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    Post  Mindstorm on Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:51 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Quite a fair analysis on the Israeli attack last week.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/israel-kamikaze-drones-are-destroying-syria%E2%80%99s-air-defenses-42592


    What is fair in this article (analysis is totally unfitting) ?


    "Reportedly two Pantsir and one older 9K33 Osa (SA-Cool short-range air defense system were destroyed, and four Syrian personnel killed. "

    Reportedly by who ? Razz Razz Razz Rolling Eyes

    The monkey in question has "melted" two informations : the first ,produced at few hours from the attack that, falling for the cunning way the israeli video was presented, had sustained that the two systems was two Pantsyr-S1s and the latest that has almost surely identified the first system destroyed (as i had correctly said from the beginning observing the video) as an upgraded "Оса" SAM.

    Therefore the two air defense destroyed were OR two Панцирь-С1 (an hypothesis by now almost completely dismissed) OR ,much more likely, an "Оса" and, like an year ago, a not working unmanned Панцирь-С1.


    "The IDF also recorded the destruction of a Pantsir-S1 during a massive series of strikes in May. To be fair, a prudent air force can safely target any short-range air defense systems using stand-off weapons. However, the Pantsir theoretically should have had a shot at shooting down the incoming missiles."

    Razz Razz Razz The monkey -in mine opinion in a deliberate way- fail one more time to activate any of its working neurons, not infering that both the last year than in the 21 January attack were destroyed exclusively NOT WORKING and UNMANNED Панцирь and that is a terrible news for Israel and even more for western Air Forces (because Israel enjoy geographical ,numerical, Intelligenge -Humint in particular- and technological advantages in Syrian theatre that none Air Forces would enjoy against an opposing Air Defense network).

    As i said several time also the hypothesis that the two systems (the one of the last year and that of the 21 January) had expended all the missiles and was deactivated abandoned by the crew in the wait for the reloading is very unlikely and, anyway at most would highlight a monstrous lack of professionalism of theirs operator, because that negate the most elementary notions of the wartime reloading protocol for Панцирь launchers that would render those engagements in "plain sight" of not working SAMs of those type totally impossible.

    It is infinitely more probable that Israeli intelligence has identified some unprofessional behaviour by part of some insulated Панцирь launcher's operators, in particular in mine opinion after interruption of the air attack alarm and consequentli IAF has several times attempted to employ stand-off Deliah missiles with man-on-the-loop optical guided ,probably from ground, to caught the window of incapacity of those unmanned Панцирь.


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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:47 pm

    That was the whole attack, stand off.

    All their missiles were once again launched from Lebanon and they managed to destroy two air defense systems with over 50 missiles. I know it isn't their money they are wasting, it is US tax payers, but that "accuracy" is very questionable on Israel's side. 50 missiles and only managed to destroy one idle Pantsir and either a Pantsir or a OSA sam. Oh boy.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:01 pm


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:07 am

    Is it possible to deploy updated Shilkas with the Pantsirs, i know it's an old system, but it could still be used as a Point-Defense system against missiles.
    Considering the massive amount of missiles used to overpower a system, especially with the arrival of small diameter bombs.

    So, i think they're gonna be a need for CIWS in the near future, since just deploying more missiles is simply gonna be too expensive (diminishing returns and all that).
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:06 am

    Like S. Korea vs. N Korea, All Israel is within reach of Syrian missiles https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2560304.html

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:59 am

    How things have changed... a few years ago if Israel had decided to take out Syrian air defences they could do it fairly easily and fairly efficiently... now they have to work hard and their best achievement was to get two vehicles... and all their other missiles were stopped...

    48 failures out of 50 missiles launched... Iraqi Scuds were more successful than that...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:11 am

    I don't envy Benjamin Netanyahu! 1 wrong move, & he may end up in jail.
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    Post  Austin on Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:39 pm

    There is no warrior in the field: how Israel pierced the Russian "shell"

    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2019/01/27/12146461.shtml?updated
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:20 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Like S. Korea vs. N Korea, All Israel is within reach of Syrian missiles https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2560304.html



    Russia will need to have battle plans for war against Israel.. because they will not stop attacking
    Syria and because the real aim of Israel is Russia.. to remove Russia from Syria . SInce israel
    don't want any competition in the zone ,whether is neither from IRAN and even less from Russia.
    Since israel had plans to invade Lebanon and Syria and create large "buffer zones" to repeat the same
    games they been doing..in their controlled state.. and basically Israel wants a new palestine in Lebanon and another Syria and with their army stealing little by little more and more land.. under the pretext of "Nation Security".

    So i don't see how Russia is going to avoid a major fight with Israel..  So Putin better be prepared for it..
    Israel needs to be stomped , and punished a mortal wound ,like 70 of their planes shutdown ,including F-35 , on their military by Russia is what will make the zionist state retreat.. Israel only thing they will respect is use of Force.  that overwhelms their military.

