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    What type of system would be best to supress large uprisings and patroll large teritorries?

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    What type of system would be best to supress large uprisings and patroll large teritorries?

    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:36 pm

    I was just wondering what would be the best choice of vehicle to patroll conquered territories.

    Ideally one could have a flying heli carrier with heavy artillery underneath but that would not really be practical.


    Any ideas?

    Maybe some sort of large nuclear powered helicopter?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:29 pm


    It's a classic for a reason Very Happy
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:59 am

    Nothing undermines a protest rally like a sex bomb that turns it into a massive uncontrolled gay orgy.... yuk... when the effect wears off the men who don't kill themselves will go home in shame immediately...
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:31 am

    thats not very Russian.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:17 pm

    It is super Russian... if you set one off in san francisco they wouldn't be ashamed at all... they would probably make it a yearly event...

    That is probably why the only known development is American because they know their own liberal country would be immune... well there is the bible belt that would likely not enjoy it but they would probably be just as happy to eliminate them as they would the Russians...
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:28 pm

    and get a nuclear response 30 minutes later.

    Now can someone give a serous answer for god sake I Have niether a dozen spare keyboards nor a waterproof keyboard and I hate cleaning up half digested food.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:39 am

    What level of defences will the enemy have?

    I would suggest airships of course... enormous airships, nuclear powered with a one thousand ton payload that could operate continuously... using dehumidifiers it could generate its own water ballast from thin air and with that water it could separate the hydrogen and the oxygen using electricity generated from solar panels or the nuclear power plant... the hydrogen and oxygen could be then used as lifting gas when needed or propellent for gas powered grenade launchers for firing projectiles of all types on unruly groups below. Such projectors would not be as high velocity as chemical propellent cannon, but just scooping up the necessary propellant when needed from the environment is more politically correct and ecologically sensitive.

    The water could be kept as water for ballast, which would also be useful for putting out fires or watering crops or unruly crowds...

    It could be used as a command centre that was highly mobile and offer ideal visual and radar vantage points in any given situation.

    It would be fully mobile with electric motors to propel it around the place.

    It could also be used as a cruise ship type vehicle as well...

    It would need some sort of defences from UCAVs that the enemy might decide to launch at it...
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:02 am

    Enemy teck level would be bassicaly that of US civvies with maybe some salvadged military hardware that somehow evaded destruction or confiscation so nothing heavy.

    Most likely the a large amount of semi to full aout converstions of civvie rifles,hamomade smoothbore SMGs,technicals but fewer HMGs and various
    primative improvised gadgets suicide drones ect.


    As for your idea that sound about right, Although one would most certainly want (assuming one is Russian and not some retard trying to come up with a flashy presentation) some long range artillery, a vessel like that would want to stay as far away from the enemy as possible.

    Also scrap the solar pannels they are just usless weight where you least want it and since you already have an onboard NPP they are completely irrelevant.


    But I wonder is such a vessel possible? It should not be to mutch of a challeng to Russian designers to come up with some form of low recoiling artillery that does not blow a hole in the wall behind it, some kind of counterbalance like system firing rocket assisted glide bombs maybe?

    But could they build an ariship big enough?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:05 pm

    Why artillery?

    An airship was the first strategic bomber... in WWI...

    A modern airship could carry enormous weights of bombs and you could climb to any altitude you want to give them any level of velocity you need for penetrating ground cover... you could have ten FOABs or MOABs or whatever, plus hundreds of smaller bombs for various uses... from 2.5kgs through 10kgs, 20kgs, 100kgs, 250kgs, 500kgs, 1,000kgs, 1,500kgs, 3,000kgs, 5,000kgs, 9,000kgs, and then FOAB sized bombs... you could carry some as ballast... remain above 3km altitude and small arms fire wont be an issue.

    High power optics and various radar and night vision systems and you will literally be the eye in the sky, with the ability to obliterate anything you want.

    Running a dehumidifier to generate water means you can generate new ballast as you drop the bombs... you could operate inside rain clouds for the purpose... then fly to a friendly base and swap the water ballast for more bombs...

    Dropping really big bombs or large numbers of smaller bombs and you can deflate a few hydrogen bags to stop the airship leaping up to a much higher altitude...

    You could put it through a fuel cell and create water ballast so you lose lift and create weight at the same time would be the ideal way to compensate for the release of a few large bombs... having a fuel cell and large water ballast tanks and a dehumidifier gives precision control of lift on the air ship...
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:44 pm

    GarryB wrote:Why artillery?

    An airship was the first strategic bomber... in WWI...

    A modern airship could carry enormous weights of bombs and you could climb to any altitude you want to give them any level of velocity you need for penetrating ground cover... you could have ten FOABs or MOABs or whatever, plus hundreds of smaller bombs for various uses... from 2.5kgs through 10kgs, 20kgs, 100kgs, 250kgs, 500kgs, 1,000kgs, 1,500kgs, 3,000kgs, 5,000kgs, 9,000kgs, and then FOAB sized bombs... you could carry some as ballast... remain above 3km altitude and small arms fire wont be an issue.

