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    Post  nomadski on Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:30 pm

    @ siegsoloyov

    No . To stop the war . Not start it . As a symbolic  retaliatory move  AFTER  the yanks start shock and awe or fire and fury. Some monument , can be taken out in big city . When it is closed to public . Using radar guided like Pershing . But this time it is long range . No casualties . Followed by nuke test on TV , in Iranian desert . Or over Indian  ocean . War will quickly stop . Millions of lives saved , including yank life .

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monuments_in_the_United_States


    Then TV shows nice picture in cinemascope and surround  sound .

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-1JFKU9fJfM
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:30 am

    Well this took a strange turn, where's Pinto when you need him.

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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:39 am

    Northern Iran is pro Russia. Southern Iran is pro US. In the case of an American invasion / 5th element civil war, Iran would be partitioned into two countries, a pro Russia northern Iran and a pro US southern Iran, just like how Ukraine was partitioned, Syria was partitioned, Georgia was partitioned, Moldova was partitioned. The US plan is to surround Russia with threats and divert Russia military all over the place and weaken Russia defenses.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:36 am












    Senate to Vote Friday on Trump Iran War Authority

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    Russia's Lavrov Says Situation Around Iran Headed Toward Dangerous Scenario
    Trump Accidentally Named Dead Iranian Leader in Sanctions Announcement
    Iran Foreign Minister Accuses Bolton of Plotting for War
    Contradicting Trump, Top Putin Adviser Says US Drone Downed in Iranian Airspace
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    Middle East Scholars: An American Attack on Iran Would Be an Unmitigated Disaster for the US, Iran, and the World
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:53 am

    nomadski wrote:@ siegsoloyov

    No . To stop the war . Not start it . As a symbolic  retaliatory move  AFTER  the yanks start shock and awe or fire and fury. Some monument , can be taken out in big city . When it is closed to public . Using radar guided like Pershing . But this time it is long range . No casualties . Followed by nuke test on TV , in Iranian desert . Or over Indian  ocean . War will quickly stop . Millions of lives saved , including yank life .

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monuments_in_the_United_States


    Then TV shows nice picture in cinemascope and surround  sound .

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-1JFKU9fJfM

    Nothing but insanity if Iran sinks a carrier, it's war plain and SIMPLE.

    Russia and China at that point will not help them, the EU will abandon them.

    If you think Sinking a carrier will prevent war, Idk what kind of drugs you are on.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:44 am

    Iran does not need to target the US homeland. That is starting WWIII

    What are you saying?

    For Iran getting destroyed by an upset America and her allies might as well be WWIII as far as they are concerned... why should the US not feel the effects of the wars they love to spread around the place... why should Iran play nice on only attack US military targets in its region when the US is bound to hit all sorts Iranian civilian infrastructure... with military or economic attacks.

    Fuckem.

    Develop some bio weapons and have some fun in the US... give them anthrax and ebola and anything else you can manage...

    The US is a big open vulnerable target... lots of big damns and chemical storages and water supplies and power generation systems to target...

    They want to piss in everyone elses pool but enjoy a nice bath at the end of the day... hell no.

    It needs to sink a couple of US aircraft carriers and the mighty yanquis will
    change their tune. That is if they are still sane. If they go for a full extermination of Iran response, then that is leading to WWIII anyway. In this
    case the joy of total war should be brought to the US.

    Doing it that way means you will most likely miss your chance...

    I thought  about this problem of targeting  US mainland . Iran can not realistically  target mainland in  any significant  way , bar one . A psychological operation . Of hitting some landmarks.  By conventional weapon . This will have large political results . By mobilizing  public . Against war . If attack is small . And comes after a shock and awe operation against Iran . Then I believe the public in America will come to  " understand " this attack . . As justified revenge .  I tend to agree that , targets in the region should be hit first . But if war continiue and yanks hit civilian targets ( this , they will do )  , then it is justified .

    Civilian infrastructure is an easy target, but how about break in to one of their museums and burn their precious declaration of independence... there would be more targets than there are Iranian people...

    No . To stop the war . Not start it . As a symbolic  retaliatory move  AFTER  the yanks start shock and awe or fire and fury. Some monument , can be taken out in big city . When it is closed to public . Using radar guided like Pershing . But this time it is long range . No casualties . Followed by nuke test on TV , in Iranian desert . Or over Indian  ocean . War will quickly stop . Millions of lives saved , including yank life .

