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    Post  Aristide on Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:58 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The article title is too pretentious, but it's true that some components r designed manufactured outside of Europe.
    In 2003, the Airbus Engineering Centre, known as ECAR, was set up in Moscow as a joint venture between Airbus and the Kaskol industrial group. It was Airbus’ first engineering facility outside its home countries and, as of early 2018, employed more than 200 Russian engineers. In this timeframe, ECAR had completed more than 100 projects for Airbus, and work is continuing on the A350-1000, A320neo and A330neo jetliner programmes. ..
    Liebherr Aerospace, in cooperation with Hydromash, produces hydraulic system parts for all Airbus programmes, parts for A350 XWB landing gear, and for A380 flight control systems as well. Hamilton Sundstrand Nauka supplies heat exchangers for the A380’s air generation unit.

    https://www.airbus.com/company/worldwide-presence/russia.html

    China also participates; they are currently found on all production Airbus commercial jetliner types.
    https://www.airbus.com/company/worldwide-presence/china.html
    http://fortune.com/2019/02/28/airbus-jet-assembly-china/

    So what do you imply? That we stop cooperation with Russia? In 2003 ruled Chirac. He wanted a closer friendship between France and Russia

    If you say that was a mistake...

    From the way you talk i assume you want a final break between France and Russia.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:49 pm

    I don't imply anything except admitting that the Airbus success is being by large measure helped from the outside of France.
    France, Germany & Russia had enough wars, real & economic, & now is the time to cooperate for the benefit of their peoples.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:49 am

    France, Germany, America... are all powers in decline... Russia is growing and really would greatly limit its own growth developing too many links with the west...

    I remember in the 1990s British military magazines started out by saying how wonderful the A400M was going to be but the An-70 always seem to have better specs and was always going to be cheaper if it ever made it into production... in fact I suspect part of the reason the EU supported the US coup in the Ukraine is to force them to stop working with Russia and making military gear and it worked... it was the final nail in the coffin of a few Antonov projects and of course damaged the Russian navy in terms of ship engine supply, but in the long term it is still going to bit them in the ass...

    Comments about the Il-112V needing fixes... the whole purpose of the A400M was to move around european IFVs that were too heavy for C-130, but the alternative C-17 was eye wateringly expensive as an alternative, yet the first ones couldn't even carry a 30 ton payload, let alone a T-34 weight Puma at 32 tons...
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    Post  Aristide on Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:France, Germany, America... are all powers in decline... Russia is growing and really would greatly limit its own growth developing too many links with the west...

    I remember in the 1990s British military magazines started out by saying how wonderful the A400M was going to be but the An-70 always seem to have better specs and was always going to be cheaper if it ever made it into production... in fact I suspect part of the reason the EU supported the US coup in the Ukraine is to force them to stop working with Russia and making military gear and it worked... it was the final nail in the coffin of a few Antonov projects and of course damaged the Russian navy in terms of ship engine supply, but in the long term it is still going to bit them in the ass...

    Comments about the Il-112V needing fixes... the whole purpose of the A400M was to move around european IFVs that were too heavy for C-130, but the alternative C-17 was eye wateringly expensive as an alternative, yet the first ones couldn't even carry a 30 ton payload, let alone a T-34 weight Puma at 32 tons...

    Russia is growing. Come back when Russia has a bigger GDP than the city of Paris.

    Fun fact for you, Russia has a smaller economy than ...Spain.

    What great powers do you also have on the radar? Monaco and San Marino?
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    Post  kvs on Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:34 pm

    GarryB wrote:France, Germany, America... are all powers in decline... Russia is growing and really would greatly limit its own growth developing too many links with the west...

    I remember in the 1990s British military magazines started out by saying how wonderful the A400M was going to be but the An-70 always seem to have better specs and was always going to be cheaper if it ever made it into production... in fact I suspect part of the reason the EU supported the US coup in the Ukraine is to force them to stop working with Russia and making military gear and it worked... it was the final nail in the coffin of a few Antonov projects and of course damaged the Russian navy in terms of ship engine supply, but in the long term it is still going to bit them in the ass...

    Comments about the Il-112V needing fixes... the whole purpose of the A400M was to move around european IFVs that were too heavy for C-130, but the alternative C-17 was eye wateringly expensive as an alternative, yet the first ones couldn't even carry a 30 ton payload, let alone a T-34 weight Puma at 32 tons...

