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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:36 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    Another ceasefire. Won't hold but more delays as usual.

    Putin better wrap those Su-35 sales by MAKS19 end.... lol1

    It have been that way always...

    1)cease fire announced by Syrian army and Russia..
    2)Rebels break it and try to bomb SAA and Russia positions...
    3)SAA and Russian airforce retaliate at the terrorist
    4)and Repeat #1 again..

    With this clever policy , SAA have been able to recover all territory losses in Syria
    since Russia came.. albeit at a very slow pace... with the advantage of not provoking
    a major conflict ,beyond Syrian borders..

    .. So is very likely the Terrorist will continue fighting,
    regroup and start a massive advance to retake some cities lost.. SAA depending on the
    risk could hold or do a tactical retreat.... while Russian airforce massacre their advance..
    they flee and SAA Chase them and capture a bit more territory in response. The SAA does
    3 step forward and 2 step back and repeat.. as long they can keep their casualties much lower than the terrorist ,and low losses in armor and tanks.. then is a win for SAA.

    Like i said before For Russia , capturing IDLIB only benefit is to stop the drones attacks on its base..but they could care less about IDLIB , only Syria government cares. but is NOT in Russian interest that terrorist move to another country ,or move to Russia undercover and start targeting civilians in Russia as revenge.. For Russia the most ideal scenario ,will be
    to kill literary millions of radicals extremist in IDLIB when they go out in the open desert..
    as IDLIB is ,and not have to fight them inside cities.. hiding behind civilians.

    In fact for SYria government it will not be a big deal ,if Turkey invade all kurds zones they took away from Syria.. that will allow to disarm the kurds , because they will flee under the protection of SAA.. and after that Syria and Russia can recover all North of Syria again without firing a bullet through diplomatic means ,when Erdogan is no longer in power and a more constructive Leader to Syria gets in power.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:44 am

    With such a rapid move forward there is a very good chance that there are groups of terrorist now behind the SAA's lines, especially as many fled south. This is a chance to flush them out.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:30 am

    Gee. I don't recall any self imposed ceasefire was given to Hitler. Russians are so strange with these self imposed ceasefires.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:41 am

    Russia should not do another offensive until Orion E is deployed. Orion E will end the war within weeks without martyring any SAA soldier.

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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:42 am

    Appears to be long range artillery. Smerch or at the least Uragan.

    https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/1167896813359132673
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:58 pm

    T-72 tank fitted with thermal sight at the 0:53 mark and Fagot / Faktoria at the 1:01 mark



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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:02 pm

    Strange. No mention of this hit by the US yesterday here yet.

    Some three hours ago an air- or missile strike in Syria's Idleb governorate hit a meeting of leaders of the al-Qaeda aligned Haras-al-Din and Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) aka Jabhat al-Nusra. Both were killed. It is likely that leaders of other Jihadist groups were also present. The hit completely destroyed a Haras al-Din guesthouse or headquarter. The Syrian Observatory says that more than 40 people were killed in the strike. The hit will make it much easier for the Syrian army campaign to liberate Idleb governorate.

    Full article at https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/08/syria-coordinated-foreign-airstrike-kills-leaders-of-two-al-qaeda-aligned-groups-.html

    This contains a video from a guy walking towards the now flattened buildings. Cant imagine many getting out of that alive.

    https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/1167795757367341057
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:19 am

    Bit more on the strike

    The Russian Ministry of Defense has released its first comments regarding a US-led Coalition missile strike against an Al-Qaeda gathering in Syria’s northwestern province of Idlib.

    Speaking on Sunday, the Russian MoD announced that neither Russia nor Turkey were informed in advance by the United States military that the attack was going to take place.

    This is obviously problematic given that the US is obliged to inform Russia of its Syrian air operations via the de-escalation channel set up between the two countries and that it is also obliged to tell Turkey given that America used Turkish sovereign airspace to conduct the attack.

    The strike in question has effectively been confirmed as a opportunistic cruise missile attack conducted out of Turkey on Saturday by the US military.

    The American operation, carried-out during daylight hours, struck a large gathering of Al-Qaeda militants, both commanders and common fighters, belonging to the Syria-based armed groups Ansar al-Tawhid (which has origins as an Islamic State affiliate) and Hayat Tahrir al-Sham.

    Striking a rural housing area north of Idlib city, the cruise missile attack killed dozens of jihadists.

    Video footage also shows that civilians (possibly family members of the militants) were present at the bombed location and that they themselves suffered dead and wounded because of the attack.

