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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:42 pm

    Hole wrote:Maybe Rostec should start a new airline and buy just russian planes.
    well this is exactly what the second article linked is about
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    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:33 pm

    Russian corporation plans to manufacture 6 MC-21 planes in 2021 and 12 in 2022

    https://tass.com/economy/1092827
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    Post  Austin on Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:05 pm

    Authorities Charge Captain in Crash of Aeroflot Superjet

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2019-12-03/authorities-charge-captain-crash-aeroflot-superjet
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    Post  Austin on Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:05 pm

    Repair of the hot part of the SaM146 engine by 2021 will be localized in Russia to 55%

    https://www.aex.ru/news/2019/12/6/205707/
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    Post  Austin on Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:09 pm

    Kolyma Aviation received the first of the ordered TVS-2MS aircraft

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/127934/
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:49 am

    Kolyma Aviation received the first of the ordered TVS-2MS aircraft

    Why do they show photos of that model aircraft... I thought the new version didn't have bracing wires nor separate struts to stress the lower and upper wing...


    They show this photo:

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    When this aircraft is supposed to look like this:

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    Post  Austin on Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:04 am

    GarryB wrote:When this aircraft is supposed to look like this:

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    This aircraft is the all composite TVS-2DTS suppose to be expensive compared to metal variant TVS-2MS
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:27 am

    How boring... Sad
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    Post  Firebird on Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:03 pm

    GarryB wrote:How boring...  Sad

    I suspect its down to maintenance issues. Carbon fibre and all that are very difficult to repair.
    The old, rugged stuff is far easier to maintain. Esp when you are 1000s of miles from anywhere and anyone with technical knowledge of composite materials repair.
    And that was the beauty of the An-2.
    An-2 and its replacement are pragmatic and practical. If you want something pretty and poncey - buy a Cessa Citation or whatever.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:35 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    GarryB wrote:How boring...  Sad

    I suspect its down to maintenance issues. Carbon fibre and all that are very difficult to repair.
    The old, rugged stuff  is far easier to maintain. Esp when you are 1000s of miles from anywhere and anyone with technical knowledge of composite materials repair.
    And that was the beauty of the An-2.
    An-2 and its replacement are pragmatic and practical. If you want something pretty and poncey - buy a Cessa Citation or whatever.

    Well, a perfect solution does not exist... it is always a compromise... composites have several advantages, but also many limitations in comparison to metals. Especially if they want to build not expensive and easy to maintain aircrafts that need to operate in remote areas...

    The other problem for this aircraft is that no russian engine exists. The current engine is an american turboprop with 1000 hp (about 750kW). The Let-410 will have two russian engines VK-800 with 800/850 hp. Two other turboshafts in development (from which a turboprop could be derived) are in the 550-650hp range and around 1600hp. In addition, there is probably the need for a 4000 hp engine. It is possible that a russian engine with 1000hp will emerge in the future, but now it is not the priority...
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:16 am

    Composites often delaminate when they fail so normally you replace rather than repair unless it is a puncture damage situation.

    Perhaps what they need are more durable composites that are better suited to cold temperatures or a wider temperature range... and they certainly need new engines...

    They need to make the design more modular and easier to repair and support in the field...
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    Post  Austin on Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:56 pm

    Turboprop regional aircraft based on the L-610 should not cost more than $ 10 million

    https://aviation21.ru/turbovintovoj-regionalnyj-samolyot-na-baze-l-610-ne-dolzhen-stoit-bolee-10-mln/
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    Post  PhSt on Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:14 am

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    Post  Austin on Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:09 am

    First PD-14-powered MC-21 Takes Shape

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2019-12-10/first-pd-14-powered-mc-21-takes-shape
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    Post  flamming_python on Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:16 pm

    Austin wrote:Turboprop regional aircraft based on the L-610 should not cost more than $ 10 million

    https://aviation21.ru/turbovintovoj-regionalnyj-samolyot-na-baze-l-610-ne-dolzhen-stoit-bolee-10-mln/

    Czech aircraft again?

    What is the obsession with them?

    The Czechs are part of the EU, it's a hostile bloc. In case of economic warfare or serious tensions, all their companies will have to abide by whatever sanctions regimes. No more joint-production, no more spare parts.

    I can understand buying Airbuses and Boeings, where Russia is not able to offer competition for now, and Russia also supplies them titanium parts and R&D to make co-operation a 2-way street; but surely the An-2 developments offer an alternative to the Let aircraft.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:43 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Austin wrote:Turboprop regional aircraft based on the L-610 should not cost more than $ 10 million

    https://aviation21.ru/turbovintovoj-regionalnyj-samolyot-na-baze-l-610-ne-dolzhen-stoit-bolee-10-mln/

    Czech aircraft again?

    What is the obsession with them?

    The Czechs are part of the EU, it's a hostile bloc. In case of economic warfare or serious tensions, all their companies will have to abide by whatever sanctions regimes. No more joint-production, no more spare parts.

    I can understand buying Airbuses and Boeings, where Russia is not able to offer competition for now, and Russia also supplies them titanium parts and R&D to make co-operation a 2-way street; but surely the An-2 developments offer an alternative to the Let aircraft.

    It is a totally different class of aircraft, and basically a smaller an-140.

    Furthermore the czech manufacturer is owned by a Russian company, and the Let-610 design will be used only as a starting point. From what I understood this will result in a Russian owned design (with a new designation) that will be built in Russia almost entirely from Russian components (engines included).
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:04 pm


    TsAGI completed tests of the model of the Russian-Chinese widebody

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    In Zhukovsky, the next stage of wind tunnel experiments was completed under the program of the Russian-Chinese wide-body long-range CR929 aircraft, which is jointly created by PJSC United Aircraft Corporation and China Civil Aircraft Corporation. This was reported by the press service of FSUE TsAGI.

    For the first time in our practice, it became possible to compare the test results of the same model in transonic aerodynamic installations of several countries,” said Anton Gorbushin, head of the laboratory of the research complex for aerodynamics and flight dynamics of aircraft TsAGI.


    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201912121734-TdBsR.html

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