Ghadir OTH radar.
Optical observation post.
magnumcromagnon wrote:crod wrote:medo wrote:
Surely those great big structures would be amongst the first to be destroyed though?
So I'm guessing you don't understand the purpose of OTH radars?
crod wrote:magnumcromagnon wrote:crod wrote:medo wrote:
Surely those great big structures would be amongst the first to be destroyed though?
So I'm guessing you don't understand the purpose of OTH radars?
Yeah sure I do, but it being a prize asset I’d envisage a huge amount of ordnance been thrown at to such an extent all the early warning wouldn’t make a blind bit of difference because there quite frankly wouldn’t be enough missile batteries to protect it. After all, only one needs to slip to through and direct hit for to be useless for the remainder of the conflict.
The range of the new surveillance extends well beyond the S-300 strike distance of 200 kilometres, and covers US drone and aircraft bases on the Arabian peninsula, as well as US warships in (and under) the Persian Gulf and off the Gulf of Oman. Early warning of US air and naval-launched attacks has now been cut below the old 4 to 6-minute Iranian threshold. Counter-firing by the Iranian armed forces has been automated from attack warning and target location.
Helmer: Russia Has Bolstered Iran’s Air Defenses With Technical Advisers
nomadski wrote:With this radar, I said , it should be mobile . Like other radar . The towers on wheels or collapsible. The control room also mobile . Once warning given , tow away to new location in under five minutes . Set up again . They complained that I was talking bullcrap . The cruise by GPS , can not work . And TV guided cruise also difficult . Search area too big .
The trick to capture their missiles and aircraft in air defence net , is to display false radar location and signal in advance , and allow passageways for them to " manoeuvre" in . Like 007 . Then put real radar in the gaps . Hidden .
Their attack will be ineffective. All important facility in bunkers . Underground . But civilian facility is vulnerable . Dams and power and communication systems . All civilian . Above ground . They hit Iraq water and telephone .
Yes in very long symmetric war , they have more resources . But to exhaust Iran defences will take many months or years . By that time , even their dogs will be dying of thirst for oil . So they will " obliterate " . Probably with small tactical nuke . That is why Iran needs detterent too .
Here is " dalek " Donald Mc Donald Trump : " destroy ....destroy ....kill...kill...choke ...suffocate ...strangulate ...obliterate ....exterminate ....exterminate ....!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mxD-5z_xHBU
kvs wrote:nomadski wrote:With this radar, I said , it should be mobile . Like other radar . The towers on wheels or collapsible. The control room also mobile . Once warning given , tow away to new location in under five minutes . Set up again . They complained that I was talking bullcrap . The cruise by GPS , can not work . And TV guided cruise also difficult . Search area too big .
The trick to capture their missiles and aircraft in air defence net , is to display false radar location and signal in advance , and allow passageways for them to " manoeuvre" in . Like 007 . Then put real radar in the gaps . Hidden .
Their attack will be ineffective. All important facility in bunkers . Underground . But civilian facility is vulnerable . Dams and power and communication systems . All civilian . Above ground . They hit Iraq water and telephone .
Yes in very long symmetric war , they have more resources . But to exhaust Iran defences will take many months or years . By that time , even their dogs will be dying of thirst for oil . So they will " obliterate " . Probably with small tactical nuke . That is why Iran needs detterent too .
Here is " dalek " Donald Mc Donald Trump : " destroy ....destroy ....kill...kill...choke ...suffocate ...strangulate ...obliterate ....exterminate ....exterminate ....!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mxD-5z_xHBU
Mobility without concealment is not much of a tactic. In the arid lands of the Middle East the yanquis can track Iranian asset movements. Iran's only option
is to have SAMs to defend such radar sites and that is actually the proper approach. If you prevent the yanquis from taking out such assets in the first round
of attack, then their whole air superiority shtick begins to fall apart. They can keep sending rounds of air attacks but will lose too many aircraft. That brings
up the other all-important detail: Iran's SAMs need to be able to do the job. Instead of selling the S-400 to Turkey, Russia should have sold it to Iran. The
S-300 is good, but the S-400 is better.
