Tsavo Lion wrote:How much oil r we talking about? Was it even worth it?
Like 90 percent of it if not a bit more, Assad has some oil fields near Deir, since they captured that area we couldn't get those. Other than that we control the rest now. Basically all of Syria's oil is located across the good old River where we are setup.
So yes very worth it just let the kurds think they can have their own country, long as they do what we want and we use them to guard everything keeping just enough guys in Syria to dissuade any attacks from Assad, the Turks, Russia.
It's a very low-cost, high reward operation the best kind.
After all, we don't pay the kurds shit, just give them some bullets and old gear and promise to protect from big bad old Assad and Turkey.
The kurds know full well they better do has told cause if we do leave, hur hur they will get skull fucked by the Turks alone nevermind Assad.
Listen Fool .
Syria main economy was not based oil but Food exporting.. This was told several times by Assad on interviews if you ever saw any .even before they lost control of anything.. The oil was a bonus to Syrian economy ,but was very little , Syria was Never a major oil exporter ,so is not major business.. And You talk about Syria as if was a "major victory"
what Americans achieved there..
whatever makes you sleep better at nights , you can believe it.. But that doesn't means is true..
US and UK lost a fortune in Syria financing Terrorist in hopes to over Run Syria with ISIS ,and later use Syria as a major Trophy , for Radical Islam.. to encourage Islamist world wide into Joining ISIS or Alqaeda ,because they will be paid well by NATO and Saudi Arabia .. that was one of their major goals.. To proffesionalize Terrorism , and create an army of dozens of millions of terrorist worldwide.. after the Failure of Russia in defending Assad..
but guess what? all those plans were destroyed.. NATO backed ISIS was kicked in the ass by a small Russian airforce with help of Syrian army... and Alqaeda wiped from most of Syria too.. So this send a major negative signal to radical muslim extremist/terrorist in the world , That NATO is not as powerful as they claim.. that whenever Russia shows up ,the Americans and the British will retreat , and Even Israel who was in DAraa /souther Syrian was forced with Bombs to leave Syria.. So this is the Major HUGE VICTORY for Russia..
Because it sends a STRONG message to all radical terror groups ,that they will not be Safe and will die and their lives will be miserable , if Russia interfere in any conflict that NATO is helping them.. (ie.. like ISIS ,ALnusra or any other terror group)..
So Russia destroyed forever Obama plans ,to united many millions of muslims world wide.. the SUnni muslims , in a holy war against Russia.. by defeating American plans to over run Syria and remove Assad.. which conservative Muslim hate with passion.. because under his authority , Syria is the only muslim country in the world ,or one of the very rare ones , that Muslim can convert to Christianity ,can be gays if they so desire and the government will not arrest them ,as long they keep their lives private.... and Syria is the only muslim nation that Womens have equal rights than mens in their constitution. in other words , Syria is one of the few muslim majority countries, that Religion is separated from Politics.. .. the other one moving in that direction is Egypt.. So in Syria womens can wear bikinis ,be Pilots of combat jets or be President.. equal rights for womens.. just like in any other free democratic nation.. and such freedoms are a major insult and Offense for many Sunni Muslims who follow the most conservative traditions of their religion...
So already Russia won.. in Syria.. Not Americans , Not NATO ,and israel is the biggest loser of all... Because the Greater Israel project is dead... thanks to Russia liberation of Eastern Ghoutan and Souther Syrian with Russian airforce bombs
. So Israel will be now contained on what they consider now ,their actual borders..
.. this is the result of Russia intervention..
and as a bonus.. Russia stopped the Pipeline project from Saudi-syria ,Europe... to bypass Gazprom..
So dude you are a fool ,if you believe Americans won anything in Syria.. US lost that war in Syria already , by Assad liberating enough territory to guarantee the continuation of Syria state. and Russia did it with a very small airforce ,and with a very limited ground force and with small number of casualties.. if you take into account that NATO major powers US,UK,France ,Turkey, israel ,Saudi Arabia ,Qatar ,Jordan were leading a proxy war against Russia and Syria.. So until now Russia have an A+.. achieved so much more, of what i though it was possible to do ... with such limited ridiculous small a couple of dozen of airforce planes , vs the most powerful alliance in the world.... if you take into account of how massive disadvantage Syria is ,when most of its neighbors are using its borders to send armed mercenaries to fight Syria army.. , then Putin achieved something that i don't think it was done ever in the history of military conflicts in the world . To hold most of a nation territory ,with a very small force ,even when under a proxy attack of NATO ,Gulf allies and Israel.
