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    Post  George1 on Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:56 pm

    Upgraded Khibiny EW complexes join air units in course of modernisation and re-equipment programme

    http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12181542@egNews
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    Post  George1 on Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:15 am

    The Russian Defense Ministry again shows interest in the MiG-AT aircraft

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    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3255479.html
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:35 am


    ^^^So what's the story here? Don't they already have Yak-130?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:51 am

    Probably a way to support Mikoyan.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:13 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ^^^So what's the story here? Don't they already have Yak-130?

    Yak-130 is for advanced training. MiG-AT is intended for basic training
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    Post  archangelski on Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:10 am

    George1 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    ^^^So what's the story here? Don't they already have Yak-130?

    Yak-130 is for advanced training. MiG-AT is intended for basic training

    An other aircraft in inventory, between the Yak-152 and the Yak-130 ??
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    Post  Hole on Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:22 am

    Both aircraft are for the same role. Advanced Training. It´s even in its name: MiG-AT.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:10 pm

    archangelski wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    ^^^So what's the story here? Don't they already have Yak-130?

    Yak-130 is for advanced training. MiG-AT is intended for basic training

    An other aircraft in inventory, between the Yak-152 and the Yak-130 ??

    Or between the sr-10 and yak 130 I would say.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:17 pm

    Isos wrote:
    archangelski wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    ^^^So what's the story here? Don't they already have Yak-130?

    Yak-130 is for advanced training. MiG-AT is intended for basic training

    An other aircraft in inventory, between the Yak-152 and the Yak-130 ??

    Or between the sr-10 and yak 130 I would say.

    No the article say that it will be selected instead of sr-10

    Elementary training: Yak-152
    Basic training: MiG-AT
    Advanced training: Yak-130
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    Post  archangelski on Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:50 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    archangelski wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    ^^^So what's the story here? Don't they already have Yak-130?

    Yak-130 is for advanced training. MiG-AT is intended for basic training

    An other aircraft in inventory, between the Yak-152 and the Yak-130 ??

    Or between the sr-10 and yak 130 I would say.

    No the article say that it will be selected instead of sr-10

    Elementary training: Yak-152
    Basic training: MiG-AT
    Advanced training: Yak-130

    Thank you. But I would have preferred the idea of PapaDragon. MiG is too close to Yak-130 in capacity (it was it's opponent in the program for the supply of a training plane).


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    Post  medo on Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:33 am

    MiG-AT and Yak-130 are in the same class of trainers and both are twin engine planes. Decision to go with MiG-AT in production could only mean, that something went wrong with SR-10. But there is also other option to replace SR-10. Yak-152 is still in testing phase and they could easily develop a little bigger version with turboprop engine instead of diesel one and get advanced trainer in the class of PC-9 or PC-21, which could be used between basic Yak-152 and Yak-130.

    PC-9 or Tucano are not used as basic trainers, Diamond DA-40 or Zlin-242 are used before pilots went to PC-9 or Tucano, which are turboprop planes.
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    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:47 pm

    medo wrote:MiG-AT and Yak-130 are in the same class of trainers and both are twin engine planes. Decision to go with MiG-AT in production could only mean, that something went wrong with SR-10. .

    yesm article says that is MiG-AT preferable to sr-10
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:41 pm

    George1 wrote:
    medo wrote:MiG-AT and Yak-130 are in the same class of trainers and both are twin engine planes. Decision to go with MiG-AT in production could only mean, that something went wrong with SR-10. .

    yesm article says that is MiG-AT preferable to sr-10

    SR-10 is a civilian enthusiast aircraft.

    Military pitch was afterthought.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:03 pm

    George1 wrote:
    medo wrote:MiG-AT and Yak-130 are in the same class of trainers and both are twin engine planes. Decision to go with MiG-AT in production could only mean, that something went wrong with SR-10. .

    yesm article says that is MiG-AT preferable to sr-10

    Mig is a big company that don't produce a lot since 90s. It is better to support them than add another company that would produce fighters/trainers while they already have mig sukhoi yak ...
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:50 am

    The Ka-52 helicopter of the Russian Air Force's military aviation fleet with the aircraft numbers and inscriptions printed in accordance with the new standard scheme adopted by the VKS.

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    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:31 am

    14th An-148 for the Ministry of Defense of Russia

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    After the completion of the contract with the Russian Defense Ministry to supply 15 of these aircraft, in 2019 further construction of An-148 aircraft in Voronezh will be frozen.

    According to the known data, of the 13 received by the Ministry of Defense of Russia by the present contract for the AN-148-100E aircraft, nine are part of the 8th Special Purpose Air Division at the Chkalovsky (Moscow region) aerodrome, two in the 33rd separate transport mixed aviation regiment of the 6th Air Force and Air Defense Army of the Western Military District (Levashovo, Leningrad Region) and two - in the 30th separate transport mixed aviation regiment of the 4th Red Banner Army of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Southern Military District (Rostov-on- Don).

