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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:07 pm

    Well its nice to see that you (eehnie) included in your last comment you analysed and your opinion. Because this is exactly what it is your opinion and your analysis. But if you want people to read and take on board your side of things u should also being willing to do the same to theirs including by industry experts and ex servicemen. I would definitely say Rostec have analysed the market and have a better understanding of it than you, I or anyone on this forum.

    Also you stated that helicopters are preferred by the markets. Yet ask yourself how many An-2 and other similar aircraft(cessna etc) are in service around the world if as you said that helicopters a preferred then surely there would be no such aircraft in service or continued to be produced and continued to be designed. So I would have to say I think your market analysis is poor. And it's(helicopters) obviously not the preferred choice for polar Airlines who have decided to replace their fleet with 200 TVS 2DTS and not mi-17. And other countries have shown a lot of interest. As stated many times by me and many others helicopters that you used as an example don't have the flight range or flight endurance as the TVS 2DTS and are much more expensive and harder than the TVS 2DTS to operate.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:00 am

    No GarryB, no, I ignored not what aircraft has a chance and what not. I just analyzed it:

    I am guessing English is not your first language.

    To analyse something is to examine it.... you haven't analysed the list you just repeated it.

    To analyse the list you need to look at the alternative options for the various customers (though in this case being a military thread you should just really be focussing on military aircraft and the needs of the military) and also evaluate them as candidates.

    First of all if the list in the light weight aircraft to deliver small groups of paratroopers and allow them to skydive from the aircraft, where currently they are using the An-2, you need to ask why they have not bought more.

    Well obviously they had enough for their needs and different alternatives were foreign made or not good enough to fully replace the An-2s currently being used.

    You also need to take into account that this situation is not static and now that a new composite replacement for the An-2 is ready and it is pretty much all Russian made except with a foreign engine you can see that the current situation where no Russian replacement is available has changed...

    The same can be said for the An-24/26, with Il-112s and Il-114s getting into production shortly and of course by the mid 2025s there is going to be a real problem with too many An-12s needing to be retired, and that problem will be solved with IL-276s being developed now.


    The Russian civil market in the past has had the opportunity of buying western aircraft, but with sanctions from the west this is becoming more and more troublesome, while the Russian military market needs all or mostly Russian aircraft, which will be a serious boost to Russian companies... the new purchases by the Russian military will stimulate growth in transport aircraft technology which should also transfer to civil airliner alternatives too.
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    Post  eehnie on Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:27 am

    Being from where Im, obviously English is not my first language, you know it perfectly from before, you need not to guess, but the word analysis is not a problem for me. In Basque language the clasical word is azterket(a) (last "a" being "the"), but also the word analisi(a) is accepted. In Spanish is the word is análisis, and in French the word is analyse. The concept is not rare to me from the languages that I know better, and less being a technical word.

    The lists exposed and the conclusions obtained are the postable result of the analysis. The complete lists were obtained collecting data and the explained conclusions were obtained in the process of analyzing. The lists have the purpose of exposing the complete picture in a few words. I copied not them, there is not source that contain all the cases, they are original and you know it. In the case of the less known projects of aircrafts I included links to external sources after selecting between the most complete of them, to allow the readers to see easily which cases are refered, but it means not that these are the alone sources I checked for every aircraft.

    What you say, has been done.

    In your case instead, there is not evidence of analysis, and you continue still with previous mistakes.
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    Post  eehnie on Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:05 pm

    The delivery of Diamond DA42 trainer, seems cancelled. Very likely the aircraft failed in the military tests, as consequence the aircraft would not be adopted, and the 3 units used for testing, previously reported as delivered, would be out of the Russian Armed Forces.

    http://mil.today/2018/23182/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=rss&utm_campaign=miltoday

    Source: Russian Air Force Buys 230 Prop-Driven Trainer Airplanes

    4 October 2018 17:13 Rubric: Russia, Future

    The Russian Defense Ministry is going to procure 230 propeller-driven training airplanes for military pilot cadets, an informed insider from aircraft industry told Mil.Press Today.

    "The military agency is about to buy 230 propeller planes for primary training of pilots. It is not specified what exactly planes are in question though. Defense minister Sergey Shoigu has signed the corresponding document", explained the source in the interview to Mil.Press Today.

    According to the interviewee, this issue will be clarified after completion of state trials of Yak-152, and the only competitor for the contract will be Austrian plane Diamond DART-550.
    Honored pilot of Russia, General Alexander Akhlyustin believes Yak-152 has more chances to win the tender. "It is just the kind of plane (Yak-152 – editor’s remark) that pilots need for basic training. Without extra frills, the main thing is that cadets develop tactile perception of airplane control, can rapidly make decisions as of speed, altitude and flight course", he said.
    In May 2018, press service of Ural Works of Civil Aviation (UWCA) told Mil.Press Today that the company would not deliver Diamond DA42Т airplanes to the Russian Airspace Force.