You say for how long Russia will have to hold Syria.. the same can be said about Americans.. for how long they will Hold the Kurds.. with no allies .. only US.. if Americans don't pay Kurds bills ,the entire project will collapse.. as i said .. Syria major economy is exporting Food.. cotton and other things important ..
So Is not Russia major objective to restore 100% of Syria territory ..
The major objectives of Russia was ..
1)Stop Obama/Pentagon/CIA attemps to create millions man army under the flag of ISIS..
something they could have done ,had they saw Russia defeated in Syria.. it will have encouraged millions and millions ,hundreds of millions of new recruits world wide.. into joining NATO new secrets Armies division to target more nations..
More arab springs ,but now in Asia ,Latin America and AFrica will have happened.. if Russia was defeated.. with US and UK and Turkey and ISrael ..repeating the same scenario of Syria in the entire world. but guess what? Russia stopped that.. Now US ,will think a million times ,before doing the same experiment again.. Russia can repeat the same and Ruin it.. with just a minimal force.. while US will lose BILLIONS $$ and Billions$$ in feeding and arming their armies ,so later they defeated..
and the only reason 100% of Syria not liberated is because Turkey and US is using their soldiers as human shields to block ...any additional liberation of territory.. Something Russia could do it ,but is not worth of it.. So Russian goals is not complete liberation of syria..
but complete destruction of American and Israel long term plans.. thats it..
2)Russia defeated the very old dream project.. a pipeline project of Americans and Jews ,to bypass Gasprom.. with a pipeline from Saudi Arabia and Qatar ,of oil and gas ,towards Europe..
if Obama was successful in his war.. not only Russian military will have been defeated ,but a new Russia major business with europe will have been stopped too.. a major huge damage to Russia economy.. was averted .. had the pipeline was build..
3)Is not on Russia interest to start a war with Kurds.. they can use the kurds against Turkey.. they will prefer to have kurds as allies and not enemies.. only IDLIB terrorist are the unfinished job ,but eventually they all will have to leave.. US and Turkey can continue holding forever IDLIB economy .. and Russia can take it , little by little , not a problem.
4)Americans will not be able to stay forever in Syria.. Their citizens will continue pushing them for leaving .. is not a secret of what is US doing in Syria , allied with Terrorism..
And Just like in previous debate of Presidential elections Syria was the major issue in Use foreign policy ...it will continue being a major issue for americans.. Russia don't have an issue there.. they have a clear plan , of what to do , and sooner or later will do it.. is only a matter of patience.. how can Idlib will be liberated.. in full , or most of it..
So US and Turkey have a big problem with Syria.. their citizens don't want their military there.. While Russia don't have that problem..of having negative views of its citizens ,for their actions in Syria.. Just like in eastern Ukraine.. Russia can be forever in Syria ..with a small force and the experience gaining intercepting American and Israeli bombs will be completely invaluable.. NATO can also learn too , but Russia will learn more ,since US and Israel are not being attacked by Russia. Russia have a very real chance of recovering 100% of IDLIB zone even without firing a shot. The opposition to Erdogan ,in previous elections ,one of his major promises was FULL Restorations with Assad..
that it was a mistake Erdogan actions on Syria.. and Erdogan was nervous of the massive support the opposition got.. There is a BIG opposition in Turkey.. to Erdogan.. pro Assad.. that can completely Reverse the 8 years of Erdogan hostiles policies against Syria.. and put for the first time Turkey fully cooperating with Russia in ending the Israel -US syrian conflict..
So Russia have very big chances to even achieve full objectives ,that Russia did not had...
from the start , that is complete liberation of 100% of Syria.. All the dynamics can be against NATO overnight with a change of Government in Turkey.. but IF not.. still Russia
already achieved victory in Syria.. their major goals achieved.. a piece of territory more or less ,is not really important for Russia.. thats a Syrian issue.. For Russia it will be even better to get Kurds on Russian side too.. that way Russia will have a card to play against Erdogan ,in case one day , he betrays Russia again..
