork-tongued doubletalking Iranian mutts down to their birthday suit

    Russia Gains Stranglehold Over Persian Gulf

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russia-Gains-Stranglehold-Over-Persian-Gulf.html

    Wow...If this is confirmed, I suspect they'll be a gigantic hissy fit in Washington Very Happy

    Tsavo Lion wrote:So, the Iranians r going to allow the former Persian Empire to become a Russian colony? Even if true, I suspect they won't be permanently based there...

    They probably won't be permanently based in Iran. It's still a major development....they're working on a military cooperation agreement so it's not that far fetched
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    Post  crod on Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:45 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    If true let's hope that Russia will strip these fork-tongued doubletalking Iranian mutts down to their birthday suit

    Papa, perhaps my brain is not coping well on this monday morning, but what do you mean?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:48 pm

    Hahahahahaha... love it.... it is the stupid western suggestion that the Soviets invaded Afghanistan for warm water ports... fucking hilarious... ignore the fact that even if it was true they would then have to invade another country called Pakistan to actually reach that warm water from land locked Afghanistan... it would not make sense for them to attack Afghanistan and than Iran to get those ports because they wouldn't need to go through Afghanistan to go through Iran... they would just have to invade and pacify Iran...

    But this is just silly of course... either this writer is having a go, or the Iranian officials he is in contact with is winding him up with the worst possible scenario for the US... a direct Russian military presence in the gulf that they can't do anything about...

    I don't believe it for a second even though it would be a brilliant move by Iran... the US and Saudi Arabia and Israel would no longer be able to attack...

    The problem is that Iran really doesn't trust Russia much more than it trusts the US and there is no reason for them to do so, and inviting a large military force on to Iranian territory is against their laws... I just don't think they want any foreign military forces on their territory... and fair enough with that...

    Pretty damn funny though.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:59 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    If true let's hope that Russia will strip these fork-tongued doubletalking Iranian mutts down to their birthday suit

    Russia Gains Stranglehold Over Persian Gulf

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russia-Gains-Stranglehold-Over-Persian-Gulf.html

    Well they had to pick a side eventually, the Sanctions and Europe's fumbling made it clear as day and night what Iran needed to do.

    We still have to wait for conformation though.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:51 pm

    Could be fake news.

    If true, while not ideal obviously, it's something. Iran gives up a lot yes, but ultimately they have a responsibility to protect their people at all cost from the death of war. Bringing Russia in is such a way helps in large part to avoid that.

    Iran had the responsibility to try to balance out Russia, China and the EU with the JCPOA and the sanction stipulations. By diversifying, they strengthen themselves with options for investment and trade - and not necessarily beholden to any of the 3. But the EU has shown that, any way it's spun, they'll side with the U.S when push comes to shove, even if passively.

    Why would anyone want to ally with a loser power like Russia that left half the world hanging 30 years ago? Russia has shown it can't protect its allies. Not like the U.S protects its club - not even close. Russia has a long way to go still to try to build their reputation again on the world stage (as a strong guarantor.) So it's not an easy decision to put all your eggs on the Russian basket but sometimes there is little choice.

    If it's any consolation for Iran, it's allying with Russia, thus breaking up with Russia at a later date usually carries lesser penalties than surrendering to the anglo's and getting raped on all aspects and then at a future date breaking up like in 79'. The concessions while harsh, are a drop in the oil bucket.


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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:57 pm

    crod wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    If true let's hope that Russia will strip these fork-tongued doubletalking Iranian mutts down to their birthday suit

    Papa, perhaps my brain is not coping well on this monday morning, but what do you mean?

    Read the article

    Iranians would definitely prefer anything other than cooperating with Russia in any way, shape or form so it would be prudent for Russia to keep in mind that this is not friendly arrangement, to get as much as it can for as cheap as possible and to be ready to cut the two-faced parasites loose at the moment's notice


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    Post  crod on Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:43 pm

    Nothing to say any of this is true.

    Tbh, who knows what Russia post Putin is going to look like - things ain’t too rosy looking right now in Russia. You can’t keep arresting thousands of protesters - all chickens eventually come home to roost.