    If Putin make the mistake (like Garryb and others) to think that Russia nuclear deterrence will be enough
    to protect their military.. they are mistaken..  Already Israel have the blood of dozens of Russian top officers  , with the intelligence plane they intentionally provoked to be harmed.. and this is not mentioning the 50x times.. Russian base have been attacked by Drones , by Americans backed rebels.. So shows Israel is not Russia friend , but an enemy and that Russia better have in details , by now , the plans for war against Israel. what places to hit..to cause the major pain on Israel military and its economy , and even the use of nuclear weapons. in case Israel attack Russia base in latakia ,, even if they claim later was by "mistake" , Putin will need to grow some balls ,and respond with a nuclear attack , on Israel biggest military bases in response.. and cause so much damage to israel ,that they will never again will dare to target Russia and its military.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:35 am

    Russians &/ Syrians should establish themselves in Lebanon as well, before some1 else does. Then Israeli AF will be stopped from using PGMs against Syria. The UN/Russia/China should send peacekeepers to S. Lebanon to prevent another 2006 style air war there.
    I agree, the Israeli AF must lose a dozen planes for it to realize that they r not the best in the ME anymore.
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:00 am

    GarryB wrote:How things have changed... a few years ago if Israel had decided to take out Syrian air defences they could do it fairly easily and fairly efficiently... now they have to work hard and their best achievement was to get two vehicles... and all their other missiles were stopped...

    48 failures out of 50 missiles launched... Iraqi Scuds were more successful than that...

    i think your numbers are way off..

    Russia MOD only confirmed 30 missiles in sputnik intercepted in the last attack...  If israel fired 50.. ?
    then that leave  20 missiles who managed to enter and hit their targets .. and not all missiles were aiming
    at the pantsirs.. they also aimed at the airport that caused major damages..  So the last attack was anything but good for Russia. Losing 2 pantsirs when Russia and Syria have so few of them is not good.. but very bad.

    As  matter of fact it was a major bad performance , because Russia military knows Israel have TV guided
    Missiles and they are doing NOTHING , to block the TV camera signal of those missiles , and doing nothing to deploy decoys either.. if the camera signal is blocked ,, the operator will be blind ..and will switch to automatic mode and thats when Decoys can fool the missiles..  Russia could also use their lasers blinders of missiles optics...
    they also can use electronic warfare to assist Pantsirs defenses when they are out of missiles.. instead of leaving
    them in the open to die.. No

    there are many options ,but so far Russia is allowing its enemies to have full view of the battlefield in Syria..
    and this is a huge mistake...  If there was an S-300 or an S-400 unit there , near the pantsir ,it will have been destroyed too..  Because any system of defense can be overwhelmed.. specially in Syria that distances are small and there is no deep layers of defenses.. as Russia have in main land. im not surprised .not even a little ,that Israel is using saturation attacks , because it will always work . no matter if S-400s are given to Syria or not.. Only way to real protect Syria is a totally different rules of combat ..and Syrian Airforce and Russian airforce deployed to start firing missiles at israel planes and shutting them down , if start attacking Syria . that will force them to go very far away , and most of their weapons will not work beyond 150km. And on top will have to carry less missiles if now their planes needs to protect themselves too from other planes.
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    Post  starman on Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:52 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Russians &/ Syrians should establish themselves in Lebanon as well, before some1 else does.

    Hez is already in Lebanon but Israel would almost certainly interfere with any attempt to build a good AD system there.

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    Post  Austin on Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:02 am

    ISIL: Target Russia

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:37 pm



    NadieHarbieh
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    Local sources reported that the bridge across the #Euphrates is under #SDF-forces control
    If they succeed in this action #ISIS fighters will be surrounded from all the sides without any chance to flee from the battlefield and this "pocket" become they grave


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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:09 am

    Austin wrote:ISIL: Target Russia


    hehe...

    In that report when the ISIS leader in afganistan was asked about Russia..
    he took a deep breath before is response .. he seemed he wanted to cry..  lol1   They got stomped by Russia in Syria and had to be evacuated by their NATO brothers to Afganistan.... Seems they expected a fake war against them , like NATO military was doing.. but . Russia bombed them  for real ...  russia



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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:20 am

    Before they can impose sharia & their version of Islam on Russia & the whole world, let them try to do it in Indonesia, India, Iran, & Egypt 1st. Iraq is less populous but even there they r now underground. The US been using them in Syria but would've turned on them had Russia didn't chase them out 1st.
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:56 pm


    IWN
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    #Baghuz Military Situation
    This is what's left of #ISIS occupied lands in eastern Euphrates.
    Map: http://iswnews.com/media/2019/02/East-Syria-v4-13feb19-24bah97.jpg …
    Interactive map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/viewer?mid=1M-_ymjR9xwOK7KMikOcUFSAE1ac&ll=34.46805259135051%2C40.94938174918798&z=13 …



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    Post  auslander on Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:32 am

    So, what's the word on the little problem the French had in Raqqa t'other day? Seems something went 'boom'.