    Americans love war... the only way Americans stop war is when it drags on... even landing on the moon got boring for them... they are fucking children... but lots of body bags with American soldiers in them will create a peace movement in the US and the more places those bags are delivered the stronger the peace movement will become.

    It is the only way.

    Northern Iran is pro Russia. Southern Iran is pro US. In the case of an American invasion / 5th element civil war, Iran would be partitioned into two countries, a pro Russia northern Iran and a pro US southern Iran, just like how Ukraine was partitioned, Syria was partitioned, Georgia was partitioned, Moldova was partitioned. The US plan is to surround Russia with threats and divert Russia military all over the place and weaken Russia defenses.

    Rather simplistic... I doubt there are pro Russian let alone pro US regions in Iran... and when countries get partitioned those feelings can change radically.

    Irans best bet is to prepare for a serious conflict they will probably lose and expect to start with the closing of the gulf to push up the price of oil and to have to attack the ships that come to stop you.

    Anti ship missiles and ballistic missiles will be key... along with any torpedoes and mines you can deploy and use in the region to enforce your blockade.

    The US will do everything to maximise their advantages and to take advantage of your weaknesses and exploit them.

    Nothing but insanity if Iran sinks a carrier, it's war plain and SIMPLE.

    The US, Israel and Saudi Arabia are pushing for war anyway, what would be the difference... at least they will have provided some support for those claiming carriers are just targets...
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:27 am

    Agree with everything you said . The only difference in my thinking is TIMING . I think these severe attacks should come as retaliatory  response , in a gradual  , step by step process . Not a first strike by WMD  . I have no problem with biological weapons , as adjunct  or alternative to nukes . If they are easier to mass produce and launch with existing rockets . The key again is to display such warhead  . In right time to deter.  Rather than use them , as the yanks did against Iran . But then again payback time ......


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_biological_weapons_program

    The steps are :

    ( 1 ) Develop  ICBM .

    ( 2 ) Develop WMD warhead .

    ( 3 ) Close Hormuz .  ( one country at a time  )

    ( 4 ) Attack any force trying to break blockade .

    ( 5 )  If any country attack Iran soil , retaliate .  ( A symbolic strike at first , force display )

    ( 6 ) If they escalate  ( mass starvation , destruction of civilian infrastructures ),  respond proportionately  .
    Show WMD warhead on TV .

    ( 7 ) If they escalate , ( Genocide by WMD , or conventional  means extended blockade ) use WMD , on regional
    forces .

    ( 8 ) If they escalate , hitting civilian town and city with WMD ,  hit country with WMD .

    Under no circumstance , should Iran repeat the mistake of Iraq war . When they used WMD , Iran played the victim and lost countless lives and nearly  lost war . No more moral martyr  of the world !


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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:40 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:Well this took a strange turn, where's Pinto when you need him.


    What a joke... American thanking India for supporting their efforts to force Iran to act like a normal country with economic terrorism.

    Well Iran should look at American history and say, well if America is a normal country then Iran needs to do to America what America is currently doing to other countries... so burning sugar crops in Cuba, attempts at assassination in multiple countries, interference in elections, cyber attacks on the US and her allies.. Iran really needs to step up her game if she wants to be a normal country like that fat ass censored Pompeo demands right?

    Agree with everything you said . The only difference in my thinking is TIMING . I think these severe attacks should come as retaliatory response , in a gradual , step by step process . Not a first strike by WMD . I have no problem with biological weapons , as adjunct or alternative to nukes . If they are easier to mass produce and launch with existing rockets . The key again is to display such warhead . In right time to deter. Rather than use them , as the yanks did against Iran . But then again payback time ......

    Deliver them directly to the US... get some foot an mouth and spread it through their farms... get it into the soil... same with Anthrax... there are lots of diseases around the place that could be reignited in the US because they have been dealt with already and are not really considered a practical concern today.
    Even just starting fires in some regions during the middle of summer... contaminating water supplies... lots of vulnerable targets... when the Israelis do that shit they often use New Zealand pass ports but in the US I would suggest Israeli pass ports will get you through no problem...

    Go on American websites... their conservation websites will show you the sort of diseases they are afraid of spreading in their country... how could the Americans complain... they are currently supporting nazis in the Ukraine and ISIS in Syria...
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:26 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:Well this took a strange turn, where's Pinto when you need him.