    If the article is true, well that’s a bit of a shame for Iran though the bigger brother always takes the lion share in any negotiation - the EU screws over smaller countries as does the US etc Russia is no different. That said the Iranians should be pushing for better equipment and hardware from the deal, if it’s even real.

    Pics or didn’t happen...

    I wouldn’t be letting the Russians anywhere near tbh, they’ve proven in recent times to be just as untrustworthy as the US but as someone has already posted, the difference being, the US looks after its mates better than the Russians ever will on top the fact that Russia ain’t the USSR and have some way to go before regaining its status of old.
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    Post  crod on Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:50 pm

    Such burning hatred for the Iranians Pappa Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:29 am

    crod wrote:Nothing to say any of this is true.

    Tbh, who knows what Russia post Putin is going to look like - things ain’t too rosy looking right now in Russia. You can’t keep arresting thousands of protesters - all chickens eventually come home to roost.

    If the article is true, well that’s a bit of a shame for Iran though the bigger brother always takes the lion share in any negotiation - the EU screws over smaller countries as does the US etc Russia is no different. That said the Iranians should be pushing for better equipment and hardware from the deal, if it’s even real.

    Pics or didn’t happen...

    I wouldn’t be letting the Russians anywhere near tbh, they’ve proven in recent times to be just as untrustworthy as the US but as someone has already posted, the difference being, the US looks after its mates better than the Russians ever will on top the fact that Russia ain’t the USSR and have some way to go before regaining its status of old.

    The protests in Russia aren't that big honestly just a mere few hundred in a city of Millions, it's not the thousands it's portrayed to be.

    In 20 Years perhaps Russia will be facing a serious problem internally but right now no.

    Carefullllllll don't say you can't trust Russia here that will get you labeled.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:42 am

    crod wrote:Such burning hatred for the Iranians Pappa Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    Financing and recruiting jihadists to carry out the "holy" war against someone's entire ethnic group will get you that result

    I do hope Iranians aren't expecting affection and sympathy because that would be naiveté unbecoming of a nation with such supposedly distinguished history...


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:50 am

    Financing and recruiting jihadists to carry out the "holy" war against someone's entire ethnic group..
    what group & where?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:26 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Financing and recruiting jihadists to carry out the "holy" war against someone's entire ethnic group..
    what group & where?

    90s Balkans dude

    Iranians and Saudis have no problems working together when it comes to genociding the unbelievers

    They didn't teach you that in Iran Cheerleading School?


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:58 am

    By the same token, Yugoslavia sold/brokered arms to then Iran's enemy Iraq till 2003:
    In the 1980s, they developed a joint weapons program that produced a multiple rocket launcher that can fire chemical warheads.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/look-whos-selling-arms-to-saddam/

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/yugoslavia-at-centre-of-arms-trade-with-saddam-20021126-gdfvcn.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq%E2%80%93Serbia_relations#Yugoslav_relations_with_Ba'ath-era_Iraq
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:08 am


    Bosnia and Kosovo were also part of Yugoslavia, that didn't bother Iranians for some reason

    Could it be that they are simply jihadi sh*tbags just as everyone says they are?

    Also, Iraq was under severe arms embargo after Desert Storm so that 2003 theory don't really work

    Besides, everyone was selling hardware to Iraq back in the 80s, especially Europeans and USA and still Iranians can't get over them not wanting​ to sell them stuff today

    Pathetic grovelling hypocrites...


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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:21 am

    crod wrote:Nothing to say any of this is true.

    Tbh, who knows what Russia post Putin is going to look like - things ain’t too rosy looking right now in Russia. You can’t keep arresting thousands of protesters - all chickens eventually come home to roost.

    If the article is true, well that’s a bit of a shame for Iran though the bigger brother always takes the lion share in any negotiation - the EU screws over smaller countries as does the US etc Russia is no different. That said the Iranians should be pushing for better equipment and hardware from the deal, if it’s even real.

    Pics or didn’t happen...

