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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:41 am

    Impoverished NK & Pakistan had; S. Africa, Iraq & Libya were also advanced, before abandoning their programs. Why Iran should be any different? They have scientists, engineers & uranium deposits.
    And they could get suitcase mini-nukes from other states.
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    Post  nomadski on Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:05 am

    @ultimatewarrior

    The knowledge about making nuke warheads is widely  available  . I saw TV , programme recently  that described more or less exactly how to build fusion and fission devices  for example they said :

    ( 1 ) The explosive charges to compress material , are cylindrical and of two types . The ones near core are  slow acting and those on the outside are fast acting . This helps compress matter into fission .

    ( 2 ) The plutonium charge is mixed with gallium,  to help cast and work the metal .

    ( 3 )  In fusion device , Lithium is mixed with Deuterium  to give  higher  yeild .

    ( 4 ) Inside fusion device ,  electron conducting  material is used to help electromagnetic propagation  by the fission device . Electron resistance  material used in casing to contain radiation .


    All this from BBC TV programmes.........here is one , I made earlier !

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08nz0xh
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:05 pm

    It doesn't need to be a super high tech brand new device... it just has to go boom properly... there are likely large numbers of people around the world with practical knowledge to make such things... most of the former Soviet states, China, France, UK, US etc etc.

    and it is not just for money these people might do it... it could be a perceived revenge by a disgruntled person, or they might think what they are doing is in the worlds interests to stop a US attack...
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:59 am

    Quick question gents, Where does Iran's Anti-Satellite capabilities stand?

    I know they have a space program, so are they capable at dealing Satellites?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:38 am

    They don't have MiG-31s with ASAT missiles, nor the S-400/500.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:01 am

    Well if you can launch a satellite then you can launch a bucket of nails in the opposite orbit to a target you want to take out... even if it misses every 45 minutes or so their paths will cross again and the ever expanding cloud of nails will get bigger and bigger... the contact of just one nail could obliterate any satellite simply because the closing speed in low earth orbit will be about 15km/s.
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    Post  nomadski on Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:46 am

    Most in Iran know , what needs to be done . However the political direction is not what it should be . The reason is the influence of some groups . In foreign and domestic policy . There should now be no linking of military needs of country and nuclear arms with economic or political demands . No more flexibility . No more risking defence needs . Lessons have been learnt . No more nuclear yo yo . No snap back .



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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:33 pm

    Iran Rejects US Accusation It Long Violated Deal

    Bolton Pushing Trump to Force Iran Out of Deal Before 2020 Election
    Israel Says Preparing to Join US War Against Iran

    Voters Back Trump's Decision Not to Strike Iran

    Iranians Say US Sanctions Hurt People, Not Government
    European Powers Won't Trigger Iran Deal Dispute Mechanism for Now: Diplomats
    Iran Says Several Suspected US Spies Face Possible Death Sentences
    2 Militants, 2 Guards Killed in Shootout in Iran's West
    Trump Should Realize That Iranians Unite When Bullied, Says Iran Parliament Speaker
    https://www.antiwar.com/

    Turkish President: we support the Chinese project “One Belt, One Way” https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2659256.html

    Some of its traffic will have to come across Iran. China will need to defend her interests there.

    Is China Ready to Secure the Strait of Hormuz?
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2658826.html


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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:10 am

    Is China Ready to Secure the Strait of Hormuz?
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2658826.html

    I am sure Iran and China could agree on some terms that both can be happy with in any case.
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    Post  nomadski on Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:03 am

    Agree . Those who do not participate in war against Iran , such as China , who buy oil , then can come and go . Those that sanction Iran , do  not buy oil , or export surplus oil to reinforce  the blockade , then they can not come and go freely.  The Saudi and English ( no not EU , or even British  ) forces have hijacked Iranian ships . No oil export or import for them .

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/en.mehrnews.com/amp/147143/


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2019/07/oil-supertanker-bound-syria-held-gibraltar-uk-marines-190704070246306.html


    So the mission for the English has evolved from sharing intelligence  with yanks , in their war against Iran to sending SBS to do defensive operations in  UAE  , to offensive operations of piracy  on the open seas . Time to send them signal in Persian Gulf ! No more money  for piracy of ships and holding hostages .


    As I said before , it makes little difference , where a hostile act took place . If you wage war , it makes no difference if it takes place on your own territory or in another's territory or in international waters or space or planet Mars ! The UK , by this action has entered into war against Iran . An economic war.  That has casualties . I think the absolute minimum response by Iran , should be to stop oil shipments to UK .  From Persian Gulf . From international waters !
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:06 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Is China Ready to Secure the Strait of Hormuz?
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2658826.html

    I am sure Iran and China could agree on some terms that both can be happy with in any case.