So from biggest winners to biggest losers list..
1)Russia the BIGGEST Winner in Syria war.. Stopped NATO pipeline and NATO secret terrorist millions mercenaries jihadist project.. and as a bonus learning a lot about
how US and Israel offensive weapons works.. Russian adversaries are learning much less ,since Russia is not attacking Americans or Israel with any missile.. so they still don't know even how S-400s works.. or what can do.. since have not been used..
2)Second major winner is IRAN and Hezbolah.. the ENORMOUS gigantic military experiences they gained.. now IRAN is Intercepting the videos of American drones..
and can see what Americans see.. and IRAN and Hezbolah will know everything Syrian army have learned from Russia.. Hezbolah will be also armed with very lethal weapons ,that can counter israel tanks too.. this will be Russia pay back to Israel.. if they invade Lebanon again.
3) Big Loser Americans..
- Lost the pipeline project.
- Lost their ISIS project.. Russia ruined it..
- and teach Russia exactly what offensive capabilities US and Israel have.. even Israel new Rampage missiles are being studied now..
4) Saudi Arabia and Qatar lost a lot of money and the pipeline
5) Israel is the biggest loser of all.. The greater israel project is dead.. and now will have
all is enemies armed by Russia modern weapons ,that can hack Israel and US drones and
will have plenty of experience in using drones ,hacking them , electronic warfare how it works and how to beat Israel.. as they were in Southern Syria Israel special forces..forced to retreat .. forces they later used ,to evacuate the white helmets.. with permission of Russia..
Now the knowledge Russia adquired in defeating US and Israel proxy war ,will be shared
with Egypt ,ALgeria ,Venezuela ,and many other potential targets of US and Israel proxy wars.. So in summary US war in Syria was a total failure.. this was told also by the US ambassador to Syria.. and John Kerry told it too.. when Syria liberated Aleppo.. that was not supposed to happen..
then damascus liberated.. and all southern Syria..
Let some US forces be in the eastern desert.. in a no man lands zone.. it doesnt change anything in the ground . the US military continue in Syria only for appearance.. to not look like they lost the war.. in hopes someone else ,another president in the future.. in the future will have the crazy idea ,to restart the war.. knowing Russia will reverse all their gains.. and that is a stalemate already the war.. but with favorable conditions for syria to continue expanding.. at a slow pace..
But US will leave. make no mistake about that.. they only seeking to find a way how to
retreat that don't look too humiliating for them.. Russia absolutely don't gain anything
with invading Kurds zones.. Thats a Syrian issue..and they will actually prefer to get kurds on Russia side.. to increase its options..versus Turkey .
So Russia saved the world literary in Syria.. bufon..
It stopped the islamization army proxy project of NATO..
If Syria collapsed.. what will you think NATO will have done ?
tell their terrorist.. alright guys.. thanks for your help ..go retire????
No.. they will expand the wars and NATO will use them ,to target any country
important for Russia and China security and economic interest..
ISIS was created by CIA to repeat their partial success in afganistan versus soviet union
that keep Russia economy bleeding ,there.. for having a large army in afganistan with Americans arming the talibans.. So ISIS was created to take to a whole new level ,world
wide.. what the CIA did in AFganistan versus Russia..
maps given by US military to Fox news..
this was NATO long terms plans ,for being in Syria..what Russia destroyed....
ISIS =NATO Secret proxy armies.. a new afgan vs Russia part 2 . to weaken first and invade later Russia..
This is US democrats/neoliberal zionist and jews elite plans ,how to isolate and destroy Russia.. radicalization of half of the world ... and give them weapons to weaken Russia.
This maps were being displayed all over , is US elite Defense Industry pro media..
Not surprisingly ISIS wanted exactly the same thing NATO wanted..
But because NATO can't block Russia /encircle it for real ,without a world war 3..
they planned to use "ISIS" instead as proxy..to truly encircle Russia.. (with US military in the air and in the ground hiding behind ISIS)
Notice the map carefully..
-ISIS wanted to block Russia from the mediterranean sea.. from the Iberian straits..
-Block Russia from the suez canal..
