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    Could Titanic have avoided the glancing blow with the Iceberg if they had used her powerful engines and not just the rudder?

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    Post  Aristide on Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:14 am

    Some friends and i talked about that topic and i think its quite interesting.

    Titanic and her two sister ships had a hybrid propulsion system.

    Two massive steam engines powered the left and right propeller while the central propeller was powered by a turbine.


    Could Titanic have avoided the glancing blow with the Iceberg if they had used her powerful engines and not just the rudder? ?format=1000w

    The central propeller which was powered by the turbine could only run forward and not reverse thrust.

    When Officer Murdoch spotted the Iceberg he ordered the rudder hard to starboard, stopped the central propeller and gave order to full reverse thrust on the left and right propeller.

    This was the standard maneuveur for an Olympic-Class liner (Olympic, Titanic, Britannic) to avoid an collission.

    The problem is, that the ability to turn slows down when the ship reverses thrust. Its momentum decreases and so it turns slower.

    Titanic almost avoided the impact but the glancing blow she got proved fatal and created the worst damage possible. Over 5 compartments got damaged. The ship was very well designed and its 4 compartment standard surpasses even today standards (today a ship must stay afloat whn 2 compartments are flodded, Titanic could still stay afloat with 4 compartments flooded). In Titanics case 5 compartments were flodded, which made her sinking a mathematical certainity.

    Experts say a better order would have been, if Murdoch had not reversed thrust. Titanic then would have turned faster and most likely avoided impact or in worst case had 2 or 3 compartments damaged.

    But Titanics propulsion system would allow a very complex order.

    You could stop the left and central propeller and let the right propeller continue at full power to run forward + the rudder hard starboard. The one sided power output would push the liner drastical out of the way.

    The hardest way would be to let the left propelelr run full power backwards and the right full power forward.

    Such orders would have been pretty complex for teh giving time frame though. Captain Smith has been known to play the complex propulsion system quite well. Unfortnately he was not on the bridge when the collission happened.


    So what you think?
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    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:18 am

    Aristide wrote:Some friends and i talked about that topic and i think its quite interesting.

    Titanic and her two sister ships had a hybrid propulsion system.

    Two massive steam engines powered the left and right propeller while the central propeller was powered by a turbine.


    Could Titanic have avoided the glancing blow with the Iceberg if they had used her powerful engines and not just the rudder? ?format=1000w

    The central propeller which was powered by the turbine could only run forward and not reverse thrust.

    When Officer Murdoch spotted the Iceberg he ordered the rudder hard to starboard, stopped the central propeller and gave order to full reverse thrust on the left and right propeller.

    This was the standard maneuveur for an Olympic-Class liner (Olympic, Titanic, Britannic) to avoid an collission.

    The problem is, that the ability to turn slows down when the ship reverses thrust. Its momentum decreases and so it turns slower.

    Titanic almost avoided the impact but the glancing blow she got proved fatal and created the worst damage possible. Over 5 compartments got damaged. The ship was very well designed and its 4 compartment standard surpasses even today standards (today a ship must stay afloat whn 2 compartments are flodded, Titanic could still stay afloat with 4 compartments flooded). In Titanics case 5 compartments were flodded, which made her sinking a mathematical certainity.

    Experts say a better order would have been, if Murdoch had not reversed thrust. Titanic then would have turned faster and most likely avoided impact or in worst case had 2 or 3 compartments damaged.

    But Titanics propulsion system would allow a very complex order.

    You could stop the left and central propeller and let the right propeller continue at full power to run forward + the rudder hard starboard. The one sided power output would push the liner drastical out of the way.

    The hardest way would be to let the left propelelr run full power backwards and the right full power forward.

    Such orders would have been pretty complex for teh giving time frame though. Captain Smith has been known to play the complex propulsion system quite well. Unfortnately he was not on the bridge when the collission happened.


    So what you think?

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:47 pm

    And if the concord didn't have to share air port runways with old American crappy aircraft that are falling apart it might still be in operation today...

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    Post  DerWolf on Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:09 pm

    And if my aunt had balls, she would me my uncle.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:01 am

    If America was a island or set of islands it would be Great Britain.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:09 am

    Sorry to hear your Aunt can't see Derwolf...
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    Post  Aristide on Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:21 am

    Well i know you all come from countries thst dont build ships which combine great size with speed.

    France does though and that theory has practical points for us. France does build ocean liners and ours too have a tripple or even quadrouple propulsion systems.

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