    It's not up to just Iran to make any Deals on the Hormuz straight. AGAIN Iran doesn't own the straight it's water only occupy a part of it.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:31 am

    Can the Pentagon "pacify" Iran
    Possible scenarios of warfare in the Gulf region
    http://nvo.ng.ru/realty/2019-07-05/1_1051_pentagon.html?print=Y
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:19 am

    It's not up to just Iran to make any Deals on the Hormuz straight. AGAIN Iran doesn't own the straight it's water only occupy a part of it.

    They are in a Geographic position to control who can or who cannot pass through that piece of water, so yes they can.

    They can choose to block passage to hostile states if they want.

    Actually I think when oil gets to $200 per barrel a lot of fracking companies in the US will thank them because they might break even and start earning money.

    More importantly when oil is $200 a barrel then alternative fuel and alternative power options will become rather more attractive... which will be good for the planet.

    Can the Pentagon "pacify" Iran

    Never have before.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:00 am

    Oh sure they can if they want, but let them do that.

    Because the worldwide response will not be pretty and very harsh.

    I don't know why you think you can just block the straight and no one will react, I don't think you understand just how much money goes through that area a day.

    How many countries depend on that oil be open, if Iran wants to hold that hostage oh boy it's duck season.

    China will not stand for their economics being harmed by it, Russia will not oppose. Putin may go "We don't approve of this" but he will do jack shit in the end.

    So yeah Garry let Iran follow your brilliant advice, it will go smashing for them.
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:27 am


    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/147207/Iran-summons-UK-envoy-over-illegal-seizure-of-supertanker-in


    So , as I said , it makes no difference , how you dress up a pig . Putting lipstick on a pig , does not make it pretty . War is being waged . It makes no difference , if a judge has ordered war . Or a group of politicians have sanctioned it . Or p5+1 or G20 or G8 . The reaction to war is war .

    In a way , I am glad that the English have discarded their diplomatic garb . A pig without lipstick is far better . All those UK loving idiots in Iran , and their liberal Europhiles, will be further isolated . Iran more likely to get nukes and damage English interests .
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    Post  Isos on Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:08 am

    They don't need to block the strait.

    All the world countries want to deal with them except USA and Israel. EU is working on a way to bypass US sanctions probably using euro, then Russia can deal with them in euro, China never stoped ...

    US are making up stories because they need a common enemy. Yesterday it was USSR, Vietnam, Iraq and today its Iran. Without a common enemy their peeople would pay more attention to them and it could end up in a civil war. That's why they are in state of war 90% of the time since their existance.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:45 pm

    Isos wrote:They don't need to block the strait.

    All the world countries want to deal with them except USA and Israel. EU is working on a way to bypass US sanctions probably using euro, then Russia can deal with them in euro, China never stoped ...

    US are making up stories because they need a common enemy. Yesterday it was USSR, Vietnam, Iraq and today its Iran. Without a common enemy their peeople would pay more attention to them and it could end up in a civil war. That's why they are in state of war 90% of the time since their existance.

    Yea, that's the thing, no matter what happens, if a major war breaks out, then the Straight is gonna be closed down.

    Meh, even if the EU pushes through their SWIFT alternative, European businesses may not follow suite, since they could lose their business in the States or worst, have their assets seized.
    Why can't Russia and Iran trade in Rubles?.... they're already BRICS members.
    Yea, i don't see why China would blame Iran for something the West started, if anything the Chinese should blame themselves for not having enough influence to get that oil pipeline through Pakistan going.

    Most of the U.S problems stem from their Border and Demographic situation.
    IMO, once the White Americans are no longer the majority, sh%t is gonna breakdown real fast, and that will happen somewhere between 2030 to 2040.
    Heck, it's not even time yet, and things are already  breaking down.
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:21 pm

    @ AlfaT8

    China can come get  oil . No problem . Using existing route of Persian Gulf . So can other countries.  As long as they do not sanction Iran oil . The problem is obviously this coalition of US / UK / Zionist / Saudi . Since UK is now enforcing blockade , then Iran should push them out of Persian Gulf . They have bases and I think they buy oil as well . So Iran can attack their bases and capture all their oil Tankers  .  They will ofcourse stop Iran shipping from reaching the Mediterranean sea . Using their slaves in Egypt and Gibraltar.  This is more of problem for UK , than Iran . Since Iran can do no business with EU .  It is not important . And even if some European country wanted to trade , we have Russian soil . Both for oil and other goods . So Europe minus the  Anglo / American cancer , can still trade with Iran , through Russia . Infact so can China . But for the UK , then the SAS , must rely for it's oil on American fracked oil . As well as chlorinated chicken.  Courtesy  of  the neo - cons . So I say,  Iran should react strongly  against UK ( English ) . And soon . Other nations trading with Iran through Persian Gulf , may have shipping attacked by UK .  They will then have to defend against the UK / US attacks . Iran can also trade with Turkey and Iraq and Syria and Lebanon,  through newly established land corridor . Just make sure to clean the area completely from English and Yank .
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    Post  Kriva on Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:59 pm

    It's far fetched I know.