    I wouldn’t be letting the Russians anywhere near tbh, they’ve proven in recent times to be just as untrustworthy as the US but as someone has already posted, the difference being, the US looks after its mates better than the Russians ever will on top the fact that Russia ain’t the USSR and have some way to go before regaining its status of old.

    CIA paid protestors. Mercenaries. Nothing more. Strip them of their citizenship and send them to America where they can enjoy their freedom. Yeah, the land of daily shooting massacres. Freedom my arse.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:45 am

    Bosnia and Kosovo were also part of Yugoslavia, that didn't bother Iranians for some reason
    Khuzestan is part of Iran but it didn't bother Iraq & its Western backers, with Yugoslavs lining their pockets from arms sales.
    Iran was not the main actor in the Balkans: Volunteer mujahideen arrived from all around the world, including Afghanistan, Egypt, France, Indonesia, Iraq, Lebanon, Malaysia, Morocco, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Thailand, Turkey, the United Kingdom, the United States and Yemen. The Bosnian mujahideen were primarily from Iran, Afghanistan and Arab countries.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_mujahideen

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Yugoslavia/NATO_Yugo_War_Criminals.html

    https://www.rferl.org/a/1342932.html

    Also, Iraq was under severe arms embargo after Desert Storm so that 2003 theory don't really work
    it's not a theory, but a fact. Arms trade was going on via the 3rd countries & front companies. U accuse the Iranians of duplicity, but Yugoslavia also used her position to play NATO & the Warsaw Pact against each other.  
    Its geographic position enabled it to serve as a buffer between the two opposing blocks. Yugoslavia was a socialist state, but it did not side with either of the superpowers. Instead, it maintained its role as an independent socialist state following the uncompromised Marxist-Leninist principles. Because of its highly popular leader, Marshall Bros Tito, and his political acumen, Yugoslavia was able to maintain its independence and, at the same time, reap the benefits of the fierce competition between the two blocks. ..the prestige Tito’s Yugoslavia enjoyed enabled its leader to borrow extensively from the West and keep the economic problems of the country under check for decades. Yet, it was precisely this privilege that doomed the country once Yugoslavia lost its geopolitical significance, and the West stopped financing its deficits. ..
    The intimidating Soviet army, and the exaggerated threat it posed, allowed Tito to dissuade regional leaders from pushing for major reforms along nationalistic lines. The sense of a common destiny reinforced by a sense of a common peril deterred the nationalistic leaders from pushing too far. Recently declassified CIA documents from the Cold War era confirm this conclusion as they emphasize the effectiveness of Tito’s strategy of using external threat, mainly that of the Soviets, as a strong political tool for keeping domestic affairs in order.
    It is important to note that, after the alarming crisis of the 1960s had been partially resolved, Tito and his cabinet produced a new constitution for Yugoslavia in order to satisfy some of the reformists’ demands. Being the fourth constitution produced in less than thirty years, this one made extensive provisions for local self-management to the six republics. It also granted Kosovo the status of a province (Woodward, 1995). Many saw the new constitution as Tito’s last attempt to satisfy all the nationalities (Stojanovic, 1997). The content of this constitution made Yugoslavia a defunct confederation of six republics and two provinces unified by the effect of the external threat posed by the Soviet Union and its satellite protégés in Europe.
    https://europe.unc.edu/background-titos-yugoslavia/
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:52 am


    You do realize you just proved my point about Iranians being little jihadi b*tches?

    And if you want to discuss Yugoslavia you are at least 6 participants short of required number

    If you want to demonstrate your jihadi fanboyism you found the wrong audience because unlike all the latter day liberal commie towelhead lovers we here know exactly what type of maggots Iranians are




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    Post  ATLASCUB on Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:41 am

    The Iranians, the Saudi's, the Turks... all of them were in on the Yugoslavian free for all. All of them tried to please the U.S (and Germany) by unleashing their dogs. Not only were they looking to gain brownie points with the new masters of the world at that time; on the grand strategic scale of things having bastions of islam inside Europe has always been a goal of all middle-eastern powers with an imperial past (Persians, Ottomans etc). While the Turks or the Iranians of today can do little with said puzzle pieces in Europe, no one knows if a 100 or 200 years from now whether those seeds may or may not be useful to said nations. So, to them, it was an easy choice, for the fate of Yugoslavia was sealed when both Germany and the U.S decided it had to go - with or without their participation and assistance.