    India's letting other countries decide who they can and can't have relations with, trade agreements with, and who they can and can't buy weapons from.
    The S-400 is a done deal but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't come to an agreement to scale down Russian purchases in the future. According to other sources India spent some time justifying to the US about how the S-400 was a neccessity because the Patriot didn't have the range and the THAAD couldn't hit aerodynamic targets.
    The US is openly speaking about the 'role' that it expects India to play.

    The Indian side refered to them not being able to 'wish away' defence ties with Russia. Interesting choice of words
    https://www.livemint.com/news/india/s-400-india-meets-us-waiver-criteria-can-t-wish-away-russia-ties-say-sources-1561480410207.html
    "We have a longstanding defence relationship with Russia which we cannot wish away," a source said.

    Why did India bother to leave the British Empire?
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:42 pm

    Iran should start by blockading the smaller  and weaker nations first . Force them to break the blockade . This has the net effect of turning them against the bigger force , the yanks  . A question  of balance of forces . Same things  as in Syria war . Unite with weaker against stronger . Then confront the strongest .
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:58 pm

    The GCC nations could build pipelines to Oman & the Red Sea coast, avoiding the Strait of Hormuz. 1 less problem for them, the oil shippers & importers. IMO, Iran needs to get closer with nuclear armed Pakistan & Russia to survive & avoid being bombed/partitioned.
    As the video I posted said, it'll be a hybrid war, just like in it was for decades in Afghanistan, L. America, some past Soviet republics, & Iraq.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:05 pm

    Russia should deploy armed forces to Iran and set up military bases in southern Iran. Southern Iran is pro America and in the case of an Iran civil war will be out of Tehran control just like Greater Idlib went out of Damascus control. Having the southern half of Iran out of Tehran control with American bases all over it would be bad for Russia. Compared to Greater Idlib, Southern Iran would be 10 times the headache for Russia.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:23 pm

    Russia should deploy armed forces to Iran and set up military bases in southern Iran.
    They don't have enough troops for that to make a difference, & it's against their constitution- revising it will itself cause more internal strife. If the population is anti-regime &/ pro-American there, it'll be like the Soviet experience in Afghanistan & French/American in S. Vietnam.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:28 pm

    Iran doesn't own the transit rights to the Hormuz straight if it blocks that off it's intruding on other countries sovereign waters which gives anyone rights to attack the blockade.

    The EU, Nor Russia or China will stand for Iran blocking that much oil traffic.

    The Hormuz straight isn't fully Iran's doing this gives countries right to attack them.

    So your entire point is moot.
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:39 pm

    @ultimatewarrior

    Russians may be able to use port facility or Airport facility in Iran . This happened once or twice in western Iran  regarding flight to Syria . I think this to be important for the fight in Syria . In case  Turkey closes the sea route . But there can be no permanent bases . They must come as guests or military trainers . In the same way , they can develop a port in Iran , the same as India is doing with Chahbahar port . For access to trade in Persian Gulf . This port can be under lease agreement and if attacked , Russia has right to protect it . I think Russians can be in Iran , their military training pilots and missile men . Iran will need more Mig29 pilots . This training takes  long time . Also Iran should purchase S400 . And do barter trade with Russia . Oil for goods .  Using Caspian route and Russian soil for land trade with China .Ofcourse Iran will still leave NPT .  And Russia must stay the course.


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:40 pm

    Well, The Indian's in a way choose not to leave and choose too many Indians didn't want to leave the Empire, just circumstances forced the British out.

    After WW2, The Brits where so weak economically they couldn't manage India anymore. Another factor, was Winston's party was voted out in 1945 after the war ended, it was replaced by a pro-independence Labour Party. Which voted right away for the independence of India.

    Subhash Chandra Bose who mobilized mutinies in the army and the navy which made it extremely hard for the British to deal with the problem and Gandhi's quit India movement in 1942 was effective but it alone did not cause this.

    At this point, the British weren't willing to force some parts of India back under submission. Most of India was still British aligned and even for decades after India remained under the UK's thumb.

    In the end, they had no choice but to leave India.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:57 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Russia should deploy armed forces to Iran and set up military bases in southern Iran.
    They don't have enough troops for that to make a difference, & it's against their constitution- revising it will itself cause more internal strife.  If the population is anti-regime &/ pro-American there, it'll be like the Soviet experience in Afghanistan & French/American in S. Vietnam.