    If you slow down the production from wells it can damage them (read that somewhere online so take it for what it is).
    "Idea" is to put World not EU or US at the front of the tough choice.

    You either get the world order back to line or we will start pumping oil into sea.
    2 - 3 million barrels of oil pumped into see is not a joke and we all are gonna pay the heavy price.
    Is it going to win them any friends ? No, but they don't have any anyway.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:52 am

    Because the worldwide response will not be pretty and very harsh.

    Wow, that would be a complete turn around from the Hugs and kisses they have been getting so far... I wonder if they will cope?

    I don't know why you think you can just block the straight and no one will react, I don't think you understand just how much money goes through that area a day.

    That is what makes it so useful for them to threaten to do.

    How many countries depend on that oil be open, if Iran wants to hold that hostage oh boy it's duck season.

    You mean like Iran depends on oil trade that is being blocked by the US?

    Iran can be selective as to whom they stop and whom they let through...

    China will not stand for their economics being harmed by it, Russia will not oppose. Putin may go "We don't approve of this" but he will do jack shit in the end.

    They wont need to stop certain ships...

    So yeah Garry let Iran follow your brilliant advice, it will go smashing for them.

    Your censored of a leader and his terrorist friends are not giving them much choice...

    If you slow down the production from wells it can damage them (read that somewhere online so take it for what it is).
    "Idea" is to put World not EU or US at the front of the tough choice.

    You either get the world order back to line or we will start pumping oil into sea.
    2 - 3 million barrels of oil pumped into see is not a joke and we all are gonna pay the heavy price.
    Is it going to win them any friends ? No, but they don't have any anyway.

    Storage facilities are not hard to build...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:16 am

    China & Japan can buy all their oil from Saudi Arabia instead; the US & UK can capture the strait & garrison it with their marines & army troops, just like Russian Empire was going to do with the Turkish straits. Iran then can try to retake it but will get bombed on & off like Iraq was for 12 years.


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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:03 pm

    Saudi oil refineries and storage areas are all within range of Iranian ballistic missiles...

    If the US or UK seize the straight they become targets for ballistic and other weapons too.

    Iran can encourage opposition to US bases in the region and make it rather difficult for the US to maintain its substantial presence there...

    Iran can make submarines, so making powered drones that sail out into the gulf and then sink to the bottom and wait would not be that hard... they could carry multiple torpedo like mines that are activated over time with increased buoyancy and then go hunting for any ship they detect... and some parts of the straight are so narrow that anti ship missiles reach from one side to the other...
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    Post  nomadski on Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:56 pm

    @Tsavo Lion

    Yes , good points . I have often wondered and asked  , who , where , when , how , why  should Iran target other parties  . I will give answers :

    Who should Iran target ?  I have no doubt that without the hostile influence of white English group , that infact anyone else , will want trouble with Iran . Apart from the Zionists and Saudis . But even here , without their support , they would change course . So just targetting their slaves , will bring their masters into fight . And targetting their masters  may keep their slaves out of the fight .  However targetting their slaves will not solve the problem . Even if this is easier . So the interests of English and English Americans , must be hit first.  Sure others may want to buy oil from Saudi at first . But once the English are defeated , the world will be set free .

    Where should Iran target ? Although the English and American English have finance and factory in Europe and USA , this is too far . They have bases near Iran . Easy target . They get oil , easy target . They may have long distance ships , but all the targets are within easy reach of Iran . Net effect is that their reach and naval power means little .

    How they should attack the English ? Well GarryB explained . All I add , is that to make a successful attemp , Iran may have to send ground troops into region , to insure they are cleaned from English . This includes all Persian Gulf little colony and also Saudi itself . Use the advantage of massive Iran ground force of million plus


    When should Iran target the English ? At the point of maximum power . If they are not making nukes , then right now is the best time . Since from now sanctions will make them only weaker . If they are making nukes and this can be done before economic collapse and exhaustion of all reserves , then best wait . Perhaps a couple of years . But I don't imagine they could wait anymore than this . In reality even less .

    Why should Iran target the English ? Because the culture of racist colonialism can not be reasoned with . They must suffer defeat . Perhaps through a number of wars , over many decades . Until their children no longer play the " kick the nigger game " , instead of " ring of Roses " , when they are four or five years old .

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    Post  nomadski on Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:34 pm

    Today , I watched  the news . And  all  I  like to add are two points . First , if there is one ARAK above ground then there must be ten underground . Infact the one above ground , must be kind of  for show only . Like  a car for sale outside a  car showroom,  but without engine , so nobody can steal it  !  Second about these stolen oil Tankers , if nothing is done then they will steal more or something else . So for each stolen oil Tanker , two oil Tankers of Saudi and UK must be taken for exchange . But make sure you send TAKAVAR .  Because they will have SAS , on ship . And they may fight . You will recognize them by the fact that they usually  miss a tooth or eye , and carry a knife !


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