-Block Russia from the bosphoruz strait.. any Russian warship that travels through there will have been attacked by Turkey terrorist..
-After NATO capturing Ukraine.and crimea with the nazi revolution,they will have deported all pro Russia citizens away from Crimea and flooded Crimea with terrorist.
-Transform Russia caucasus into an ISIS friendly zone.. using Russia muslims to betray their country. inspired them.. by Russia failure in Syria and major economic problems..and promises to convert Russia into Islam..
Losing in Syria for Russia ,to ISIS ,will have been a major disaster .. because the morale boost for Muslim in Russia itself ,will have inspired hundreds of thousands of Russian muslims (a major 5th column) to join a mercenary jihadist group sponsored by NATO to fight Russia government and military and with the promises that Obama will help them ,to convert Russia to Islam...
So will have be a major disaster for Russia security and major danger for Russia own existence if NATO ,with the success of Syria ,and failure of Russia ,will have used it ,to hire millions of new ISIS mercenaries from muslin majority countries in Russian borders.. . with Russia invaded by literary millions of NATO backed jihadist in all its borders with Asia.. and with eastern Europe.. and China contained...at least..
Naturally in the map is not accurate.. by purpose..Israel will not have been touched by ISIS..in reality ,and this will have made it obvious for WHO ISIS works..
NATO and ISRAEL first create the fire.. and later behave like firefighters. and invades "to help" , so to "fight iSIS" will have been used as an excuse to invade Syria /IRAQ/IRAQ
and all borders of Russia with asia.. . but in reality using NATO militaries role is to
create safe zones , supply zones for ISIS , as they doing now in a limited way in Syria..
but before NATO could convince millions of muslims to take guns ,and fight Russia on its own land..... ASSAD and Syria will have to be over run first .and all of Syria captured.. and Russia kicked from Syria. and its army defeated.. and is obvious all those plans were destroyed.
Because Russia is too powerful and have so many nukes .. Anglozionist powers saw a plan to destroy Russia by proxy , replicating the afgan war..but a infinite bigger scale.. using radical Islam as a weapon..
Those 5,000 chechens who were In Syria ,were Pentagon assets.. that could have lead
the war against Russia in caucasus.. when return to Russia with their gained experience..
and help them capture former soviet republics in asia.. and later ISIS take that fight directly to Russia mainland... because why will they stop at Russian borders?
and RUssia can't use nukes on its own land.. on civilian zones..
and so this is why CIA and Isrel created ISIS .. to become NATO boots on the ground..
,their trojan horse to invade Russia .. and NATO only role in any place ISIS fights.. is to be in the air with airforce to warn terrorist of Russia and its allies positions and interrupt Russian airforce operations .just like they do at times in Syria..
and if all things went well , after capturing Syria ,they moved to IRAN ,and from there capture all souther borders of Russia.., send millions of terrorist to invade Russia.. This is why Sweeden ,and norway ,are welcoming radical muslins zones into their lands.. Anglo zionist elite ,wanted to use millions of NATO trained and armed Muslins to over run Russia..
in the long term..
basically NATO is deceiving radical sunni muslin world wide ,into making them believe
that American and Europeans helps them only because they "want to convert to ISLAM".. but before doing that.. they need to help NATO to destroy Russia and its allies..
NATO was planning a long term war against Russia ,using Jihadist world wide.. basically the same scenario of Syria.. do it against Russia ,but at a much bigger level.. and the OIL fields of middle east will have financed that war..
the CIA could have sold that war.to radical muslims easily...as a war demanded by Allah..
to Capture Russia for Islam.. so it was not a coincidence Obama was a muslim..
he was selected for that.. is a Democrats liberals vision of how to counter Russia.. using islam as weapon ,,radicalizing them.. convincing them that NATO is on the side of ISlam.
and giving them weapons and salaries and a house , and even help them with a family
(usually ISIS families are womens they kidnap in the countries they invade)
to fight Russia and its allies.. US plans to destroy Russia was tested in Syria ,with a hundred of thousands jihadist invasion.. and Those planes failed completely.. and they know it.. . even when NATO used their own airforces,, their own navies and Israel and Turkey to help them.. and many hundreds of cruise missiles attacks by NATO and ISRAEL on syrian military base.. Syria is still standing... they believed those manpads and stinger missiles will have been enough to neutralize Russian airforce.. but they underestimated Russia Airforce modernization and its combat capabilities..