    France is not and has not been a "power" for a long time.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:38 pm

    Fun fact for you, Russia has a smaller economy than ...Spain.
    What matters is that Russia is indispensable for China's OBOR; as long as she's strong enough to cut it in Kazakhstan, along the NSR, mid-Arctic &/ on her own territory, China will continue to behave well. Russia's resources & China's #2 economy (+2 Koreas joining OBOR soon & India's N-S transport corridor) makes her on a par with the the EU, much less France, which has 7(!) times more gov. debt, & its GDP is only 30% more than Russia; while her public debt is 90.3%(!) of GDP, 12 times more than Russia; unemployment rate is 9.8%, 78% more than Russia:
    https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/France/Russia/Economy
    https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/france/russia


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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:38 pm

    kvs wrote:

    France is not and has not been a "power" for a long time.  

    It sure looks like it is...

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    Post  Isos on Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:43 pm

    France is loosing Africa to China at supersonic speed.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:02 pm

    Isos wrote:France is loosing Africa to China at supersonic speed.

    When France overthrew the Colonel in Libya, China lost tens of billions of investment that is never paid back. If you don't control the ground you don't actually control anything.
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    Post  Aristide on Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:15 pm

    No, China rules nothing, we control the land, they send money. We install muppets, we topple muppets. In libya china lost billions. Their investment is welcome tgough. Stupid chinese money flows ditect back to France.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:30 pm

    China is sending slowly militaries in Africa. Just like Russia.

    With Haftar it's gonna be easier to retake what they lost.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:34 pm

    Isos wrote:China is sending slowly militaries in Africa. Just like Russia.

    With Haftar it's gonna be easier to retake what they lost.

    China has a navy base in Djibouti, if they ever act up there is battalion of French troops right down the road ready to take care of it backed up by a fighter squadron.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:02 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Isos wrote:China is sending slowly militaries in Africa. Just like Russia.

    With Haftar it's gonna be easier to retake what they lost.

    China has a navy base in Djibouti, if they ever act up there is battalion of French troops right down the road ready to take care of it backed up by a fighter squadron.

    It's not about military confrontation but more like dog pissing on trees to delimit their territory. Once china sends its troops they are more free to do anything they want while french are more limited.

    Russia send some bodyguards for the central african president and they are already saying Russia is taking french place there while they can't do anything against russian militaries even if they have rafales near by.

    It's just a matter of time to see chinese missiles and fighters in Africa. They are not spending billions for nothing there.
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    Post  Aristide on Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:04 pm

    Isos wrote:China is sending slowly militaries in Africa. Just like Russia.

    With Haftar it's gonna be easier to retake what they lost.

    Good luck with that

    Haftar is our man in libya

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    His family even lives in Paris and he is shareholder of french TOTAL oil company.

    China sends nothing, china depends on peace and china knows that. Russia knows thst as well.
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    Post  Aristide on Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:11 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Isos wrote:China is sending slowly militaries in Africa. Just like Russia.

    With Haftar it's gonna be easier to retake what they lost.

    China has a navy base in Djibouti, if they ever act up there is battalion of French troops right down the road ready to take care of it backed up by a fighter squadron.

    It's not about military confrontation but more like dog pissing on trees to delimit their territory. Once china sends its troops they are more free to do anything they want while french are more limited.

    Russia send some bodyguards for the central african president and they are already saying Russia is taking french place there while they can't do anything against russian militaries even if they have rafales near by.

    It's just a matter of time to see chinese missiles and fighters in Africa. They are not spending billions for nothing there.

    How do you like our tactic to stirr up anti chinese racism in africa? Its quite sucessful. More and more chinese get attacked in africa, chinese property burned down ect.



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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:19 pm

    China sends nothing, china depends on peace and china knows that.
    FYI, she already sent troops to Syria & Venezuela, & earlier ships to the Med. Sea. Africa, where they r building railroads, is the closest to S. America; China is prepared to use the force of arms to defend her interests. The Chinese under the Ming Dynasty got to sub-Saharan Africa before the French & other Europeans did. Now they r back!
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    Post  Isos on Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:20 pm

    How do you like our tactic to stirr up anti chinese racism in africa? Its quite sucessful. More and more chinese get attacked in africa, chinese property burned down ect.

    China is becoming like US. They will need more than anyone else every available ressources. Specially places where to fish.

    Once they put a puppet there, have planes, two more bases, sell fighters to this puppet, then they will just bomb house of those who attack chinese militaries. As long as top leader in african countries are paid no one will care about the population being victim of racism.