    For reference

    The primary trainer airplane Yak-152 performed the maiden flight on September 29, 2016. In spring 2018 it was reported about localization of the aircraft engine. Production of the German powerplant RED-A03T was delegated to a company named Russo-Balt. Earlier, Mil.Press Today reported that Yak-152 was tested in critical flight conditions.

    After training course on Yak-152, pilots will continue practice on Yak-130. Thanks to similar avionics, cockpit ergonomics and indication, the perspective airplane integrates into the two-stage pilot training system, following with the more sophisticated operational trainer Yak-130.

    Turboprop airplanes Diamond DART-550 are designed by Austrian Diamond Aircraft Industries for basic training in flight schools. The key difference of DART-550 from the previously built two flight prototypes DART-450 is the turboprop engine General Electric GE H75-100. Max takeoff weight of DART-550 is 2,400 kg, max speed near ground is 460 kph, max endurance is 8 hours.

    This new also likely means that the MiG-AT has been also ruled out as basic trainer.

    To note the reference to the training system in 2 stages: basic and advanced.
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    Post  marcellogo on Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:38 pm

    eehnie wrote:The delivery of Diamond DA42 trainer, seems cancelled. Very likely the aircraft failed in the military tests, as consequence the aircraft would not be adopted, and the 3 units used for testing, previously reported as delivered, would be out of the Russian Armed Forces.

    http://mil.today/2018/23182/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=rss&utm_campaign=miltoday

    Source: Russian Air Force Buys 230 Prop-Driven Trainer Airplanes

    4 October 2018 17:13 Rubric: Russia, Future

    The Russian Defense Ministry is going to procure 230 propeller-driven training airplanes for military pilot cadets, an informed insider from aircraft industry told Mil.Press Today.

    "The military agency is about to buy 230 propeller planes for primary training of pilots. It is not specified what exactly planes are in question though. Defense minister Sergey Shoigu has signed the corresponding document", explained the source in the interview to Mil.Press Today.

    According to the interviewee, this issue will be clarified after completion of state trials of Yak-152, and the only competitor for the contract will be Austrian plane Diamond DART-550.
    Honored pilot of Russia, General Alexander Akhlyustin believes Yak-152 has more chances to win the tender. "It is just the kind of plane (Yak-152 – editor’s remark) that pilots need for basic training. Without extra frills, the main thing is that cadets develop tactile perception of airplane control, can rapidly make decisions as of speed, altitude and flight course", he said.
    In May 2018, press service of Ural Works of Civil Aviation (UWCA) told Mil.Press Today that the company would not deliver Diamond DA42Т airplanes to the Russian Airspace Force.

    For reference

    The primary trainer airplane Yak-152 performed the maiden flight on September 29, 2016. In spring 2018 it was reported about localization of the aircraft engine. Production of the German powerplant RED-A03T was delegated to a company named Russo-Balt. Earlier, Mil.Press Today reported that Yak-152 was tested in critical flight conditions.

    After training course on Yak-152, pilots will continue practice on Yak-130. Thanks to similar avionics, cockpit ergonomics and indication, the perspective airplane integrates into the two-stage pilot training system, following with the more sophisticated operational trainer Yak-130.

    Turboprop airplanes Diamond DART-550 are designed by Austrian Diamond Aircraft Industries for basic training in flight schools. The key difference of DART-550 from the previously built two flight prototypes DART-450 is the turboprop engine General Electric GE H75-100. Max takeoff weight of DART-550 is 2,400 kg, max speed near ground is 460 kph, max endurance is 8 hours.

    This new also likely means that the MiG-AT has been also ruled out as basic trainer.

    To note the reference to the training system in 2 stages: basic and advanced.
    Suspect To tell the truth they are talking bout primary trainer i.e. the very first one plane someone flight on, basic and advanced training are way different ones.
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    Post  eehnie on Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:18 pm

    marcellogo wrote:
    eehnie wrote:The delivery of Diamond DA42 trainer, seems cancelled. Very likely the aircraft failed in the military tests, as consequence the aircraft would not be adopted, and the 3 units used for testing, previously reported as delivered, would be out of the Russian Armed Forces.

    http://mil.today/2018/23182/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=rss&utm_campaign=miltoday

    Source: Russian Air Force Buys 230 Prop-Driven Trainer Airplanes

    4 October 2018 17:13 Rubric: Russia, Future

    The Russian Defense Ministry is going to procure 230 propeller-driven training airplanes for military pilot cadets, an informed insider from aircraft industry told Mil.Press Today.