    From our friend Cassad:

    Syria: an attack on explosive passed in silence has targeted the headquarters of the French military intelligence in Raqqa
    BY STRATEGIKA51 ON 02/14/2019 • ( 18 REVIEWS )

    Despite a total blackout on information and military censorship, a member of the Syrian Kurdish political-administrative body confirmed yesterday a bomb attack on Tuesday, February 12, 2019, the headquarters of military intelligence French and a branch of the DGSE (Directorate General of External Security) in the city of Raqqa by attributing it to Daesh.

    Contradictory information differs on the vector of this attack with the explosive but all underline the extreme precision of the information on the French base at the disposal of the attackers.

    Some local sources mention a motorcycle trapped in a mail that allegedly exploded near a depot of weapons and ammunition.

    The explosion, heard for miles around and felt as far as the US forward stations, destroyed the entire building occupied by the French services. MSF forces rushed to the scene to rescue the wounded.

    US forces would have secured the perimeter of the attack and blocked access to what remains of the complex.

    Eyewitnesses mention dozens of dead and wounded, especially among Kurdish guards French HQ.

    French side is total silence and it seems that Paris has learned additional lessons on military censorship-particularly heavy and severe in France, in a theater of operations particularly lethal attack targeting its forces in Sévaré and Paris. Timbuktu, central and northern Mali in 2018.

    We have clear indications of the nature and terms of intense lobbying and pressure from government departments and private contractors to reduce the impact or block upstream certain information from major media and even platforms. adult video tagging, as happened recently on behalf of a country very close to Paris that suffered a horrendous terrorist attack in terms of image. Agence France Press plays a certain role in sorting and withholding certain information at the request of the government and under the pretext of a threat to national security or to the strategic interests of major industrial groups.

    Finally, this attack in the middle of an SDF offensive supported by the international coalition aimed at what the media describe the last pocket of Daesh in northeastern Syria is a response to the growing French military support to the SDS and other armed groups in the region. French artillery units are deployed in Iraq near the Syrian borders on the side of al-Qaim, from where they pound the positions that the Kurdish forces want to storm.
    In addition to artillery, French Mirages 2000D stationed in northern Jordan and possibly Iraq, conduct air raids in the Euphrates Valley and in the Deir Ezzor Desert.

    However, reliable information from the field indicates that the current offensive against this so-called Daesh residue is trampling on and is facing growing difficulties.

    The departure or, more precisely, the redeployment of US forces from Syria to Iraq represents a real headache for the Paris government and all the underground and mafia networks of what could be described as the deep French state that strive not only to sabotage any peace initiative in Syria but to perpetuate the conflict by creating new divisions while continuing to support the rebellion. It becomes obvious that for Paris, it is no longer a question of unconditional support for Israel or the interested one in Qatar, but a desperate attempt not to lose face and allow Bashar Al-Assad to taunt again. French deep state.
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    Post  LMFS on Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:23 pm

    Thanks Auslander! thumbsup
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:53 pm

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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:09 am

    LMFS wrote:Thanks Auslander! thumbsup

    Me too. Blackout succeeded!
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:36 am

    I got the 50 missiles from your post above Vann... post number 245, where you said:

    Reality was that there was 2 major attacks and the missiles fired to Israel ,was not IRAN but Syrian army
    who did it. . in retaliation to Israel first earlier attack .that fireid 7 missiles and later all of them intercepted..

    hours later.. Israel counter attack again with near 50 missiles after the humiliating failure of the previous
    attack.. and managed to penetrate the defenses not surprisingly through saturation attacks.. Something
    that any air defense in the world can be vulnerable.. Because Israel have an unlimited supply from US of missiles..

    So two attacks with over 50 missiles fired and the result was two AD systems hit... one a Pantsir and one either a Pantsir or an OSA... each only hit once... based on your figures of over 50 missiles fired and two targets hit that means at best 50 missiles fired and two hits....


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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:36 pm


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    #USA agreed with the #Iraq/i government to host, temporary, all forces withdrawing from #Syria Before the 1st of April.

    The Iraqi gov agreed to protect the withdrawal of these forces from any attack while withdrawing. the US promised to pull out permanently the excess of forces.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:37 am

    #USA agreed with the #Iraq/i government to host, temporary, all forces withdrawing from #Syria Before the 1st of April.

    The Iraqi gov agreed to protect the withdrawal of these forces from any attack while withdrawing. the US promised to pull out permanently the excess of forces.

    Hahahahaha... why would any one not trust the US?

    #USA agreed with the #Iraq/i government to host, temporary, all forces withdrawing from #Syria Before the 1st of April.

    But don't forget the fine print... what are there still US forces in Syria after April the first?

    The Iraqi gov agreed to protect the withdrawal of these forces from any attack while withdrawing. the US promised to pull out permanently the excess of forces.

    So when you come across US forces in Syria after April the first, they will say they were only withdrawing the excess of forces that were not needed... the forces you encounter after the full withdrawal are the extras they are keeping there illegally against the wishes of the Syrian government...

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