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    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:23 am

    Good news regarding the MiG-AT... it seemed the thoughts at the time the Yak was selected that they both would do the job, the MiG would be cheaper, but the Yak had potential to be further developed into a light strike aircraft and various other planned models... none of which ever made it to service.

    Having two jet fighter trainers might sound wasteful, but if the Su-35 and Su-57 are going to be single seat aircraft then an extra training stage would be valuable.

    I liked the idea of the SR-10, but clearly it is not good enough.
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    Post  marcellogo on Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:04 pm

    GarryB wrote:Good news regarding the MiG-AT... it seemed the thoughts at the time the Yak was selected that they both would do the job, the MiG would be cheaper, but the Yak had potential to be further developed into a light strike aircraft and various other planned models... none of which ever made it to service.

    Having two jet fighter trainers might sound wasteful, but if the Su-35 and Su-57 are going to be single seat aircraft then an extra training stage would be valuable.

    I liked the idea of the SR-10, but clearly it is not good enough.

    In every case i quite a good news: it will reply the trhee plane model used by AMI with its "diverse twin" M-346.

    SF260T (i.e. with turboprop)-M-345-M346

    SR-10 would have been better in this sense as it would be of the same class of M-345 while MiG-AT is heavier than former M-339.
    M-346/Yak-130 are very costly to operate but they are a must if you want to replicate performance of a 4++ gen plane so the idea is to use it just for advanced phase + a part of the syllabus previously made on OCU/ U version of fighter itself
    Turboprop plane would in the same way take a part of the basic training made previously with the former jet trainer and a lighter, more economical trainer would close the gap between the two.
    Overall result is consistent savings and a way smoother transition between different phases.
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    Post  eehnie on Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:54 pm


    The most recent news seem to rule out again the option of the MiG-AT as basic trainer auxiliary aircraft.

    http://mil.today/2018/23182/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=rss&utm_campaign=miltoday
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    Post  Isos on Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:12 pm

    If mig wants to to sell a trainer jet to russia, they need to make it between yak-152 and yak-130.

    IMO it must be a jet, without weapons, without advanced cockpit, simple, reliable and cheap.

    Once pilots are trained on yak-152 and basics of flight, the new trainer should train them to fly a jet. Then yak-130 trains them to fly a jet with advanced avionics, weapon use, dogfight ... and then UB versions of their future fighters.

    It should also dicrease the number of yak-130 crashes ...

    Having two jet fighter trainers might sound wasteful, but if the Su-35 and Su-57 are going to be single seat aircraft then an extra training stage would be valuable.

    New trained pilots won't fly in su-57. They will go first on mig-29/35 and su-27/30.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:49 pm

    A new runway was built at the Belbek airfield in the Crimea

    As the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported on November 22, 2018, the first all-weather aircraft of the military transport aircraft An-148 landed at the military airfield Belbek in the Republic of Crimea.

    On the eve, the specialists of the Military Building Complex of the Ministry of Defense of Russia completed the construction of a new runway (344 meters).

    The construction of a strategic facility was carried out at the direction of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Russia President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin.



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    Post  George1 on Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:40 am

    Photo report from the 55th separate helicopter regiment in Korenovsk

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3437193.html

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    Post  Hole on Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:37 am

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    Why is this guy harassing the poor helicopter?
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    Post  Hole on Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:45 pm

    Weird looking Tu-214.

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    Testbed for new radar/systems for Tu-160M2?
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    Post  Isos on Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:07 pm

    Hole wrote:Weird looking Tu-214.



    Testbed for new radar/systems for Tu-160M2?

    Or pak da.

    Isn't such noise more dynamic for civilian planes (so more fuel efficiant) ? The plane looks awsome like that.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:09 am

    New trained pilots won't fly in su-57. They will go first on mig-29/35 and su-27/30.

    Of course not, what I mean is that in the early 1980s an experienced pilot who flew MiG-21 and MiG-15 and MiG-23 and who is now assigned to fly a MiG-29 could fly in the MiG-29UB to learn its foibles and strange features before being left alone in the single seat model MiG-29.

    With the Su-35 and Su-57 being single seat only the best they can do is fly in an Su-30 to see what it is like, but it is not really the same...

    The Yak-130 has a special flight control system to allow the aircraft to simulate different flight characteristics from heavy transports to light or medium or heavy fighters/fighter bombers.

    Getting used to different types during training would help pilots get used to adapting to different types....

    Or pak da.

    Probably both, though likely Blackjack as it is going to need it first... by 2025 when they start production of the PAK DA then they might need to get the radar right then.

    Isn't such noise more dynamic for civilian planes (so more fuel efficiant) ? The plane looks awsome like that.

    It is clearly the nose of a supersonic or transonic aircraft... most likely Blackjack, though it could just as easily be Backfire for the new model nose incorporating the inflight refuelling probe like the Blackjacks.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:15 am

    It is clearly the nose of a supersonic or transonic aircraft... most likely Blackjack, though it could just as easily be Backfire for the new model nose incorporating the inflight refuelling probe like the Blackjacks.

    I was asking if the nose would make a civilian plan like the one on the picture more fuel efficiant.
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    Post  Hole on Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:09 am

    If it would, all civilian airliners would look like this. This nose form is only needed on supersonic planes.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:54 am

    No.

