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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:03 am

    China has its own financial problems right now with a debt mountain not seen in human history.

    I think Maduro is a lost cause and any money we dump into that turd is flushing money down the toilet. China by far flushed the most.

    France has the power to enforce its will anywhere on the African continent. Any leader they want gone they can exterminate him and put their own puppets in power. China does not have this capability. All they can do is keep loaning money to despots who won't be around to pay it back.

    The point is France doesn't let them choose, it is either there way or you get exterminated like the Colonel.
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    Post  Aristide on Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:36 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:China has its own financial problems right now with a debt mountain not seen in human history.

    I think Maduro is a lost cause and any money we dump into that turd is flushing money down the toilet.  China by far flushed the most.

    France has the power to enforce its will anywhere on the African continent.  Any leader they want gone they can exterminate him and put their own puppets in power.  China does not have this capability.  All they can do is keep loaning money to despots who won't be around to pay it back.

    The point is France doesn't let them choose, it is either there way or you get exterminated like the Colonel.  

    You talk with a wall here. They are so deluded that they spread rubbish to strengthen their bullshit.

    Fact remains, we rule africa, china is cowardly and acts within the rules we set to them.

    Another thing is that most here dont umderstand africa. France controls the very people, umderstands the power constellations. China does not.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:13 am

    Fact remains, we rule africa, ..
    Not all of it, otherwise China & Russia wouldn't be building roads & ports there, sending people & arms to Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Algeria, CAR, Djibouti, & some other countries.
    In places u think u rule, troops must be sent to fight, just like u did in SE Asia, & that's where, in the long run, ur next defeat is going to be.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:41 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Fact remains, we rule africa, ..
    Not all of it, otherwise China & Russia wouldn't be building roads & ports there, sending people & arms to Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Algeria, CAR, Djibouti, & some other countries.
    In places u think u rule, troops must be sent to fight, just like u did in SE Asia, & that's where, in the long run, ur next defeat is going to be.

    When France can have thousands of troops anywhere on it within days it would be all of it. With air bases in all four corners and its core they can conduct air power over its entirety. If China attempts to challenge their power they will be in for a rude awakening.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:26 am

    Thousands of troops can be killed in rocket attacks I see no issue
    and ballistic missiles can be used t neutralise enemy bases.

    China is a superpower france is just one european shithole with an overwhelming amount of arrogance, if they send troops you send more an kill them that is to say unless they run away first.

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    Post  Isos on Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:48 am

    China can also impose sanctions that will hurt France. And many in EU will be happy with that starting by Germany and italy.

    China is gonna be a major actor in Africa just like USSR was. You can be sure that communist guerillas and gov will come back pretty fast. And the situation in Venezuela shows that Russia is ready to go with China against US or any other western country. Now they freaking out they don't do it for everything.

    Mass immigration is a huge issues in EU because of france rulling badly in Africa.

    Trump and Obama quick decisions (not analyzed) don't help as they push russia to associate with China and Iran much more than they should. While on the other hand EU and Nato are falling apart.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:24 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Thousands of troops can be killed in rocket attacks I see no issue
    and ballistic missiles can be used t neutralise enemy bases.

    China is a superpower france is just one european shithole with an overwhelming amount of arrogance, if they send troops you send more an kill them that is to say unless they run away first.


    If France was such a shit hole they wouldn't have the largest number of tourists in the world to see it. If you want to talk about a shit hole take a trip to China with air you can't breath and water you can't drink.

    France is a Great Power, China is a wannabe Great Power with a poorly trained military and no combat experience.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:41 pm

    Hi Vladimir.

    I would disagree with you. Nowhere have I seen France listed as a Great Power. It's a Great Power of tourism at best.

    There are still hundreds of milions of people who live in what would be called poverty but the situation is improving every year. It is going to be a majority middle class society in a decade.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:04 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Hi Vladimir.

    I would disagree with you. Nowhere have I seen France listed as a Great Power. It's a Great Power of tourism at best.

    There are still hundreds of milions of people who live in what would be called poverty but the situation is improving every year. It is going to be a majority middle class society in a decade.

    China is sitting at 300% debt to GDP. The 600 million they have brought out of poverty will be heading right back into it.

    What is a Great Power? Aside from nukes it is the ability to project power around the world. France does this, China does not. They don't even have a viable deck fighter.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:49 pm

    "Soft power" & trade is what they use to project their power, backed by intel & military. It's not as visible, but it's there in Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, 2 Koreas, Philippines, Russia, Greece, Italy, Pakistan, Africa, Australia, & L. America.
    In today's globalized world, bombing some1 far away only gives a temporary benefit in the best case.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:15 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:"Soft power" & trade is what they use to project their power, backed by intel & military. It's not as visible, but it's there in Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, 2 Koreas, Philippines, Russia, Greece, Italy, Pakistan, Africa, Australia, & L. America.
    In today's globalized world, bombing some1 far away only gives a temporary benefit in the best case.