    The US very rarely conducts attacks against terrorist groups in northwest Syria; however, on the odd occasion that it does (that last operation taking place in very late June, and the one before that more that two years ago), the strike is normally very effective in terms of inflicting heavy losses of jihadist ranks, indicating that the Americans have good intelligence on militant movements in the region despite almost never attacking these factions.


    https://en.muraselon.com/2019/09/russia-comments-on-us-missile-strike-in-northwest-syria/
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:23 pm

    That is like saying the president of the Coca Cola company in the US understands the business goals and company structure of the coca cola bottling plant in the UK... why wouldn't he... he supports it and likely helped set it up.

    Clearly they lost control of one of their muppets and decided to tie off loose ends and then move on to plan B.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:18 pm

    Too bad that assorted minions of Uncle Scumbag never learn that they are totally disposable tools used to carry out
    his agenda. His minions all think that they are special and that Uncle Scumbag has their back. Right....
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:00 pm

    kvs wrote:Too bad that assorted minions of Uncle Scumbag never learn that they are totally disposable tools used to carry out
    his agenda.   His minions all think that they are special and that Uncle Scumbag has their back.   Right....

    Of course he has their back. What they don't know, but was found out too late by the Al-Qaeda group on Saturday and the Saudi prisoners in the Yemeni jail, both flattened, is that there is a bloody great target etched on it.

    The US will liquidate without a second thought whoever (even their own people) it needs to when it comes to covering their tracks in terms of documentation and people who know too much and who might spill the beans.

    Supply chain paperwork can destroy carefully worked stories, like that MH-17 BUK missile in Ukraine.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:35 am

    appears to be Smerch or Uragan rocking people who hate Russia in Idlib


    https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/1168577901119311872
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    Post  nomadski on Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:46 pm


    They need war to win. We need peace to win. So in any place there is chance of peace, they must destroy it. In Yemen, if their own prisoners were to be exchanged with Ansar Allah prisoners, as they eventually had to be, then this could have been the end of war, and beginning of peace. In Syria, if different sides agree to cease fire that holds then this could lead to talks and peace and therefore cease fire must be broken to allow for war. In Usrael the Zionists need war to keep society polarised and themselves in power with uncle Sam up their assets. In USA , the warmongers must create enemies to keep some in profit and power. Same old same old.
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    Post  crod on Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:51 am

    didnt take israel long to act....

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/09/hezbollah-says-it-has-downed-israeli-drone-over-lebanon

    Unclaimed airstrikes in eastern Syria have killed 18 Iranian and pro-Iran fighters, according to a war monitoring group, as tensions around Tehran’s military presence in the region intensify.

    The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the strikes in and around the town of Abu Kamal began late on Sunday and continued after midnight, targeting bases, arms depots and vehicles.

    Suspicion is likely to fall on Israel, which has conducted hundreds of bombing raids in the country, often against Iranian military assets and personnel. It accuses Tehran of using Syria, which neighbours Israel, as a base to attack it.

    The Israel Defence Forces did not comment on whether it was behind the attack. Later on Monday the Israeli military said an Iranian-backed Shia militia on the outskirts of the Syrian capital, Damascus, had fired “a number of rockets” towards Israel. All failed to hit Israeli territory, it said. It was not clear if the attempted rocket attacks against Israel were a response to the bombing raid.

    Israel says it has intelligence that Iran has been helping Hezbollah build guided missiles in Lebanon, which it said it would not tolerate.

    It has targeted Hezbollah in Syria, whose forces entered the civil war in support of President Bashar al-Assad, but has largely refrained from attacks on Lebanese soil, fearing it may lead to reprisal strikes.

    Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said last month that Iran had “no immunity, anywhere”. He added: “We will act, and currently are acting, against them, wherever it is necessary.” - true to his word!!!


    Pics of the aftermath

    https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/9-september-new-images-by-imagesatintl-show-the-aftermath


    Iranians need to get smarter real quick...no air def at all at these sites. Base back to waste land again along with 18 dead...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:23 am

    Would be interesting if Iran did install a mini IADS in Syria. Surprised they don't operate aircraft there either.
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    Post  crod on Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:45 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Would be interesting if Iran did install a mini IADS in Syria. Surprised they don't operate aircraft there either.

    not sure they'll get the time - as soon as they start to build something, it's bombed and destroyed.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:13 pm

    Well if Israel is not careful it will get what it really does not want... I mean constantly penetrating Syrian airspace and bombing and attacking targets at will led to an incident where Russians were killed so the Russians expanded their air defence network to include the Syrian air defence forces and are basically training them to modern standards.

    If they keep killing Iranians like this it is only a matter of time before Iran not only further boosts its presence in the region, but also boosts its defensive capabilities as well... whether Iranian designs or Russian designed or a combination of both and Israel will find it will pay a much higher price for its interference.