    "The military agency is about to buy 230 propeller planes for primary training of pilots. It is not specified what exactly planes are in question though. Defense minister Sergey Shoigu has signed the corresponding document", explained the source in the interview to Mil.Press Today.

    According to the interviewee, this issue will be clarified after completion of state trials of Yak-152, and the only competitor for the contract will be Austrian plane Diamond DART-550.
    Honored pilot of Russia, General Alexander Akhlyustin believes Yak-152 has more chances to win the tender. "It is just the kind of plane (Yak-152 – editor’s remark) that pilots need for basic training. Without extra frills, the main thing is that cadets develop tactile perception of airplane control, can rapidly make decisions as of speed, altitude and flight course", he said.
    In May 2018, press service of Ural Works of Civil Aviation (UWCA) told Mil.Press Today that the company would not deliver Diamond DA42Т airplanes to the Russian Airspace Force.

    For reference

    The primary trainer airplane Yak-152 performed the maiden flight on September 29, 2016. In spring 2018 it was reported about localization of the aircraft engine. Production of the German powerplant RED-A03T was delegated to a company named Russo-Balt. Earlier, Mil.Press Today reported that Yak-152 was tested in critical flight conditions.

    After training course on Yak-152, pilots will continue practice on Yak-130. Thanks to similar avionics, cockpit ergonomics and indication, the perspective airplane integrates into the two-stage pilot training system, following with the more sophisticated operational trainer Yak-130.

    Turboprop airplanes Diamond DART-550 are designed by Austrian Diamond Aircraft Industries for basic training in flight schools. The key difference of DART-550 from the previously built two flight prototypes DART-450 is the turboprop engine General Electric GE H75-100. Max takeoff weight of DART-550 is 2,400 kg, max speed near ground is 460 kph, max endurance is 8 hours.

    This new also likely means that the MiG-AT has been also ruled out as basic trainer.

    To note the reference to the training system in 2 stages: basic and advanced.
    Suspect To tell the truth they are talking bout primary trainer i.e. the very first one plane someone flight on, basic and advanced training are way different ones.

    This was the previous reference to the MiG-AT being considered as basic trainer aircraft.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3255479.html
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    Russian Ministry of Defense again shows interest in MiG-AT aircraft

    As reported on June 29, 2018 by the TASS agency, the MiG-AT training aircraft, created in the early 1990s, may begin to be supplied again to the Russian Ministry of Defense.  This was announced on Friday by the general designer - Sergey Korotkov, vice-president of the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC).  

    The second flight prototype of a MiG-AT combat trainer (tail number "83 red") with an AL-55I engine installed in the left-hand nacelle, 2008 (c) Marina Lystseva

    "The Defense Ministry is considering the possibility of using this aircraft as a base for basic training. There are no old aircraft, there are aircraft resource indicators," he said.

    In turn, the head of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security, Viktor Bondarev, clarified in an interview with TASS that the proposed date for resuming production of this aircraft is 2023.  “The point is that this aircraft could start entering the aviation units in 2023,” the senator explained, noting that the existing reserve under the MiG-AT program could accelerate its renewal.

    MiG-AT is a basic training aircraft of uniform training.  It can be used for combat use of unguided weapons for land and sea targets.  MiG-AT yielded Yaku-130 in the tender for the selection of the main combat training aircraft of the Russian Air Force, after which in 2010 the work on it was curtailed.


    In turn, the agency RIA Novosti literally quotes the following statement by Sergei Korotkov: “The Ministry of Defense today set itself the task of considering the possibility of mass production (MiG-AT). First, the test behavior and commissioning to the customer. For three years everything, i.e. serial products are being produced, we are committed to this. "

    Taking into account the current new, that says the alone competitor of the Yak-152 would be the Diamond DART-550, this option for the MiG-AT seems also ruled out.
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    Post  eehnie on Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:49 am

    Looking at the reserve of conceptually modern auxiliary aircrafts it is possible to see how Russia would be able to afford the total decommission of the An-22, the Mi-6/10/22 and all the conceptually outdated aircrafts:

    An-72/71/74 (actually small number of units in the reserve)
    An-24/26/30/32 (actually important number of units in the reserve)

    L-410 (actually important number of units in the reserve)
    An-148/158/178 (actually no reserve)
    An-140 (actually no reserve)
    An-2/4/6 (actually important number of units in the reserve)
    L-39 (actually no reserve).