    With subsonic items the front is not really hugely important, it is the rear that determines a lot of the drag.

    At supersonic speeds the nose is critical, while the tail is not so important.

    Take a look at bullets... high velocity rifle bullets have pointy noses, while low velocity pistol bullets tend to have flat rounded noses.

    Of course even for a high velocity rifle bullet the rear end might not be important at the start of the flight at high supersonic speed, but a more aerodynamic tail can make a huge difference in flight range... with a flat tail a 308 rifle bullet might travel 3-4km, while with a boat tailed bullet (ie gets narrower at the back like the rear of a boat) can reduce drag while the bullet moves at subsonic speed extending ballistic range to 5-6km.
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    Post  Azi on Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:39 am

    Isos wrote:
    It is clearly the nose of a supersonic or transonic aircraft... most likely Blackjack, though it could just as easily be Backfire for the new model nose incorporating the inflight refuelling probe like the Blackjacks.

    I was asking if the nose would make a civilian plan like the one on the picture more fuel efficiant.
    Yes! It would make the plane more fuel efficient, but only a little little bit at subsonic speeds.

    The reason why nose of regular airliners don't look like this is simple...pilots couldn't see the runway, they would see only the nose. That's why the Concorde and Tu-144 had a lowerable nose ("droop-nose"). Requirements for civilian airplanes and military airplanes are different! A civilian aircraft should also be able to land without instruments, only by sight.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:23 am

    Hole wrote:Weird looking Tu-214.
    Testbed for new radar/systems for Tu-160M2?

    and PAK DA,offcially russia russia russia

    Today, the press service of PJSC Tupolev, in a letter to BUSINESS Online, explained the purpose of creating a new aircraft: tests of experimental
    equipment installed on upgraded and newly developed aircraft. The purpose of the work on the Tu-214LMK is to create a flying laboratory
    for testing in-flight complexes of the on-board equipment Tu-160 and in the future - the PAK DA ".


    https://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/400185
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:31 am

    Good interview about the future of VVS:

    https://uacrussia.livejournal.com/83886.html
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:21 pm

    Do not find a specific thread for this, but the news are relevant: Tactical Missiles Corporation finishing R&D in no less than 14 new missiles this year:

    http://tass.com/defense/1041562

    "This year, we have serious plans: we need to complete a total of 14 [R&D] works," the chief executive said.

    "Several works are linked with ‘air-to-air,’ air-to-surface’ and air-to-ship’ weapons. And about a third of works are related to coastal missile systems and underwater naval weapons," Obnosov said.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:06 pm

    According to SouthFront yesterday a Su-34 used a Kh-35U to destroy a building in Raqqa/Syria.

    https://southfront.org/russia-used-anti-ship-missile-to-pinpoint-strike-ground-target-in-syria-video/
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    Post  Isos on Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:58 am

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bv0qedJH6Ih/

    Interesting comment from a real russian pilot. But bad translation. I think he is suggesting of intruducing cheap single engine fighters.

    Can anyone translates ? Maybe Vlad79 ?
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    Post  ult on Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:46 pm

    That guy is not a pilot. He knows pilots. And he's been known to spew bullshit before. Like not being able to tell apart F-15 and F-22.
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    Post  LMFS on Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:22 pm

    This was the first account to show pictures of Okhotnik if I am not wrong, rumour is it is linked to VVS somehow so I would not dismiss what they disclose.

    From what I understood, they are saying that in the 90's they scrapped many single engine planes and now use twin engine ones, which are very expensive and have increased failure rate, though the probability of total loss of the plane decreases. And they say they are developing single engine plane, I didn't find the word fighter anywhere but seems the logical assumption doesn't it? Would be great to know more but a hint is all we have.

    They talk about TVCs and supercruising engine too.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:50 pm

    Many pilots like to share their experience with aviation fans. This one seems that sort of person and probably used or somehow controled by the VKS so that he shares what they want to be shared. Like the f-22 on OLS, or images of the norvegian intel ship, or those stories about f-18 dogfight near japan.

    A picture of a f-22 on a su-35 ols won't be shared anyday soon by any pilot without green light from top generals. They would be fired if they do that by their own.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:04 pm

    Isos wrote:Many pilots like to share their experience with aviation fans. This one seems that sort of person and probably used or somehow controled by the VKS so that he shares what they want to be shared. Like the f-22 on OLS, or images of the norvegian intel ship, or those stories about f-18 dogfight near japan.

    A picture of a f-22 on a su-35 ols won't be shared anyday soon by any pilot without green light from top generals. They would be fired if they do that by their own.
    Please forgive my ignorance but what does "OLS" stand for?
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    Post  LMFS on Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:04 pm

    Isos wrote:A picture of a f-22 on a su-35 ols won't be shared anyday soon by any pilot without green light from top generals. They would be fired if they do that by their own.
    Or simply jailed. Agreed he is not just a guy leaking info without anybody noticing.

    BTW the statement regarding ongoing development of single engine may fit the Okhotnik indeed. STOVL concepts may also be single engine.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:06 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Please forgive my ignorance but what does "OLS" stand for?

    Optical Locator System. The "camera" in front of the cockpit, above the radar that you can see on mig-29 and su-27 families and even on su-57.

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