    According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, the last two new An-148-100E aircraft of the 2018 program (boards with serial numbers 44-01 and 44-02) will be delivered to the 390th separate mixed transport aviation regiment of the Central Military District stationed at Koltsovo airfield in Sverdlovsk region. The pilots of the 390th regiment are already undergoing retraining

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:28 pm

    Su-35S fighters took the alert duty on the Kuriles
    http://warsonline.info/siriia/novosti/rossiia/su35-kurily060818-2.html

    Only 3 r visible. I would expect the naval SU-30SMs going there too.
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    Post  franco on Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:36 pm

    To help celebrate the 106th anniversary of the Russian Air Forces...

    "Two third of flying and technical personnel of the Russian air force received field practice during the military operation in Syria, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Saturday on the air with the Rossiya 24 TV Channel.

    “Speaking about aviation, I would say that a greater portion, two thirds of flying and technical staff, received in-field practice and had extensive combat practice. We now have many young pilots with one hundred and more tactical missions,” he stated.

    “We made scheduled rotations, so that as much flying staff as possible could participate in this operation, in the operation against international terrorism. However, this refers to other services as well,” the minister said."
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:03 pm

    Upgraded Su-25SMs will be deployed to the AB Kant in Kyrgyzstan  
    https://riafan.ru/1087472-modernizirovannye-su-25sm-postupyat-na-bazu-vks-rf-v-kirgizii
    http://newstes.ru/2018/08/12/modernizirovannye-su-25sm-do-konca-goda-postupyat-na-bazu-rf-v-kirgizii.html

    They may be sent to bomb the ISIS now in Afghanistan, many of whom came from Syria &/ Iraq.
    https://sputniknews.com/science/201608281044705045-su-25-flying-tank/
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    Post  franco on Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:15 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Upgraded Su-25SMs will be deployed to the AB Kant in Kyrgyzstan  
    https://riafan.ru/1087472-modernizirovannye-su-25sm-postupyat-na-bazu-vks-rf-v-kirgizii
    http://newstes.ru/2018/08/12/modernizirovannye-su-25sm-do-konca-goda-postupyat-na-bazu-rf-v-kirgizii.html

    They may be sent to bomb the ISIS now in Afghanistan, many of whom came from Syria &/ Iraq.
    https://sputniknews.com/science/201608281044705045-su-25-flying-tank/

    Or they maybe upgrading and replacing the regular Su-25's stationed there. They are there to assist Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan if any Jihadist come across their borders.
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    Post  LMFS on Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:55 pm

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:23 am

    Good news regarding the MiG-AT... it seemed the thoughts at the time the Yak was selected that they both would do the job, the MiG would be cheaper, but the Yak had potential to be further developed into a light strike aircraft and various other planned models... none of which ever made it to service.

    Having two jet fighter trainers might sound wasteful, but if the Su-35 and Su-57 are going to be single seat aircraft then an extra training stage would be valuable.

    I liked the idea of the SR-10, but clearly it is not good enough.
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    Post  marcellogo on Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:04 pm

    GarryB wrote:Good news regarding the MiG-AT... it seemed the thoughts at the time the Yak was selected that they both would do the job, the MiG would be cheaper, but the Yak had potential to be further developed into a light strike aircraft and various other planned models... none of which ever made it to service.

    Having two jet fighter trainers might sound wasteful, but if the Su-35 and Su-57 are going to be single seat aircraft then an extra training stage would be valuable.

    I liked the idea of the SR-10, but clearly it is not good enough.

    In every case i quite a good news: it will reply the trhee plane model used by AMI with its "diverse twin" M-346.

    SF260T (i.e. with turboprop)-M-345-M346

    SR-10 would have been better in this sense as it would be of the same class of M-345 while MiG-AT is heavier than former M-339.
    M-346/Yak-130 are very costly to operate but they are a must if you want to replicate performance of a 4++ gen plane so the idea is to use it just for advanced phase + a part of the syllabus previously made on OCU/ U version of fighter itself
    Turboprop plane would in the same way take a part of the basic training made previously with the former jet trainer and a lighter, more economical trainer would close the gap between the two.
    Overall result is consistent savings and a way smoother transition between different phases.
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    Post  eehnie on Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:54 pm


    The most recent news seem to rule out again the option of the MiG-AT as basic trainer auxiliary aircraft.

    http://mil.today/2018/23182/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=rss&utm_campaign=miltoday
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    Post  Isos on Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:12 pm

    If mig wants to to sell a trainer jet to russia, they need to make it between yak-152 and yak-130.

    IMO it must be a jet, without weapons, without advanced cockpit, simple, reliable and cheap.

    Once pilots are trained on yak-152 and basics of flight, the new trainer should train them to fly a jet. Then yak-130 trains them to fly a jet with advanced avionics, weapon use, dogfight ... and then UB versions of their future fighters.

    It should also dicrease the number of yak-130 crashes ...

    Having two jet fighter trainers might sound wasteful, but if the Su-35 and Su-57 are going to be single seat aircraft then an extra training stage would be valuable.

    New trained pilots won't fly in su-57. They will go first on mig-29/35 and su-27/30.

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