    That soft power you speak of is based on their ability to dole out cheap loans. That ability has dried up and created 300% debt to GDP. It has ruined them.
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    Post  MiamiMachineShop on Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:28 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:"Soft power" & trade is what they use to project their power, backed by intel & military. It's not as visible, but it's there in Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, 2 Koreas, Philippines, Russia, Greece, Italy, Pakistan, Africa, Australia, & L. America.
    In today's globalized world, bombing some1 far away only gives a temporary benefit in the best case.

    That soft power you speak of is based on their ability to dole out cheap loans.  That ability has dried up and created 300% debt to GDP.  It has ruined them.

    Hello Vladimir, I greatly appreciate your website. As an American, it is interesting to see a clear anti-chinese position expressed on your behalf. Out of curiosity, almost daily I hear on news and read that Russia and China are best friend allies, but your words seem to imply that Russians like yourself have a generally uneasy take on China. Why is there a disdain for the Chinese? Do Russians such as yourself see China in such a dismissive way? How many Russians would you say feel like this? Not stoking anything, I am greatly curious!
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:41 pm

    French army is good against Third World militants,hardly anybody else.

    French Air Force almost ran out of munitions in 2011. How do you image France invading and occupying any country with an army better than total shit?
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    Post  jhelb on Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:55 pm

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    Post  jhelb on Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:56 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:When France can have thousands of troops anywhere on it within days it would be all of it.  With air bases in all four corners and its core they can conduct air power over its entirety.  If China attempts to challenge their power they will be in for a rude awakening.

    That's not true Vlad.

    France occupies an area in Africa that is roughly the size of Australia. The US with an economy 7x-8x the size of France could not hold onto Iraq and is failing to hold onto Afghanistan. Countries that are far smaller with far less people compared to the area occupied by France in Africa.

    Even the Soviet Union with the largest army in the world & the second largest economy had to retreat from Afghanistan.

    If these African countries can get their act together & start attacking the French (like the Iraqis did to the Yankees) it's curtains for the French.

    France is simply capitalizing on the lack of unity among these African countries, a common trait found in most 3rd world countries.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:11 pm

    300% GDP debt in China. Don't make me laugh.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_China

    The number is less than 50% GDP. Since no references exist for the 300% (Japan has 200%, over 100% for the USA),
    the number is just wishful thinking.

    As for France running central Africa. Really? That is some convoluted logic. Comparing French influence in central Africa
    to Soviet adventure in Afghanistan is absurd for several reasons:

    1) Afghanistan has a history of kicking out invaders

    2) Afghanistan is a Salafi Islam country which is vastly more militant than most of central Africa

    3) The French influence in Africa stems from the poverty of the dependent states and not military occupation.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:12 pm

    The US with an economy 7x-8x the size of France could not hold onto Iraq and is failing to hold onto Afghanistan.

    More examples: Persia was defeated by Greece, Cyrus the Great was killed in what is today Afghanistan, & later Alexander didn't really conquer those tribes. The British & Russians followed. The Turks,etc. defeated Chinese, cutting off the Silk Route. The Yuan Dynasty Mongols with their Chinese & Korean auxiliaries failed to to take Japan, as well as Vietnam (which later was lost by France & US), & the Chings (the Manjus who took over China & invaded Korea) failed in Burma.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:30 pm

    jhelb wrote:

    That's not true Vlad.

    France occupies an area in Africa that is roughly the size of Australia. The US with an economy 7x-8x the size of France could not hold onto Iraq and is failing to hold onto Afghanistan. Countries that are far smaller with far less people compared to the area occupied by France in Africa.

    Even the Soviet Union with the largest army in the world & the second largest economy had to retreat from Afghanistan.

    If these African countries can get their act together & start attacking the French (like the Iraqis did to the Yankees) it's curtains for the French.

    France is simply capitalizing on the lack of unity among these African countries, a common trait found in most 3rd world countries & Ukraine.

    France has a much more ingenious way to hold onto territory than the US did in its disaster in Iraq. They disbanded the Republican Guard when they should have kept it on to maintain stability and installed their own dictator. That is what the French do in true colonial fashion. The areas the French are in speak the same language, have large diasporas in their country, the same religion and share many homogeneous traits as former colonies, they are only independent in theory as they are still colonies.

    The French speaking Africans don't want the French to go, they see them as protectors. They are far better off having them than Boko Haram taking over.

    France is doing what they have been doing for the last 400 years, running an Empire.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:33 pm

    kvs wrote:300% GDP debt in China.  Don't make me laugh.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_China

    The number is less than 50% GDP.     Since no references exist for the 300% (Japan has 200%, over 100% for the USA),
    the number is just wishful thinking.