    It's those two, the U.S and Germany, if anything, who should have Papa's deep hatred - but he's a hypocrite. Even then, what the U.S and Germany did to Yugoslavia was merely a reflection of the failure of Russia to protect its ally and one of the many consequences of the dissolution of the USSR, which bears that responsibility. It left Yugoslavia vulnerable and defenseless to a pack of hyenas with the new king of the jungle at the helm. The responsibility falls on many - and the list is longgggggggg, to include no less than the politburo of the former USSR, Yeltsin, Gorbachev (still alive and kicking) and his criminal clan. That's obviously without mentioning the fact that the Serbian leadership failed to see the writing on the wall, and unlike Bulgaria, Romania, the Poles, Czechs etc, it failed in not pivoting accordingly while being completely surrounded - with its main backer being a depressed nation, turned beggar of U.S assistance (at the time).

    But again this is not about who's really to blame, but some petty hypocritical xenophobic rant from a baby.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:10 am

    you just proved my point..
    no, I proved that I'm being objective & unbiased, unlike u. I'm yet to see Ks of Serb volunteers coming to Syria to fight Iranians &/ their proxies & help the US to settle that score from the '90s. Or maybe they don't want to join the Sunni jihadists there from all over the world & fight the Russians?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:45 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:...for the fate of Yugoslavia...

    ...is something nobody gives two shits about. That commie Frankenstein should never have existed in the first place.

    I talk about Serbia, couldn't care less about anything else



    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    you just proved my point..
    no, I proved that I'm being objective & unbiased, unlike u. I'm yet to see Ks of Serb volunteers coming to Syria to fight Iranians &/ their proxies & help the US to settle that score from the '90s. Or maybe they don't want to join the Sunni jihadists there from all over the world & fight the Russians? ..

    Are you stupid or something? Why would Serbs fight Russians in Middle East of all places?

    Nobody gives a shit about that wasteland, it's good entertainment but it ends there.

    If either Russians or Americans had any sense they would have glassed that whole place after WTC/Beslan at the latest.



    Tsavo Lion wrote:..Iran, India, Russia, China: The Magic Quadrant That is Changing The World

    One of those is not like the others. Hint: it's Saudi cousins.

    Also, changing the world? Please...lol1



    Hopefully at some point USA and Iran will finally grow a pair for a change and star bleeding each other for real and at that point I will be cracking open some cold ones and enjoying the show. No losers in that scenario.

    Always remember: only difference between Iranians and Saudis are couple of grammar errors in Quran, nothing more.




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    Post  nomadski on Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:55 pm



    What will not stop war between Yanks and Iran : Diplomacy. Negotiations. Some trade. JCPOA. Nuclear ambiguity. S300. SU 35.

    What will stop war between Yanks and Iran : Nuke tipped ICBM. LIKE TOPOL.

    Either Russians can help in this, by providing designs or engineers. And stop war. Or get ready for WW3. On their borders. If yank break INF. Why Russia not break it.?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2PM2_Topol-M
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:12 pm

    nomadski wrote:

    What will not stop war between Yanks and Iran : Diplomacy. Negotiations. Some trade. JCPOA. Nuclear ambiguity. S300. SU 35.

    What will stop war between Yanks and Iran : Nuke tipped ICBM. LIKE TOPOL.

    Either Russians can help in this, by providing designs or engineers. And stop war. Or get ready for WW3. On their borders. If yank break INF. Why Russia not break it.?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2PM2_Topol-M

    I don't think that is realistic.

    What might stop the war is if the realisation that Israel will be destroyed, by missiles from Iran, Lebanon and maybe Syria, if a move is made on Iran hits home in the US. The US will not be allowed to allow that to happen, the Zionists have too much power in Washington.

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