    Yes however, an airship will have a rather low maximuim speed as it is very large has to be made out of ulra lightwieght materials rather than materials that would be more durable.

    Having low speeds it would just not be practical unless your enemy relies primarily on large fortified super bases in whitch case you have the Smerch,Iskander and your nukes to erase it.

    Any resistance force that could pop up after a total Russian victory would have to be highly mobile in order to survive 10 miunutes and I just don't see a big slow bomber airship being able to resopond rapidly enough to deal with the threat, by the time it gets there they will just run into the nearest civilian settlement and wait as you circle round them unable to do anything about it.

    With low recoil 152mm guns firing rocket assisted glide bombs you the airship could fly to an altatude of 5km and easily fire guided munitions out to well over 100km thus exterminating the rebels without giving civilians reason to join them and keeping a good political image.

    If thats too mutch to read just play one of thoes damned c&c games, build a bunch of Kirovs and try and use them on mobile units. You will quicly realise why a bomber airship may not be the best choice.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:00 am

    Yes however, an airship will have a rather low maximuim speed as it is very large has to be made out of ulra lightwieght materials rather than materials that would be more durable.

    You are probably looking at a max speed of perhaps 80-100km/h at best but how fast does it need to be?

    Properly designed you should be able to take advantage of wind so ground speed could potentially be 80-100km/h plus wind speed.

    Modern materials like carbon fibre and fibreglass and other modern strong materials could make it the strongest airship ever built... in fact modern mathematics and computer design you could design an expandable structure that allows it to get bigger to increase the number of lifting gas bags you could fill to get more lift at the expense of slightly increased drag, while when operating at lower weights you could contract the structure and reduce the size to reduce drag and the amount of ballast you need to carry to stay buoyant...


    Having low speeds it would just not be practical unless your enemy relies primarily on large fortified super bases in whitch case you have the Smerch,Iskander and your nukes to erase it.

    Hang on... what are you wanting... I thought the requirement was a vehicle for patrolling captured territory with a generally hostile population... any land vehicle you develop could be slowed down with barricades and never reach speeds much beyond 50km/h... and of course there is the risk of IEDs and land mines to worry about. Aircraft of conventional types like helos or planes have very limited endurance and would not be able to hover over one location for days or weeks offering support.

    If you set the operational altitude of the airship at 5-6km, then there is very little most civilians could do from the ground... small arms... even 50 cal rifles wont reach, and nor will captured MANPADS like Stinger.... very simply the airship would not have the IR signature to get a lock with an IR guided missile anyway so even ground launched Sidewinders wont work... electric motors don't generate anywhere near enough heat for a lock...

    To herd the cattle an airship would be ideal.

    Any resistance force that could pop up after a total Russian victory would have to be highly mobile in order to survive 10 miunutes and I just don't see a big slow bomber airship being able to resopond rapidly enough to deal with the threat, by the time it gets there they will just run into the nearest civilian settlement and wait as you circle round them unable to do anything about it.

    Lessons from Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria show air power can't win a war on its own, but when used together with ground forces it can make all the difference.

    A ground force moves in to an enemy held area... they can form up and defend... and get obliterated from the sky by air power, or they can remain in little groups and be mopped up by ground forces, or they can run away... with aircraft and helos chasing them.

    With active colour camouflage people on the ground might not even know the airship is even there... it is just that occasionally important things like weapon caches and HQs suddenly explode...


    With low recoil 152mm guns firing rocket assisted glide bombs you the airship could fly to an altatude of 5km and easily fire guided munitions out to well over 100km thus exterminating the rebels without giving civilians reason to join them and keeping a good political image.

    If the target is small groups or individuals then a 152mm gun is overkill whether it is low velocity or not.

    The entire top of the airship could be flat and used for takeoff and landing of UCAVs... keep it always pointing into the wind whether the airship is stationary or moving... a few UCAVs armed with Shturm missiles, a 40mm grenade launcher, and up to 50kg bombs should be plenty to fly around chasing down elusive targets.

    BTW I am not suggesting the Airship is the only tool in the shed... a full range of fixed and rotary winged manned and unmanned aircraft would also be necessary too.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:01 am

    If thats too mutch to read just play one of thoes damned c&c games, build a bunch of Kirovs and try and use them on mobile units. You will quicly realise why a bomber airship may not be the best choice.

    Never played those games but would assume that having an airship type vehicle in a WWII type battlespace would leave the airship pretty vulnerable to enemy airpower without a serious anti aircraft force to protect it...
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:30 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Never played those games but would assume that having an airship type vehicle in a WWII type battlespace would leave the airship pretty vulnerable to enemy airpower without a serious anti aircraft force to protect it...

    Yea well thoes games are made by retard who leave out Soviet artillery so its no wonder that they think airships should have the survivability of superheavy tanks.

    Anyway maybe it would be best to have both artillery and bomber/carrier airships.

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