So Americans and Israel lost the war in Syria.. already.. all they can do now , is a policy of revenge ,with no real strategic goals other than annoy Russia and Syria with their airforces and cruise missiles attacks.. .. but is a policy that will not translate in over turning the Russian success or reversing any territory captured by Syrian army...
I don't think any sane President in the future will want to go there again and start financing
hundred of thousands of jihadist to restart the Syrian war.. they will now use Republican way.to fight Russia ,total sanctions on Russia economy.. and allies..and direct wars on Russia allies.. IRAN ,Venezuela ,Nicaragua,Serbia ,armenia ,transnistria/moldova could be next..
honestly.. i don't know how Obama and his cronies believed this alliance with Islam will have worked.. Even if Muslins rebelions in Russia managed to split Russia in many parts..
The Russian military will not have forgotten it .who is behind them..and will have taken revenge.. on Americans and Britian.. and even Putin told it..Who wants to live in a world without Russia
he repeated that same phrase in 2 different times ,in 2 conferences with a smile on his face.
it was told in (warning Americans look what we have )conference.. of hypersonic missiles
and later repeated in same way..
Basically Putin warned United States elites.. that if Putin see ,
Russia will no longer exist .. Neither United States will do.. (it will be a world war 3)
and with Russian nukes destroying completely united states.. (if Putin see US proxy actions ,manage to split Russia again , in a way Russia can no longer exist).
So if Russia will not exist.. Putin already warned.. neither United states (and ISRAEL who is behind it) will exist either.. And i personally believe also canada will be wiped too..
because if Russia knows war can't be avoided and will be nuclear..then US could use Canada territory ,to continue its empire if US destroyed.. Australia also could be wiped.. Anglo zionist powers will be destroyed , Putin warned in revenge.. if they destroy Russia.
is a samson option.. if Russia will not exist ,neither those who conspired and helped to destroy Russia will exist either.. US,Canada,UK and Israel ,will be very likely on hit list
in case of a nuclear war.. started by the west...
Everything has gone according to our plan.
Not really.. and by saying that proof ,you are not even in any NATO Military at all ,
but a complete fool.. you are.. Because Russia could care less about Kurdistan..
Russia have its own interest and not neccessarily are the same of Syria it could be or not
different .. as i told before.. Russia is not interested in breaking relations with Kurds.. is an important faction ,they can use , against Turkey.. Even Russia government reprimanded Assad when he told on an interview ,that the war will not end ,until every inch of territory is taken.. ,the Ambassador to United nations of Russia warned assad in public, that the solution of the conflict is political..and that he have to remember that without Russia ,he could have not taken back his territory.. that he believes ,is important for Syria to be flexible with the kurds
.. This was told by Russia Government.. in other words that Assad should forget about taking any territory kurds control ,by the use of Force.. that those territories needs to be negotiated with Kurds..
So Russia is not in Syria to return 100% of their territory .. is not their goal..
The goal of Russia there is completely destroy US and Israel plans to break the Syrian state..and defeat all American backed terrorist.. already ISIS is gone.. and Alqaeda was beaten badly in most of Syria.. and the only zones they hold is Idlib ,because of turkey..
but those will be taken little by little.. with a much more slower war..than before...
IDLIB rebels have no future,, in a zone that Russia can freely bomb their positions ,is a zone that will be impossible to have sustained development in the middle of war and with Russia bombing them every day. US achieved NO SHIT in Syria.. only someone disconnected
with reality will claim "US won Syria war".
Even the former american ambassador of Syria ,the one that played a role in promoting
the civil unrest.. told in twiiter that the war was lost.. US is still in syria because the military refuse to accept their defeat.. and to save face and find a better way. US lost in syria and lost in Ukraine too. and there is nothing you can do about it other than stop giving excuses..
Russia support the kurds..too.. and there are ..Russia military forces standing between Kurds and Turkey backed rebels.. to proof it.. For Russia it will be better a Syria - Kurds alliance.. it can be done ,, and almost they do it.. after Trump began to talk about leaving.. Syria.. eventually US will leave and So Turkey too.. the question is not IF. but when.