    The populace will only rebel if they are given external support. Such as amphibious landing by Gulf armies setting up turf. Without that happening they won't rebel. That's why it's crucial for Russia to set up military base in southern Iran where the situation is vulnerable to 5th element.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:13 am

    Well.... from what i have seen, the U.S has only requested Indian support right now, i don't know whether India really gave their support yet.
    That's why i wanted more info from our guy on the ground, Pinto.

    UPDATE:
    Yea, it looks like they folded like a little B%tch, with their "diversifying supplies" nonsense.
    So much for the BRICS.
    Granted it's from CNN, so grains of salt gents.

    CNN wrote:London (CNN Business)US sanctions have forced a leading purchaser of Iranian crude exports to buy more oil from Saudi Arabia and the United States.
    Sanjiv Singh, head of state-run refiner Indian Oil Corporation, told CNN Business that "whatever supplies were coming from Iran, they were well distributed amongst other countries."
    Iran had been the third largest supplier of crude to India, which imports huge amounts of energy to fuel its growing economy. Iraq and Saudi Arabia were the only countries to export more to India.

    But India was forced to turn to other sources after the Trump administration imposed sanctions on Iranian oil exports.
    India was one of only eight countries granted a waiver that allowed it to keep buying oil from Tehran, but that reprieve expired on May 2.
    While India had said it would only recognize sanctions imposed by the United Nations, the country's petroleum minister said in April that it would source "additional supplies from other major oil producing countries."

    A spokesperson for India's Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas confirmed to CNN Business on Wednesday that the country has now ceased all imports of oil from Iran.
    Singh said on Wednesday that Indian Oil "wanted as many suppliers as possible" and that cutting off Iranian oil was a "collective decision" made with input from the government.
    "I'm sure it was in the interest of the country at the moment," he added.

    Relations between India and the United States have soured recently over trade, and New Delhi is likely to be wary about further upsetting its biggest export market.
    Other countries including Turkey have reportedly stopped oil imports from Iran, but the world's biggest buyer, China, is ignoring the US sanctions.

    China, which is engaged in a trade war with America, purchased $585 million worth of crude from Iran in May, according to Iran's semi-official Tasnim news agency, and Tehran expects to export even more to China in June.

    US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who is currently on a visit to India, said the sanctions were aimed at countering what he called Iran's "terror regime."
    "I think there is a shared understanding of threat and a common purpose to ensure to keep energy at the right price and deter this threat," he told reporters in New Delhi on Wednesday.
    India's foreign minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar said that Pompeo was "very receptive" to India's concerns about global energy supplies.

    "He understands that this is today the world's fifth largest economy, which imports 85% of its energy ... he gets what our interests are," Jaishankar added.
    Singh said India is likely to become more even reliant on other countries for its energy needs.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/26/business/indian-oil-us-iran-sanctions/index.html


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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:26 am

    Iran doesn't own the transit rights to the Hormuz straight if it blocks that off it's intruding on other countries sovereign waters which gives anyone rights to attack the blockade.

    They can simply declare a military training operation with live ammunition for the ongoing future... all civilian and military traffic is to halt while these exercises take place...

    Live mines are going to be used for training purposes for laying and detection and practise removal so all international shipping is asked to remain out of the area...

    The EU, Nor Russia or China will stand for Iran blocking that much oil traffic.

    Why should Iran care... if they can't help Iran deal with the bully America and Israel and Saudi Arabia, then what good are they to Iran?

    Russia doesn't need oil from the gulf, and they can supply China with as much as it needs to replace any lost oil capacity... and screw the EU... we wouldn't be in this situation if they had a spine... they are expecting Iran to accept both economic sanctions and demands not to develop nuclear weapons... well they can't have both.

    The Hormuz straight isn't fully Iran's doing this gives countries right to attack them.

    A very narrow very vulnerable stretch of water... which countries will line up to fight?

    Especially when a wide range of anti ship missiles turn up on Iranian beaches...

    Well.... from what i have seen, the U.S has only requested Indian support right now, i don't know whether India really gave their support yet.
    That's why i wanted more info from our guy on the ground, Pinto.

    Exactly... India didn't even drop the new tarrifs that Trump demanded they drop... that title was misleading... it is more about what America thinks of the situation than what India are actually saying.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:09 am

    Why should Iran care because without their support it's doomed.

    You cannot declare a training exercise in the Hormuz straight.

    Many countries will, that's fucking with the world's economy, and Isreal and Saudi Arabia would have a field day without that.

    Iran Sinks any ships with anti-ship missiles, they sign their death warrant has a government.