    Mi-6/10/22 (actually reserve exhausted, out of active service and pending total decommission)
    An-22 (actually reserve exhausted)

    The use of the units of these models is being priorized in order to keep longer the mechanical reserve of other models conceptually more modern, delaying its exhaustion.

    The consequence is to accelerate instead the total exhaustion and decommission of the cited models. In the short-term, it means repair works for the return to active service of all the recoverable units. In the mid-term, it means fast decline in the number of units, until the total decommission.

    At this point, the Russian Armed Forces finished not still the process of reduction of the fleet of auxiliary aircrafts after the end of the Soviet Union. Russia can absorb the total decommission of all these models, only with a reduction of the reserve fleet of auxiliary aircrafts of the Russian Armed Forces. In the short term, it means lower use of the conceptually modern models, even increasing the number of units in the reserve. In the mid-term, it means repair works for the return to active service of the necessary number of units to absorb the decline in the numbers of the conceptually outdated models and its total decommission by 2025 for the models marked in pink and by 2030 in the models in black.

    The rythm of production of new auxiliary aircrafts only will increase in the late 2020s, when more of the new models become available.
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    Post  franco on Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:39 pm

    Aircraft Diamond DA42T in Balashov

    An interesting video (better to watch without sound), demonstrating the new DA42T light training aircraft at the Balashov Aviation Training Center of the Krasnodar Higher Military Aviation Pilot School (KVVAUL) named after the Hero of the Soviet Union AK Serova (Balashov, Saratov region). Airplanes should be used at the Balashov Center KVVAUL for training military transport aviation cadets (after training at the DA42T it is planned to conduct the training phase on the An-26 aircraft).

    Recall that the DA42T aircraft is a modification of the light twin-engined four-seater Diamond DA42 NG Twin Star aircraft manufactured by Austrian company Diamond Aircraft Industries GmbH for use as training aircraft for the training of cadets of the military transport aviation of the Russian Aviation. The assembly of the DA42T aircraft for the Ministry of Defense of Russia was organized at the Ural Civil Aviation Plant (UZGA) in Yekaterinburg. DA42 NG aircraft are equipped with Austro Engine AE 300 diesel engines manufactured by Austro Engine, owned by the same Diamond Aircraft.

    The question of acquiring the Diamond DA42 NG aircraft by the Ministry of Defense of Russia as a training was raised in 2010-2011. In 2013, UZGA received a contract from the Ministry of Defense for the creation of a specialized training option for the DA42 NG, designated DA42T. Earlier it was reported that the assembly of DA42T at UZGA was supposed to start in 2015, and in 2016 it was planned to achieve their localization level of supposedly 100%. However, in fact, the assembly of these machines for the Ministry of Defense was launched only in 2017, when in December the company passed the first three DA42T aircraft with tail numbers "051", "052" and "053", which were apparently used for the State tests that were planned complete in 2018.

    The then Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia, Yuri Borisov, said when visiting UZGA in December 2017 that these three aircraft were the first DA42T, handed over under a contract with the Ministry of Defense for 35 cars. Another 17 aircraft planned to pass in 2018, and 15 - in 2019. The deliveries of the aircraft DA42T in 2018 were not reported anywhere, which, apparently, is connected with the political sensitivity of this issue for the Austrian manufacturer. Apparently, all cars assembled in 2018 and 2019 are intended for delivery to the Balashov Center KVVAUL.

    Let us point out that UZGA also participates in the development of manned and unmanned observation platforms on the basis of the DA42 aircraft (such platforms based on the DA42 are widely popular all over the world). In 2016, the FSB of Russia purchased from the UZGA two DA42M NG aircraft with additional equipment for use in the reconnaissance version “for state needs”. Now the Russian Ministry of Defense is also showing interest in such complexes based on DA42 NG. It should be noted that such aircraft are widely used as a kind of replacement of long-range UAVs that are so far inaccessible to many operators, and as such, apparently, the Russian Armed Forces are interested.
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    Post  eehnie on Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:58 am

    Contradictory with the previous new. For me the reference to the press service of the company seems legit.

    eehnie wrote:The delivery of Diamond DA42 trainer, seems cancelled. Very likely the aircraft failed in the military tests, as consequence the aircraft would not be adopted, and the 3 units used for testing, previously reported as delivered, would be out of the Russian Armed Forces.

    http://mil.today/2018/23182/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=rss&utm_campaign=miltoday

    In May 2018, press service of Ural Works of Civil Aviation (UWCA) told Mil.Press Today that the company would not deliver Diamond DA42Т airplanes to the Russian Airspace Force.


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