    As a true communist country the debt of every state owned enterprise, state owned bank and agency is public debt.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:34 pm

    MiamiMachineShop wrote:
    Hello Vladimir, I greatly appreciate your website. As an American, it is interesting to see a clear anti-chinese position expressed on your behalf. Out of curiosity, almost daily I hear on news and read that Russia and China are best friend allies, but your words seem to imply that Russians like yourself have a generally uneasy take on China. Why is there a disdain for the Chinese? Do Russians such as yourself see China in such a dismissive way? How many Russians would you say feel like this? Not stoking anything, I am greatly curious!

    How can an American understand it? Chinese are to Russians as Mexicans are to Americans.
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    Post  jhelb on Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:04 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:That is what the French do in true colonial fashion.  The areas the French are in speak the same language, have large diasporas in their country, the same religion and share many homogeneous traits as former colonies, they are only independent in theory as they are still colonies.  

    France is doing what they have been doing for the last 400 years, running an Empire.  

    In that case Vlad, there was no need to dissolve the Soviet Union. All the Central Asian states spoke Russian, benefited immensely from the billions of $$ of investments made by the Kremlin. Religion wasn't a problem either.

    Furthermore, if France was satisfied with the security condition in Africa, why deploy such a large force. Look at the UK. It is still milking its former colonies like India for example. They created this fake union after WW-2 & keeps all the states under the control of Delhi. People who run the judiciary, bureaucracy, military, government are exactly the same people that the Brits left behind. Indian state is "under" UK, lock stock and barrel; there is no specific need to penetrate and undermine as the whole structure is theirs anyway. They earn billions from this fake union every year.

    If you want to run an empire, this is how it should be run. France..sorry bad example.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:07 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    jhelb wrote:

    That's not true Vlad.

    France occupies an area in Africa that is roughly the size of Australia. The US with an economy 7x-8x the size of France could not hold onto Iraq and is failing to hold onto Afghanistan. Countries that are far smaller with far less people compared to the area occupied by France in Africa.

    Even the Soviet Union with the largest army in the world & the second largest economy had to retreat from Afghanistan.

    If these African countries can get their act together & start attacking the French (like the Iraqis did to the Yankees) it's curtains for the French.

    France is simply capitalizing on the lack of unity among these African countries, a common trait found in most 3rd world countries & Ukraine.

    France has a much more ingenious way to hold onto territory than the US did in its disaster in Iraq.  They disbanded the Republican Guard when they should have kept it on to maintain stability and installed their own dictator.  That is what the French do in true colonial fashion.  The areas the French are in speak the same language, have large diasporas in their country, the same religion and share many homogeneous traits as former colonies, they are only independent in theory as they are still colonies.  

    The French speaking Africans don't want the French to go, they see them as protectors.  They are far better off having them than Boko Haram taking over.

    France is doing what they have been doing for the last 400 years, running an Empire.  

    You should come to Paris or Marseille and see who is colonizing who ...

    Totally different than 400 years ago.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:17 pm

    People who run the judiciary, bureaucracy, military, government are exactly the same people that the Brits left behind.
    Those r now retired or dead; the new generation is calling the shots there.
    Indian state is "under" UK, lock stock and barrel;..
    then, how do u explain her decades long non-alignment status & friendship with USSR/Russia?
    They earn billions from this fake union every year.
    How? India has a huge trade surplus & buys more goods & weapons from others than from the UK. Her insurance companies & banks can get profits/dividends, but not in the $Bs.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:27 pm

    jhelb wrote:In that case Vlad, there was no need to dissolve the Soviet Union. All the Central Asian states spoke Russian, benefited immensely from the billions of $$ of investments made by the Kremlin. Religion wasn't a problem either.

    Furthermore, if France was satisfied with the security condition in Africa, why deploy such a large force. Look at the UK. It is still milking its former colonies like India for example. They created this fake union after WW-2 & keeps all the states under the control of Delhi. People who run the judiciary, bureaucracy, military, government are exactly the same people that the Brits left behind. Indian state is "under" UK, lock stock and barrel; there is no specific need to penetrate and undermine as the whole structure is theirs anyway. They earn billions from this fake union every year.

    If you want to run an empire, this is how it should be run. France..sorry bad example.

    The Soviet Union bankrupted itself just as China is doing. France is doing it on the cheap, much more cheaply than it costs China in tens of billions of loans per year that will never be paid back.

    France isn't satisfied with the rise of Islamists which is why they are there to eradicate them.

    Your India example makes no sense. The UK Empire collapsed long ago, the French Empire is alive and well.
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    Post  MiamiMachineShop on Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:30 pm

    France is a literal Wakanda. Nuke subs, total oil, and the venerated french pharmaceutics with babatunde as CEO!! We had Obama to give the africans here, but we did not have to give the whole pie you know? Just share the slice. But France is a dowry for African Mandingos lol! The Wakanda team won the world cup btw nothing French about that team afro In all fairness it looks like our basketball team

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