    Do not talk to me about matters you do not understand Garry.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:43 am

    You cannot declare a training exercise in the Hormuz straight.

    You cannot bully the entire planet to do as you demand, but the US seems to be trying.

    Iran Sinks any ships with anti-ship missiles, they sign their death warrant has a government.

    Or shoots down a UAV perhaps?

    Trump seems both keen for war yet not prepared to take opportunities presented to him... maybe it is not as clear cut as you want to make out... maybe Iran isn't actually totally in the shit seat... and BTW that death warrant was signed years ago... they are just waiting for a chance to deliver it... both Saddam and OBL took ages... but I think the Iranians are made of sterner stuff...

    Do not talk to me about matters you do not understand Garry.

    I didn't realise I was talking to you.

    But while I am, I am curious... being a terrorist supporting super US special forces soldier hero, why do you come to this forum... this hotbed of your enemies, who tell you you are making a small part of the world even worse than it already is just on the whim of assholes in Washington who are largely doing it out of spite towards Russia and anyone who even suggests they are not the bad guy.

    Surely there are forums around the place where you would be worshipped as the worlds last defence against communism and all that bullshit.

    Too late... the feeling has passed and I don't really care any more... carry on.
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    Post  auslander on Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:56 am

    GarryB "I didn't realise I was talking to you.
    But while I am, I am curious... being a terrorist supporting super US special forces soldier hero, why do you come to this forum... this hotbed of your enemies, who tell you you are making a small part of the world even worse than it already is just on the whim of assholes in Washington who are largely doing it out of spite towards Russia and anyone who even suggests they are not the bad guy.
    Surely there are forums around the place where you would be worshipped as the worlds last defence against communism and all that bullshit.
    Too late... the feeling has passed and I don't really care any more... carry on."

    Garry, our boy 'seig' is just a keyboard warrior passing around great heaps of bovine scatology. I've always had my suspicions about him and last year he typed something that very clearly told me exactly what he is and since then, whilst reading some of what he spews from his finger is comedy, he's been on my short list of crap screaming wannahbe's.
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    Post  crod on Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:57 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    Do not talk to me about matters you do not understand Garry.

    There i was thinking this was a forum for chat and discussions.

    You never did get around to proving you are who you say you are. The real vets in the US make mince of your type - the spoofers. That's all you are - someone with a bot collecting twitter and news feeds and putting dribble together.

    As Garry points out, why would you even be on here.

    You sad prick.
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    Post  auslander on Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:57 am

    Crud, I'm of the age that back when I was single and living in US, even in my 50's I couldn't walk in to a bar without some clown sitting at the bar and pontificating about his 'experiences' in 'the nam' or 'in country', coming up for air and looking at me only to announce to all that 'he had to have been there' etc etc etc.. According to them, they each killed about a kazzilion 'gooks' each. If so, how did 'we' lose? And when Brand X is shooting at you when you leave, you lost.

    So, years ago I came up with a little test to separate the wheat from the chaff. If pushed I'd say I was in support, never saw combat and such, but I would tell them I vaguely remembered my familiarization with Comrade Kalashnikov's Ode to World Peace but I'd forgotten which side of the receiver housing the mag release button was on. Gave 'em a 50% chance of being correct on the first guess. Worked every time, not a one could guess correctly.

    Those who have been there and done that never brag, they don't even talk about it except to very close friends.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:17 am

    Clever, but I am soon to hand my chinese copy of the AKM back to nanny state and know that is a trick question... the AK doesn't have a mag release button, it has a lever in front of the trigger guard behind the mag.

    In fact for some time I have lamented the stupid laws regarding large magazines because the new shorter 7 shot magazines makes it much much harder to use.

    With a 30 round mag you have a decent sized magazine to grab and hold while you operate the magazine release lever with your thumb... either hand and either thumb will do... but with the small mags there is nothing to grab so you essentially need to hold the rifle between your arm and body and hold the little mag with one hand and with the other move the lever release to free the magazine... pain in the ass.

    My experience with real vets... these from WWII BTW, generally they don't like to talk about it because most of the time they lost some very good friends and had to do things they are certainly not proud of. War is hell... have never been and no wish to go and would not wish that on anyone and I am totally disgusted by the leadership of the united states of america and her population and allies that seem so keen to start them.

    I guess when you own a lawn mower you want to cut grass...

    I am a product of the first world... never been to war and my biggest worry is that I am not allow military style weapons in my private ownership collection.

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