ATLASCUB wrote:There is a limit to the level of damage Turkey may theoretically impose on Russia before Erdogan gets a call. Ties with Russia today are extensive and deep. Turkey has more in its plate with the Kurds on the North-East and patching up U.S relations + working out the Mediterranean jigzag puzzle than infuriating Russia above a threshold. Idlib is nothing, except their anchor in Syria as a stakeholder.
kvs wrote:ATLASCUB wrote:There is a limit to the level of damage Turkey may theoretically impose on Russia before Erdogan gets a call. Ties with Russia today are extensive and deep. Turkey has more in its plate with the Kurds on the North-East and patching up U.S relations + working out the Mediterranean jigzag puzzle than infuriating Russia above a threshold. Idlib is nothing, except their anchor in Syria as a stakeholder.
Iran is vastly more vital for Russia's security than Idlib. Iran is the Shi'ite bulwark against the Wahabbi terrorists who run Saudi Arabia and their NATO patrons.
It is clear that NATO wants to install another Shah in Iran and Russia must prevent this scenario. Having a NATO outpost in the Caspian is not a good thing
for Russia. They can position their Trojan "ABM" systems (aka nuclear IRBMs) in Iran and penetrate deeper into Russia's interior. This is NATO's wet dream.
Anyway, Iran has developed its own S-300 variants that ain't too shabby and recently demonstrated that they were immune to US EW attacks. This is why
Trumpy backed down. No American sock puppet president has ever had a real conscience stopping the slaughter of foreign untermenschen.
No American sock puppet president has ever had a real conscience stopping the slaughter of foreign untermenschen.
nomadski wrote:@ GarryB
Agree . Visual and radar stealth should be used to hide ground equipment , from AWACS and sattelite observation . As well as keeping equipment mobile . To guard against all GPS weapons .
Ten or twelve symbolic target in USA , one per major city ( use ICBM with conventional warhead ) will prove very useful indeed . Do this BEFORE doing a nuke test on TV .
kvs wrote:nomadski wrote:@ GarryB
Agree . Visual and radar stealth should be used to hide ground equipment , from AWACS and sattelite observation . As well as keeping equipment mobile . To guard against all GPS weapons .
Ten or twelve symbolic target in USA , one per major city ( use ICBM with conventional warhead ) will prove very useful indeed . Do this BEFORE doing a nuke test on TV .
Iran does not need to target the US homeland. That is starting WWIII. It needs to sink a couple of US aircraft carriers and the mighty yanquis will
change their tune. That is if they are still sane. If they go for a full extermination of Iran response, then that is leading to WWIII anyway. In this
case the joy of total war should be brought to the US. No village in America should be safe from annihilation. These people need to learn the consequences
of their ignorant actions and that they are not invincible and invulnerable.
Regular wrote:kvs wrote:nomadski wrote:@ GarryB
Agree . Visual and radar stealth should be used to hide ground equipment , from AWACS and sattelite observation . As well as keeping equipment mobile . To guard against all GPS weapons .
Ten or twelve symbolic target in USA , one per major city ( use ICBM with conventional warhead ) will prove very useful indeed . Do this BEFORE doing a nuke test on TV .
Iran does not need to target the US homeland. That is starting WWIII. It needs to sink a couple of US aircraft carriers and the mighty yanquis will
change their tune. That is if they are still sane. If they go for a full extermination of Iran response, then that is leading to WWIII anyway. In this
case the joy of total war should be brought to the US. No village in America should be safe from annihilation. These people need to learn the consequences
of their ignorant actions and that they are not invincible and invulnerable.
I'm ok with mixed race Amerimutts eating nuclear dirt, but Iran is incapable of such retribution. Russia is only nation on earth capable of US annihilation and Russian officials, their kids and Putin himself has more interest in US to harm them.