    Amusing that Israel sees it as a right to invade and occupy and violate the airspace of others purely for the purpose of attacking other countries doing less than what they are doing.

    Iran is in Syria with Syrian government permission, Israeli aircraft and munitions and drones are not.
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    Post  starman on Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:24 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Would be interesting if Iran did install a mini IADS in Syria. Surprised they don't operate aircraft there either.

    Unfortunately Iran doesn't have many aircraft and none comparable to Israel's....Loss of revenue due to sanctions isn't helping either. Iraq should beef up its air defenses; recent attacks on or near its territory should be a wake up call. Hez can knock down enemy drones why not them?
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:46 pm

    I suspect that Israel's problems will increase when Iran decides that it has had enough of these illegal attacks on its legal sites in Syria, announces publicly that its red line has been crossed and gets its ally Hesbollah to respond via Lebanon.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:10 pm

    starman wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Would be interesting if Iran did install a mini IADS in Syria. Surprised they don't operate aircraft there either.

    Unfortunately Iran doesn't have many aircraft and none comparable to Israel's....Loss of revenue due to sanctions isn't helping either. Iraq should beef up its air defenses; recent attacks on or near its territory should be a wake up call. Hez can knock down enemy drones why not them?


    And how Iraq would defend its airspace with US made f-16 that probably can't even lock on any israeli jet or drone ?

    I suspect that Israel's problems will increase when Iran decides that it has had enough of these illegal attacks on its legal sites in Syria, announces publicly that its red line has been crossed and gets its ally Hesbollah to respond via Lebanon.

    Those attacks seem to be useless. Iran is arming iraqi, syrian and Lebanon militias with rockets and missiles from the begining and they can't stop them. Russia is probably helping hide that which make harder for israeli to get intelligence about that as their main assets are satelittes. The last weapons to be delivered will be some manpads and why not shorads. Short range cruise missile are also a danger for Israel as they dont have that much air defences systems to cover all their bases.

    IMO they will answer to israeli attacks only the day when they think they have enough power to damage israel very badly. And it will be a barrage of SRBM against their airbases.
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    Post  nomadski on Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:22 am


    I think Iran or Iraq or Syria or Lebanon or Russia or anyone should distinguish between the zionists in Usrael and the general population. These aggressive attacks are aimed at pulling in the Yanks into hot war with Iran. With the zionists being the vanguard of such attack. To do this, they have to convince the public at large, that they are under attack. That they must defend! They must go to war. Like warmonger in USA.

    So the zionists must be isolated and identified. Before they are made to answer for their crimes. Every creature has a home. Has a shape. Can be seen. Do we know who the zionists are? Do we know where they live? Someone once said that there are only 5000 hardcore zionists in Usrael!
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:29 am

    Russia prevented Israeli strike on Syria
    https://lenta.ru/news/2019/09/10/airstrike/
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    Post  crod on Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:47 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Russia prevented Israeli strike on Syria
    https://lenta.ru/news/2019/09/10/airstrike/

    Wonder what prompted them to do so?
    Hopefully the next step would be to allow the Syrians access to the systems to blow them clear out of their skies or even over Lebanon. It might force the Lebanese to push back a bit against israel - or even buy some S family gear of their own and continue to push the israelis back even further.
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    Post  starman on Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:55 pm

    JohninMK wrote:I suspect that Israel's problems will increase when Iran decides that it has had enough of these illegal attacks on its legal sites in Syria, announces publicly that its red line has been crossed and gets its ally Hesbollah to respond via Lebanon.

    For now, restraint is dictated by very harsh political and military realities (economic too; you can't pay for weapons or war without much cash). Iran is wise not to give nuttyanahu a pretext to launch an allout war, which would be disastrous. It's better IMO to try to weather this current cruddy situation, wrap up the civil war and then turn their full attention on Israel, with all of Syria's strength as well as Hez's etc. Also, in a fairly short while both nuttanyahu and Trump may be gone. That might end or at least reduce Israel attacks, and sanctions, and give Iran and its allies a chance to make faster progress toward their ultimate goals.


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    Post  starman on Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:03 pm

    Isos wrote:
    And how Iraq would defend its airspace with US made f-16 that probably can't even lock on any israeli jet or drone ?

    I believe they'll be getting S-400s. They should also get Russian SU fighters.

    IMO they will answer to israeli attacks only the day when they think they have enough power to damage israel very badly.

    Agreed, they'll have to tough it out and plan for the long haul--which they seem to be doing now. Currently, they have to grit their teeth, despite awful attacks.

    And it will be a barrage of SRBM against their airbases.

    Sounds good but even in '73 the IAF had hardened aircraft shelters (see Cooper's latest). In any event don't reveal the strategy. Wink

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