    Just like US are doing in irak, afghanistan, south america ...

    This thing has already started like in Venezuela. They send their military, US can't do anything. They still need much more to do to achieve what they want but this is a signal "we are coming everywhere".


    Good luck with that

    Haftar is our man in libya

    First rule in inter' relations: don't trust others officials.

    Even US fucked france with Trump while they were blinded by US/French friendship.

    This guy is as trustworthy as those peacefull terrorist in Idlib.


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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:20 pm

    Isos wrote:

    It's not about military confrontation but more like dog pissing on trees to delimit their territory. Once china sends its troops they are more free to do anything they want while french are more limited.

    Russia send some bodyguards for the central african president and they are already saying Russia is taking french place there while they can't do anything against russian militaries even if they have rafales near by.

    It's just a matter of time to see chinese missiles and fighters in Africa. They are not spending billions for nothing there.

    The Chinese strategy is loan money to governments that can't pay and can be overthrown by a coup at any time with no force to keep their pawns in power.

    France has the power to install anyone they want, anywhere they want and make the entire region reliant on that power.  

    We have seen how Chinese troops act in South Sudan hiding behind their base while UN forces are calling for help.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:25 pm

    We have seen how Chinese troops act in South Sudan hiding behind their base while UN forces are calling for help.

    We also saw europeans giving civilians in Bosnia to serbs so that they can be genocided.

    As far as I know french use always aviation with 1000kg laser guided bombs every time they meet a guy with a motorcycle and an ak-47 in africa.

    Once chinese send ships full of cruise missiles and aviation there they will do the same.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:34 pm

    Isos wrote:

    We also saw europeans giving civilians in Bosnia to serbs so that they can be genocided.

    As far as I know french use always aviation with 1000kg laser guided bombs every time they meet a guy with a motorcycle and an ak-47 in africa.

    Once chinese send ships full of cruise missiles and aviation there they will do the same.

    France isn't afraid to use its power, it isn't something you will find them apologizing for. They have one of the most active militaries in the world... far more active than China.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:40 pm

    U forgot about UAVs!
    The Chinese r good at winning w/o fighting, while French r good at loosing even when/after fighting.
    They have Ms of their ethnic brethren on all continents that the gov. can count on. The Sun never sets over them.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:44 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:U forgot about UAVs!
    The Chinese r good at winning w/o fighting, while french r good at loosing even when fighting. They have Ms of their ethnic brethren on all continents that the gov. can count on.
    The Sun never sets over them.

    About Chinese UAVs...

    The Chinese military equipment being acquired by African countries is not of a high quality, according to the US Army general nominated as the next commander of the US military's Africa Command (AFRICOM).

    "Chinese engagement has marginally improved some African militaries through military equipment sales and limited training, although endemic quality concerns probably make any improvements short-lived," General Stephen Townsend said in written answers to questions submitted before a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee on 2 April.

    He gave one example, saying the Chinese unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) that Nigeria acquired to improve its counter-terrorism capabilities are used infrequently due to their "poor quality".

    https://www.janes.com/article/87680/us-general-dismisses-chinese-kit-in-africa

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:49 pm

    Those r export models. The PLA has the better 1s I'm sure.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:17 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Those r export models. The PLA has the better 1s I'm sure.

    How does the saying go? You get what you pay for...
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:38 am

    He is hardly going to gush about the high quality of Chinese stuff... they have known about Russian cruise missiles for over two decades, yet their performance came as a shock when used in Syria...

    For the few dollars they paid for them I am sure there might be a few duds, but hey, the alternative is multi million dollar US or Israeli alternatives that are not being offered for sale let alone are affordable.

    In the mean time they are getting experience... hell they could probably learn to make some themselves down the road a little...

    Amusing that France is the evil imperial power the west claims that the Russians are, but as I said... France is not winning new friends, and China and Russia are growing.

    America has had north central and south america to itself and is currently acting out because China and Russia seem to be active in Venezuela against their permission and wishes... France will do the same... but Russia and China are not going to invade and take over colonies with force, their trade offers and behaviour of not telling the countries they trade with how to live or what to do will pretty soon make those oppressed countries realise what a shit deal they have been getting from France and the US all these years and that there are actually alternative options out there... maybe not even Russia or China... maybe a country of their own choosing...

    The internet will also help them realise the quality of life and future potential is currently being controlled by people like Borat here.

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